Dragkonias

Oh no, with 6A even worse what will become of all my leet 6A setups like the patented "Did he just use 6A, what the hell!?" mixup?

Some other changes posted by that Eirei guy in the loketest thread. + 6A can't be punished (unless you IB). Will combo into 5C on CH. + 623C has more untech time, unairtechable from a ground hit. Can still combo. + Less proration on forward throw's third hit. - 5C has less range. - 2D is slower. - More proration on back throw. Don't know how I feel about 5C having less range or 2D being slower. Depends on how much they were changed. 623C having more untech time? Does that mean we've got the CT violent ice counter combo back?

How much longer are the loketests suppose to last anyway?

Really. I mean, I'm a Jin player and I still think CT was borked. Can't say I speak for everyone of course.

Yeah. Nerfing 6A isn't a big deal, since it already sucked.

Yeah...not to mention 2D hits in a far tighter space than 5D and is far easier to avoid. And a whiffed 2D leaves you in a very bad position, so...no.

Yeah. I can't count on my hands the number of times I would reactively use 5D to try and punish only to have it not work out because the attack is so slow. If it is faster that's a plus.

Yeah. Most of Jin's changes so far have been pretty reasonable and will make him better without outright breaking him. But Jin was always a pretty solid character. Still needs a decent overhead though.

I don't think anyone said it was a nerf.

Yeah. Not to mention you have to remember it does go both ways. People still need practice with him, but people still need practice against him too. Who knows how he'll balance out once his shenanigans are properly understood.

Well, all that Sekkajin change means is that the combos will be easier to land. I can't really see it as too much of a buff. Though like someone said earlier the fact that Jin has gotten nothing but buffs so far means a least they probably won't be taking anything away.

I'm still wondering if the opponent will stay frozen long enough to dash cancel 5D into 5C. Though if 5D is faster, the recovery will probably be a bit better, so you may still be able too.

Yeah. If it still I'll simply be happy to have a good poke back in. Punishing bad IADs with 5D was one of my main things in CT.

Of the changes I've heard so far I think making 214B knockdown and having a faster 5D are the most important ones(and the ones I hope they keep). Also, I agree about 5D being special cancellable again. But at this point I'll take anything we can get.

What would you guys suggest for good pressure game. I'm still trying to get used to CS Jin and I've been playing him a lot like CT Jin and that has been causing me some grief. All the moves I used to use for pressure are either not very safe or have pretty crappy hitboxes, so I'm trying to get some suggestions to get a better handle on things.

Yeah, that's what I meant.

You know...I only ever played GGX2, Isuka, and Accent Core. Always played Ky though and I'm wondering what in Slash made him OP?

I'm hoping that his B Icecar leaves your opponent stunned long enough to get a combo started from it...or at least a block string. That would be an improvement.

Oh, I'm not saying he didn't have good tools and I agree some things about him needed to change. I just think the nerfs have been excessive. But he is by no means a "win" button character. That's just talk scrubs use to compensate for their lack of skill. I mean if people think a character is so overpowered just do what SF players do and have everyone maining Ryu, Akuma and Sagat. But people won't do that because when they start losing with Jin against Jins who actually know what they're doing they won't have any other scapegoat to blame their incompetence on.

Seriously please just stop. No one wants to hear how you can't win against Jin. Your problem not ours.

I'm just sighing at the C -> JB nerf. There goes both of Jin's major combos. I swear. Jin's getting nerfed harder than Nu...or Lamb is.