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So I played this matchup a decent amount during my most recent Round 1 visit. First impressions are that this may be one of, if not the worst matchup for Rachel in this version. My reasoning for this is entirely due to how much of a struggle neutral felt like. Rachel is more zoning focused in BBCF, but the length of Nine's normals combined with pretty decent startup time on them really seems to shut down Rachel's options. At slightly further than short all the way to medium-far distance, Nine has a variety of ways to counterhit Rachel if she makes an attempt to summon frog or shoot lobelias. If Rachel jumps, Nine's jump normals are also extremely long, which doesn't bode well for Rachel with some of the shorter air normals in the game. It seems like the only time you can get something going is If you are at full screen. Then you can sometimes summon something if Nine doesn't have a spell lets her easily punish it, such as rock (her go-to). edit: forgot to mention, wind tech seems pretty good vs Nine. Anyone have advice? Maybe I'm approaching this matchup the wrong way...

~5cc 6c j.c j.236c 5b 6a 4b 5cc has been pretty stable for me from normal starters if fully cornered. It's nice that we do have a windless route at least. Short starters have been hit or miss for me. I find them teching between 6a 4b from some short starters. Anyone have ideas? Maybe just 5b (6a) 236a ender?

Do we have a way to capture any direct footage from the arcade cab?

I am not getting to play much due to long lines, but I'll go ahead and start an observations post: -It seems like 6b is required after 5b in order to make 5cc combo in many situations. -it feels like 5cc combos from further distances -j.2c is a short starter overhead, but you need to wind it to be in range for a combo after. J.3d 5b combos, but you can't 5c after. You probably need 6b between. -j.3d j.2c > 5cc 6c j.c j.236c 5b combos. I haven't figured out what to do from there yet, as it seems you can't do the whole 5b 6a 4b thing due to the short starter. I didn't get to test 6a>air dash routes unfortunately.

I still have yet to see any windless & meterless corner combos :(. All of them involve 5cdc or 5cc>CT. I'm going to Round 1 tonight, anything have specific things they want tested?

Has anyone seen any meterless+windless corner followups to 5cc yet? Feels so bad to have to spend crush trigger or 1 wind to get a corner combo.

I thought the TD trajectory change was reverted in the last loketest?

It looks like he shot a lobelia before the video started and used upward wind it to make it take longer to fall. Also, if you have a longer overdrive the combo breaks because 6c jump cancels when you try to use 8d. Looks like the opposite of practical to me.

This looks quite useful if you have ghosts at low HP you'd like to "heal up" safely while creating space.

I'm planning on showing up to this on the 5th. If anyone wants to play BB casuals with me, that would be neat!

Yep, that'll work on almost everyone.

It also means CT becomes all but unusable for Rachel on a minimal charge outside of frog/pumpkin. She could barely dash 5b in time with the current one.

You have to do 5c frog 8d (dash) chair now in Extend. Make sure to do the 8d sufficiently late. If you don't have wind you can just do frog 3c because 3c SMP is gone.

if you think $10 is too much, how about $5 with food/drink sold on site to supplement funds? Think like a Costco run + pizza order then drinks from a cooler and pizza by the slice.

Corner roll catch combo that doesn't use wind (for when pumpkin or nothing is summoned): 2a 5b 6a delay 236a 5b 6a 4b 5cc You may need to dash or walk forward slightly after 236a or 4b depending on spacing.

I really want to to go to this but literally every single person who was going to ride with me all bailed last minute. Anyone want to go who is on the way to Irvine from Ventura? I'll split gas...

Is anyone showing up very early (Tuesday/Wednesday) to Evo and in need of somewhere to stay on the cheap for those nights? I'm thinking about booking a room at a nearby resort for Tuesday and Wednesday. Comfortably sleeps 4. edit: link to description https://www.worldmarktheclub.com/resorts/tp/ The common areas are large with plenty of room for setups. Nevermind, I found somewhere else to stay.

That must be expensive. I can't speak for everyone but a small venue fee sounds reasonable to me.

I'll be there with what's currently looking like 4 total players from Santa Barbara and Ventura counties.

I've found that if you don't have the 25% meter or 1 wind to spend, CH 6b iad j.b j.c dash 6a (max delay) 236a gives you the best chance of continuing the combo. edit: I did some work trying to optimize combos and this is what I got. I'll post videos sometime later: 4b starter far from corner: 4b 5c 5d 6c j.c(10hits) JC slight delay j.236c land microdash 5b 6a 236a dash 3c(1-3) iris dash 5cc 3050-3162 damage carries almost full corner to corner for 1 wind For near the corner I'll post two routes. I prefer to go with the 236b route because I don't have to worry about messing up TK iris 4b 5c 5d 6c j.c slight delay 5b 6a 236b 5b 6a delay 236a 5cc 3143 damage 4b 5c 5d 6c j.c j.236c 5b 6a tk iris 6a delay 236a 5cc 3149 damage You can also do 3c iris 5cc as an ender. Up to you if you'd prefer a pole out or a little more wind regen time. Corner 3c starter. triple lobelia: 3c 8d/iris 6a JC delay j.c delay j.236c 5b j.c slight delay j.236b 5b 6a delay 236a 6a 4b 5cc ~3000 damage

I'm probably delaying j.b without thinking about it.

Yeah j.2d slight delay j.a j.b works well in netplay for me. No delay between j.a j.b and I'm able to hitconfirm fine in 2+ bar connections.

If you want it to combo directly to 5c, you aren't delaying the j.b, but rather the j.a. The j.b is immediately after and you need to hitconfirm by that point. If you hit, you do land 5cc. If they blocked, your primary two mixup options are to go for double jump j.b or land 2b.

For fatal combos and some other situations you are using j.236b as the extra lobelia.

I made up an RC combo for windless situations. It's better to just go into 3c BBL instead though, thanks to the new vacuum properties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weXgnlUj6wI 5b 5c 3c(3) 236a RC dash 6a tk.214c dash 6a 4b 5cc 2746 damage Made something better already with SWD's help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0BV4aUXtKk 5b 5c 3c(3) BBL 214a dash 3c(3) 236b (frog hits) dash 6a tk.214c dash 6a 4b 5cc 3427 damage edit: back with more combos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_L6fDcOXGs For late in the combo when you use 5c6cd to corner: 2b 5b 6b j.3d j.b j.c 5b 5c 6cd j.c JC j.236c 5b 6a 236a 6a 4b 5cc 2829 damage And for midscreen: (video later) 2b 5b 6a j.3d j.b j.c 5b 5c 6cd j.c dash 6a 4b dash 6a 236a dash 3c 214c dash 5cc 2786 damage Haven't found anything to get double lobelia in the corner after this starter yet.