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ahhh yes dat juggle i definitely need to get some combo practice in for lilica before next weekend

FINISHED THAT DAMN PAPER. LIBERATION Even if frigid melts and can't host the next 3 weeks, I will definitely be hosting! Will have boombox/cookie over for small meetups after next week, too. Can't wait for BB/AH3 next weekend, and hopefully MBAA if denton comes down. Though, ronin, don't you have melty too? That may be a more fair fight than me versus the denton crew. ;p I'll play some marvel next weekend, too, but I don't think it's my type of game. I'll definitely enjoy watching it and seeing the metagame develop though. also hoping zreb eventually plays some so i can see mixtures of taskmaster/zero/dante/morrigan or something ;p How so? Is her + frames special feeling similar to tk dnails, or what? Transient, just FYI I'll be unavailable until after like 5:30 tomorrow, so return AH3 to me after. I hope you got some good use out of it.

I meant on block/whiff, but yes. that's a thing i recently learned in a dormammu combo video. <3 jump cancel cancels I heard a bunch of stuff about Jill being incomplete on the disc in terms of some moves sucking and others lacking sounds, so even if Shuma is very done, Jill may not be... Also mission mode I guess.

Wait..third strike had offline match replays? Man, that's nice. I wish blaz and stuff had that.

-throws, movesets, meter, etc. really..just..no. -marvel is a dumb game for a punch/kick dichotomy, period. moving from lk hk lp hp to l m h e is a harmless change, the only bitching that makes any sense with that is "why does E not have a crouching version and whatnot, and why is it not cancelable like other normals..?" -it's still hilarious whining, might as well say "this random character beasts this random character so hard unless you play for more than 5 minutes." there's virtually no way to please absolutely every low level "balance" complaint -i like how you transform "shallow" into "low production values" and not gameplay with little depth. good job just ignoring the word entirely i'm not saying the review doesn't have some decent points, the spectator thing alone shows this game was rushed, but it's still a laughable review to praise simple mode is for people who hate quartercircles but still wanna fuck around ~magical mystery~

>says kof12 had polished fighting >babbles about buttons >whines about getting beat by simple mode players, who literally have access to less than half of their characters' moves >calls mvc3 shallow shortly after calling ssf4 great no

you do realize that he said "you have to spend resources to break your character" and that slayer video is a 100% meter combo right

shuma > cammy and i like cammy a lot, but this game is more fit for shuma also http://www.capcom-unity.com/marvelvscapcom/go/thread/view/102977/27076341/DLC_Polls_Round_2

mmmmaybe @ austin i found some good morrigan info and stuff on the character subforums~

Even the character forums? I found some good morrigan/ironman shit under those, I think. Also, maybe we can do a weekday meetup on spring break?

look what zreb did here it comes are you ready? ok

so you vented random steam at us that has nothing to do with this convseration so you confirmed that u mad cool -this is a dream match, it's supposed to be about taking characters from all over the place and making them fit, like how GG takes characters with extremely different playstyles and makes them relatively balanced against one another, and naturally capcom fans will want phoenix -i have no idea how phoenix would work either but anyone with a brain would much rather see capcom try that than add something we've already seen before and does nothing for the gameplay and only satisfies some random angry ken fanboy -Everyone knows that Ken is more rushdown oriented than Ryu. Nobody gives a shit because they are THINKING ABOUT HIM IN A MVC GAME AND NOT AN SF GAME. Ryu has high damage in mvc3, they could give him frametraps(or maybe he already has these!), ken would have to have a command grab to have a kara throw since mvc3 has 1 button throws(or give it to ryu to not waste a slot on ken), they could give ryu more rushdown tools. Or akuma. KEN HAS NOTHING THAT COULDN'T BE EASILY ADDED TO THOSE TWO CHARACTERS. HE BRINGS NOTHING TO THE TABLE. -THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RYU AND KEN ARE TINY IN THE CONTEXT OF MVC3. -Ken would probably be weak as shit like ryu, especially if all he has are a few frametraps and a kara throw. -none of us brought up phoenix wright in competition with ken -Please point out throw away fanservice characters in MvC3. The only one appears to be ryu, everyone else seems strong and interesting. -You still haven't justified your random accusations of UR JUST MAD BECUZ HEL BE CHEAP and you STILL HAVENT JUSTIFIED PUTTING HIM IN OVER SOMEONE LIKE STRIDER. In short, you only care about fanservice because you blindly want ken even though his gameplay contribution would be miniscule compared to other choices, including choices of strong, unincluded characters from marvel 2. You just want to waste a slot on your favorite because you think he's cool even though his significant differences in sf4 would be tiny in mvc3 and would contribute much less to team building and the breadth of gameplay than other choices like Cable.

lmao you are just a gold mine Somehow I knew you'd throw out a random, new accusation. This time it's that we just hate shotos just because they're related to SF/Capcom. Let's examine the facts, since you appear to be completely incapable of doing that yourself: -I bought SSF4 and like Juri, Dhalsim, and other characters in it. I would even like to see Juri adapted to MvC3. -I think MvC3 is interesting though I don't intend on maining it because it is too nuts for me, as seen by the fact that AG is fucking strong only so that people don't get completely run over. I like the cast a lot, though I was hoping trish would be more "developed" as a testament-esque character.... -Neo likes SF3 -I like vampire savior a lot And then we have this random attempt to be arbitrarily rebellious against the popular understanding that SRK hosts to a huge amount of retards, simply because you want to vent your anger on random accusations. Let's compare what you've seen recently in this thread: -Don't want a cast bogged down by characters that bring nothing to the table, don't advance the genre, and we have seen many times before in games -Possibly skeptical of capcom games ....to common SRK comments: -lol airdashers are broken and are all rushdown -lol melty blood is such a gay pedo game even though there's only 2 lolis and one is not even remotely sexualized and all the other girls are like 17-20+ -OMG, Umineko Ougon has panty shots, a maid with big tits, and a grope super that can be used on guys! Fucking gay hentai pervent pedo game is only good for fapping, i'm going to go play my game with Sakura and Viper that zooms in on Juri and Cammy's asses. -KOF? That's not capcom. fucking shitty broken ripoff game -nobody cares about bb or gg where's my sf -tekken is all juggles!! Why yes, not wanting a shoto when you have advanced LITERALLY NO VALID REASON for having that shoto clearly just shows we're close minded Capcom haters. But really, none of that isn't as hilarious as how you haven't: -justified picking ken over a character who was ACTUALLY STRONG AND INTERESTING IN MVC2, especially considering your concern over a new choice being potentially weak -justified your claim that ken would definitely be strong even though he's rarely strong AND WAS LOW TIER IN MVC2 AS YOU POINTED OUT -justified why anyone would give a shit about ken's strong DP assist or about his gameplay in general when applied to mvc3, especially since you supposedly care about gameplay so much -justified your random accusations that i don't want ken because he'd be "cheap" -justified your claim that newly designed characters are weak in mvc3 -justified your claim that "classic" characters are always strong and so should have precedence over new designs which will probably be weak, despite exceptions such as ryu in marvel 3, ken in marvel 2, guile in vanilla sf4, etc. -justified why having another shoto is more important than adding new designs that may advance the genre, create interesting matchups, and increase the diversity of the cast and interesting team combinations -proven that ken brings anything to the game in terms of gameplay over other characters like strider -justified at all how other characters like strider would be a wasted slot in ken's place Except he deserves disrespect because he is overused, is boring in the context of a Marvel game, would bring nothing to the game in terms of gameplay, and you have simply done nothing to back up your claims that he is a logical gameplay choice, so of course people are going to make fun of your nonsensical opinion even further. Also, look in the mirror. In conclusion, you're angry because other people don't like ken enough to waste a spot with him and you're flinging out a thinly veiled facade of reasons to try and justify your rage, followed by absolute nonsense because you have no substance whatsoever. In before you make another post that responds with no logic whatsoever to this and just throws a new accusation at me. How about you wrap this up instead: "I'm sorry for bullshitting like my subjective desires meant anything to anyone else, I just want ken in because I think he's cool and i really like how he says ORA ORA ORA ORA during that one ultra in SF4.

god damn, shit like this is why my ignore list on this site is so huge ok so, from the marvel thread, hecatom and i talking about that poll for capcom/marvel dlc charas: and then funkyp's brilliant responses to me, filled with non sequiturs and absolute disregard for any logic or consistency my response: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?9917-Marvel-vs-Capcom-3&p=952214&viewfull=1#post952214

afdslkhslfdkh what the fuck am i even reading? I love how you accuse someone of ignorance of MvC2, then go on to justify his theoretical inclusion just because he had a very strong DP assist. Surely having a strong DP assist, and being a strong shoto, is enough justification for not having actually interesting and strong characters who were much more significant to MvC2 than some low tier shoto. Those strengths aren't easily replicable with the others or anything. "Ken has always been strong in most the games hes been in"? What? Wasn't he midish in sf4 and ssf4, mid in sf2, and low tier as you said in mvc2? It seems to me that the only game he was strong in was sf3. And what's this random point accusing be of not wanting him because he's cheap? What's the matter, genuinely upset for getting hatemail while playing online on SF4? Apparently so much so that you have to get defensive about a character who brings almost nothing to the table that Akuma/Ryu couldn't with a little more generousity with their movesets, so defensive that you then claim that not knowing why he should be in means someone doesn't know shit about Marvel, even though there's many, many more pivotal characters who aren't easily replaced by other characters. In response to your random, desperate accusation, I don't give a shit if more "cheap" characters are added to this game, but it'd be more interesting for it to have something we haven't seen before to advance what the genre has done, as opposed to adding a character simply because he was "strong" relative to other low tiers once. Even more sheer brilliance here. We've moved from random accusations of "u just dont want him because ur scared he'll be cheap" to some babbling about how if a character isnt something that has clearly been done before, then capcom will fail to balance the character and they will be noncompetitive. Why yes, it is absolutely brilliant to think of MvC3 as a game where the characters should all be something that has been done before so that we don't get any surprises or unexpected balance issues. Because if a character with very strong command grabs isn't given the tools to compete, then clearly we should just not bother with having diverse casts with differing movesets ever again, especially in a Marvel Game! It's not like guile was weak in SF4 vanilla, or other exceptions to this baffling "done=strong undone=worthlessly weak". Nope. Don't include new characters in a game that 's supposed to be wild over characters that gain very few interesting attributes from being in a marvel game, they might be too weak! Anyway, nothing you said make sense, you're just a ken fanboy. I mean, seriously, "he should be in instead of other MvC2 characters because he had a strong SRK assist and was a good shoto," even though either of the two shotos in this game could have his properties. "He should be in this over new characters because those characters will probably be too weak." Nice premature tier list for characters like x-23, Amaterasu, Dante, etc. >actual gameplay >wants another character whose gameplay we have already experienced before several times, even in games like this, over a character who could advance the genre or at least bring back certain awesome shit from mvc2 >nonuseable characters, as if the non-shotos of the game are weaker than the shotos, or as if ken wasn't low tier in mvc2 yo i heard ryu was strong in dis game and that ken would bring anything significant in terms of gameplay or aesthetics your desires for a shitty, weak character totally outweigh desires for a strong, interesting character like strider. and i love how you complain about the marvel characters being all the same and just..yes, ironman, x-23, dormammu, taskmaster, deadpool, skrull, and phoenix are all so similar and much less interesting than ken. Honestly, by your logic, you should be happy that there are few SF characters in MvC3, since it takes a lot more effort to make an SF character viable and interesting in a Marvel game than to make a new character viable, or make a strong MvC2 character viable in 3. I mean, damn, really, none f this makes sense. You're arguing that a new character, possibly with strengths fitting for a marvel game, would inherently be non-competitive compared to a character simply not wild enough for marvel and was low tier in the last game, and brings absolutely nothing to the game that other shotos couldn't.

people who have no real conception of airdashers/marvel itself and are just interested because they're capcom fanboys

you don't need to, i won't really have time for it till sunday, thus i said sunday. you'd make better use of it.

haha dante can combo into his j.236b and then into j.c j.e. OTG WITH 623A IN CORNER FOR MAXIMUM STYLE also i like that he can charge his j.236b and it ends up with a huge stagger also apparently tsubaki has an airthrow-glide like carl and litchi, didn't know that! platinum does too, but hammer only. i played zreb on blaz online today for about 30 minutes. i astral'd him, but he also perfected me once. lastly homework is a bitch. especially suddenly added homework transient is borrowing my copy of ah3 till sunday since his still hasn't arrived(but yesasia is reshipping it) good thing i have marvel 3 here rented for when i want to fuck around in training mode before bed...

the mystery of whether frigid is hosting or not also more things about the ah3 frame data i forgot to mention: -fucking..flower arcana's projectils is +36. 36 frame startup too though, haha. -i did not realize magnetism's suction super was +12 on block! EF cancel could make it more like +20 too. -plant's vines are just godlike. fucking godlike. also, looks like morrigan and x-23 get great speed boosts and ironman does over double damage with level 3 xfactor. i win the x-factor game, hahahaha. messed with marvel for about 30-40 minutes. looks like x-23 has nice fuzzy guard setups into 50% life(or more pressure~) with 1 meter.

A BUNCH OF FRAME DATA IS UP FOR AH3~ http://arcana.mizuumi.net/wiki/Frame_Data Has almost-full(a few of these lack things like noting special properties of moves, and petra's lacks frame advantage, and cath's is pretty barebones) frame data for Catherine, Elsa, Fiona, Kamui, Kira, Maori, Petra, Nazuna, Saki, Scharlachrot, Weiß, and Yoriko, as well as Flower, magnetism, Plant, and Water. (Also, it seems the frame data notes air unblockability by listing it as blockable only on "St/Cr", as opposed to saying it in the notes.) Looks like within, say, a month, all frame data will be up. Interesting notes: -Goddamn, clarice. Her 5e is +2 on block. I knew that move recovered surprisingly fast. Her unheld slashes are only -1 on the ground(-7 in air..) and only have 9 frame startup. Her held slashes are 30 frames and are +20!!!(+27 in the air) Her 28 slash is +6/+27 on block, interesting. -Clarice's 421A has brief upper body invuln. This also says it has 3 frame startup, but I dont believe that. 421B and C are +23/+19 on block, and C is invuln to throws from frame 1. B version has a large reflect window...? -Clarice's dives have brief invuln and are +1/-1/+1 on block. -Elsa's normals are almost all betwen -2 and +1. -Kamui's 2c is only -1, and her 1E is +1. DEM SWEEPS -Kamui's charged up 41236 is not only quicker startup, but +frames instead of very bad - frames. -Kamui's [4]6C is a whopping +16 on block, for only 20 frame startup. Her moriya slashes are +6/6/7 on block. B is air unblockable. -Kamui's parry is active from frames 1-14, except for the air version, which is 1-9. -Kamui's air overhead special is throw invuln from frames 1-7/1-5/1-5. Interesting. -Kira's 2c is -7, less than i expected.. Probably nice with her hugo clap, which is -2/+3/+6 and interestingly, has low invuln and thrown invuln at quite different frames depending on which version you use. Unclashable, too. -I'm going to figure out how to fuck maori up when I understand her and her frame data, lmao. -Nazuna's 623A is +3, 623C has some invinc. -Saki's 5c is actually airborne from frames 2-13..anti-throw? -Saki's [4]6 has lower body invuln during a portion of the active frames. Slightly + frames, too. -Saki's [2]8 is quite different regarding invincibility and startup depending on a/b/c. -Saki's [8]2 is immediately throw and low invuln, but the low invuln goes away until frame 8-25, unless i'm reading this wrong. -You can cancel saki's 30 frame roll into homing/EFC after frame 18..?! -Weiß's sword release is guaranteed after 6f. -Yoriko's 236 specials have a bunch of invinc when powered up. -A lot of fiona's normals/specials are - frames as fuck, but her "drill" special is +2/+5/+5. Still, I suspect she benefits a lot from having arcana that help her get meter for homing/super cancels for her specials. -Fiona's uncharged 5e has 11 active frames. So, landed as a last-frame meaty, it's probably like +6. Also, that move only takes 27 frames to fully charge. also i just realized in my last post i typed "j.h 2a" instead of "j.h 2l" or "j.c 2a" jesus fuck. Is that level 1 x-factor dormammu, or..? Man, this game tests how much I enjoy chip damage, lmao. similar to umineko testing much I like guard breaks. Yeah, I saw Clakey D doing the morrigan astral vision soul fist "container" stuff. That was amazing. Is the FM vid up on youtube? i laugh at the fact that they put ryu in the game alongside morrigan when it looks like all he has is tatsu A, hadou super, and easier damage over her Yeah, I understand the sentiment/agree regarding sentinel. On one hand I definitely enjoy fucking around with the game and teambuilding, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure this game is simply too crazy for me. I'll decide if I'll actually buy it in about 2-3 weeks I suppose. ALSO FRIGID Are you hosting this week?

I see, I assume it only works on standing? I feel like they must've rushed the game out the door since there's not even a goddamn spectator mode or other things that SF4 had. Jesus, even if they're AGing? What super? I don't think the damage increases that x-factor gives is really a big deal. If combos keep developing as they do, x-factor will only mean dying in one combo for sure, as opposed to possibly dying in one combo but probably two. Sentinel can already do 80% life iirc off B E jb jc je OTG super. I can definitely see what you mean with Wesker and speed increases, though. Enough of a speed increase+already good teleport=Babby's First Unreactable Mixup into 100% damage. It seems to me that how retarded x-factor level 3 is depends on who's using it, like whether it's spencer only getting 15% speed and 90% damage increase, or x-23 getting 45/45, or whatever. A damage increase does make random super a rather large threat against your advantage of having assists, though. Also, level 3 lasts too goddamn long, especially for those stat bonuses. also apparently zero can activate his install and do j.h 2a for a really easy unblockable, plus he rapes advance guard anyway

Getting significantly more fond of MvC3, but still need offline play to really see how thoroughly i enjoy it. Sadly, won't get that this week, won't be able to host or attend this week, but the next 3 weeks after this week will all have meetups. GET HYPE! ..or get hype a week and a half from now. ;p Frigid, you hosting saturday? Should I text people etc or will you do it, given numbers and what not? I learned how to do j.33 consistently as iron man, then found out I can just j.3AB. A lot easier. oh well. X-23 can stance cancel with 214A~S to make shit + frames as fuck on block. So gooood. My teams in mind/reserve all have morrigan, likely have x-23 or ironman, and possibly have dormammu/sentinel. Heavily considering trish now due to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRGK_8QCZA&feature=player_embedded . I should mess with evil arcana and water arcana more. That'll probably come next week when my college load reduces. Might grab http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/21/grab-a-hori-xbox-360-fight-stick-with-tekken-6-for-30-at-best-b/ because a spare 360 stick might be useful, and hey, tekken. ahaha, alright. i'll get that to you this weekend. last weekend ended up too busy. ahaha yess. x-factor is pretty interesting. i feel like it's a lot more fair and interesting than ultras, though i guess i can see some people's frustration with being "randomed" out by a lvl 3 KFC sentinel/dark phoenix, but the latter requires the other team to play at a disadvantage for a while, and the former seems to me like it really wont be that bad after people get used to it. by infinite do we mean "prorates so bad it's a time out infinite" or "100%" infinite if the latter, eh if the former, that's pretty obnoxious

except it doesnt it's been proven before that dark phoenix can block ASAP, checked with ryu's super hadouken

the denton crew wants to play some marvel iirc btw frigid any other requests for your wesker avatar? still want it to be wesker? if i feel like there's room for another character in it, who would it be?

aren't cookie and danni coming also i really hate how marvel doesnt just fucking zoom out when someone highjumps or whatever