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There's a ton of info on Waldstein in the matchup forum, would love more contributions!

I don't know how I overlooked this but 22A not only does 1.2k on hit, it converts to 3.5k on counter hit (d2B 2C j[C] etc)

Never mind, already obsoleted on 214C - 6AB 412B gives identical charge and better positioning.

The one from 214C is a big charge and the startup is non shield cancellable, giving me space to buffer. The second is pretty tight.

@Dacidbro: HNNNG I CAN ADD GRID CHARGE TO BNBS 214B 214C 5D~412B 6 5D~22B 66C 22B 66C 22C

All Matchups In pretty much every MU, Eltnum takes off when she controls 100 meter or vorpal - make sure to adjust your risk reward accordingly! (Ex. committing to 66C without vorpal is great reward but high risk; with vorpal, it's great reward -low- risk - similarly, 214B without meter is a great poke, but low reward; with meter, it's a great poke with -high- reward) "I've noticed that vorpal 5A 2C is amazing at catching backdashes. If you're opponent is really backdash happy, then you can use 5A 2C in vorpal as: 1) Backdash killer 2) Decent starter (3k in vorpal) 3) Still leaves many gatling options (5B, 2B, 3C, 5C, 2A) 4) A natural frame trap" ~stickystaines The other trump card is 5A CS, as a; 1) Backdash crusher 2) Beats all reversals, command grabs, etc 3) Counter hits mash, catches jump out 4) forces blockstun on block Literally beats all options, but the reward isn't as high as others and you spend CS. Still -very- worth it, frequently. WaldStein Yesterday, me and @MusclesMurphy (AKA sharkkato103) were practicing Eltnum VS Waldstein. Not seeing a significant advantage for either char, here's some notes; 66C is a strong poke for both, safety and practicality higher for Wal, reward higher for Elt (R&R w Vorpal is very good) Shielding the last move of Wal's string and using 236A or 236B can be great to get advantage or a KD, but Wal assault can high profile it Elt's anti airs are pretty bootleg. 236A/B to control space, 66C can be good for hard, early calls, d5B can beat assaults, typically shield or block As both characters, grab early grab often. If Elt isn't representing grab, the rest of the mix up is not effective enough. "I just recently played a lot of matches with my local Wald player and we noticed how useful Eltnum's DP and 214A/B are in this MU as well. At first I thso ought Eltnum's 3C could stuff his Assaults but Wald's air normals are so huge that it seemed like her DP was the only viable choice, however it has to be an early call out though since Wald's air normals can hit Eltnum out of DP. 214A/B can be useful at mid range but you have to pick your spots carefully." ~Ichipoo You can react to many of Waldstein's air options with 623B, it's a life saver. This might be obvious, but 623B is also a dragon punch. -use it on defense or die- (Range is very poor, so you have to either catch a normal or use it point blank) This -also- might be obvious, but -backdash is invulnerable too- so make sure to use it as well. 214B covers a great angle and distance, 214A seems to get crushed by most air options much more easily. As for 3C, it's surprisingly ineffective at neutral. early 66C covers the things it wants to much better. 66B j214A oki is savage in this MU, especially w vorpal near the corner. Beats all wald options other than reversal 623C to my understanding, confirms near corner if 66B hits, w CS if j214A hits It's also plus even on shield. If he green shields after 66B, j214A will whiff but you still have advantage. Chaos I would expect Eltnum is in a significant lead in this matchup. Be calm in lizard pressure, full screen there's no mix up. Relax and then 2B when you're sure you see the hole (5A and 2A will -not- hurt the lizard) Chaos' pink wall is a very powerful poke with CS, and a decent one without it, so be careful in that range. Control space with 236A/B, with meter confirm to 236C and also consider 5C 214B, 2C 5[C] 214B, 5[C] 214B, 214B in increasing range order. His AA is pretty good, so don't commit to assault too often. You should come out on top in footsies between 236A, 2C, 214B and the hard call 66C (esp w vorpal) Don't overcommit if he's set the lizard (lizard underground), he can release it on reaction for counter hits even if he blocks. (Updated on phone, formatting tmrw) Hilda At opening, you can use 236A, questionable risk reward but not poor. Her 5B is brutal, will beat all your dashing pokes at a run except early 2C which at that range loses to 2B. This is a challenging obstacle but it's literally Hilda's entire strength - if she keeps you out, she is permitted to live. 66C is a great poke if she keeps going to the air, but it loses to 5B, 3B and is horribly unsafe on block. 22A surprisingly good poke, but also loses to 5B 2B. Edit: training mode suggests predictable 5Bs can be beaten by jump back assault - needs further testing, might help a lot. 5B on whiff is reactably 2Cable, full combo with god hands or 2k+knockdown Remaining patient, then, is key. Avoid being frame trapped. If you can call out the charge up overhead, it's pre-emptively punishable with 214B and you get a knockdown (bonus points if you're in range for 214A and can hit the confirm). If you block it (and it -is- reactable, in a vacuum) she can high low afterwards on B release, not sure if reactable. So then, the focus at neutral is to avoid blocking when possible and don't get Chinese finger trapped until she has at least proven mix up. Every mix up (possible exception, orb feather knockdown >late high/low - I think this is just deadly. Be careful of when and where you tech off the ground) she has puts her in danger in this matchup, and a -lot- of it when Eltnum has meter. All distant pokes lose in risk reward to 214B 214C All point blank mix ups risk 412C for 4K (it may feel "scrubby" but you -have- to represent this option to tame her offense - this move is a major reason I picked this character, mixing her up is a hazard - timing is critical though, so if you're not getting paid you have a pattern or sloppy timing) Be willing to shield projectiles to steer grd in your favor. Controlling vorpal is always sub-goal #1 for Eltnum. Getting safe massive dmg on 66C with a backup plan of "CS > I'm in" is crazy. You don't need 5A CS in this matchup either, because she has no reversals (maybe super?) so only use that if you sniff a veil off and don't feel confident in your OSes (jabs recover before veil; 5A~5B 1)

Definitely - the other trump card is 5A CS, as a; 1) Backdash crusher 2) Beats all reversals, command grabs, etc 3) Counter hits mash, catches jump out 4) forces blockstun on block Literally beats all options, but the reward isn't as high as others and you spend CS. Still -very- worth it, frequently.

It's interesting, but I've more or less stopped research into it since it doesn't reset your normal string. I think purple bullets 5A/2A whiff 236A has a place though, since it's plus even if they block it and it -does- inspire a button. EDIT: Senaru makes liberal use of 22A, especially to meaty when opp back techs or has CS.

Personally, I've had no success with this method, 2C 22B works well for me. But, this does show there are multiple ways to do it, find the one that works best for you!

22B is indeed +8, shield can push it out in the corner though so it gets a little weird there. 5CC is +3, and they can't jump out if you did 5[C]C. Avoid the temptation to end on 22B frequently, you want those bullets for 6B 822B and 3C 822B or combos - it's also weaker than representing mental advantage on reverse beats, frequently. Be willing to use highly fluid and non-similar block strings, get used to pressing a whole bunch of different button strings or you'll lose advantage. EDIT: I forgot to mention it in this string of posts, but 66B j214A oki is savage in this MU, especially w vorpal near the corner. Beats all wald options other than reversal 623C to my understanding, confirms near corner if 66B hits, w CS if j214A hits It's also plus even on shield. If he green shields after 66B, j214A will whiff but you still have advantage. EDIT EDIT: Sidenote - these confirms seem highly optimal by this orange Eltnum, going to look into them as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bTjMHSq_lM#t=15m Seems like he uses this combo bc 3 hits gun is not the best starter and uses one wall bounce, and he didn't want to have to reload so he could go for a stronger mix up.

No, you're definitely right! You can react to many of Waldstein's air options with 623B, it's a life saver. EDIT: This might be obvious, but 623B is also a dragon punch. -use it on defense or die- (Range is very poor, so you have to either catch a normal or use it point blank) This -also- might be obvious, but -backdash is invulnerable too- so make sure to use it as well. 214B covers a great angle and distance, 214A seems to get crushed by most air options much more easily. As for 3C, it's surprisingly ineffective at neutral. early 66C covers the things it wants to much better. As for the 2C(1) 22B 66C, you need to make sure you get the dash and you want to hit deep on the first 66C - otherwise the second typically won't connect.

This video is great - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7xWYA_1FCM Typical routes are (pardon my shorthand, it'll get you going though): 3-4 hits > 2C 5[C] 412B 6 2C 22B 66C 22B 66C 22C 2B 2C j[C] jA whiff 5B 5[C] etc (66C) 3C j8[C] 9 falling jC 5[C] etc 214B 214C 412B 6 etc (not optimal) 214A 2B j[C] 5B 5[C] etc

It's worth noting that 236A/B seems to catch almost every other character's assaults better than Wald's - his assault gets -high- off the ground.

Eltnum VS WaldStein Yesterday, me and @MusclesMurphy were practicing Eltnum VS Waldstein. Not seeing a significant advantage for either char, here's some notes; 66C is a strong poke for both, safety and practicality higher for Wal, reward higher for Elt (R&R w Vorpal is very good) Shielding the last move of Wal's string and using 236A or 236B can be great to get advantage or a KD, but Wal assault can high profile it Elt's anti airs are pretty bootleg. 236A/B to control space, 66C can be good for hard, early calls, d5B can beat assaults, typically shield or block As both characters, grab early grab often. If Elt isn't representing grab, the rest of the mix up is not effective enough. As a general Eltnum tip, if they're teching grabs through shield (4/1AD) you can simply delay grab for GRD break - 5AD you'll need to make whiff or hit low

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I would much faster take the more skillful parallel if it existed, and in this case it does (And was clearly the intended version. The macro glitch is quite apparently not ArcSys' goal here judging from some of the results). Prioritizing the Arcade version's intent makes way more sense.

Okay, lets go step by step then. Should macros be banned if Justice glitch exists? Yes, because Justice's gameplay is clearly not balanced for that to exist and it makes the character very stupid. Should macros be banned if Justice glitch doesn't exist? Probably, because turbos have always been banned and this is doing more than a turbo does (for some characters), but an argument could at least be made that no one character is benefiting much more than others for it. Probably fair to add in that there will be disgruntled pad players as a result of the ban, so that's a con. Then we get into all your craziness about how execution doesn't matter. It's an irrelevant side topic, but if execution doesn't matter why aren't scripts allowed? I'll just program buttons on my stick to do my combos or difficult neutral game tricks for me, is that ok?

The entire point of this thread is that the glitch breaks the game on Justice Why would we stop talking about Justice

Are you seriously a person? This glitch is patently game breaking and you know it, shut up. my brief 2c would be the glitch needs to be banned somehow, either the glitch itself or by banning macros. One takes way more policing, so I would vote banning macros, but that does make some people's lives harder.

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Another fun one is 2C, since it's also +0, but her DP is strong enough that it is technically reactable at most ranges.