Ragna Critique and Self-Improvement Thread

[MashThat5A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aawBSHPD8

correct me where Im wrong

You never use 5C in neutral, and always went with 5B. There were a lot of places where a 5C could have punished your opponent for whiffing a move, but instead they got away with it because your 5B whiffed.

[KayEff]

you can punish a point-blank bubble with 5A. you can also use 5B since although it can only be punished with 5B on IB, it at least means free pressure.

[Gramas]

mhmh yes,your right,Im not used to whiff punish with moves that are slower than 7-8 frames.Maybe because I come from street fighter but in bb normals seems to have much more recovery time when whiffed

I use 5C in footsies but just as a poke,not as a whiff punisher

you can punish a point-blank bubble with 5A. you can also use 5B since although it can only be punished with 5B on IB, it at least means free pressure.

thats nice,I only knew I can punish a 3C on IB(even if she tries to cancell into bubble) using 5B..and to be honest I always do that in freeplay....but that was my first bb tournament

Platinum pressure seems to have a lot of holes if You know her

Nothing wrong with you, just optimize your combos and you're good to go.

See guys, weird stuff won't happen to an offline Ragna.

5B Ch anti air(LOL) into 5D(2) > ds 5C jc > j.C>BE>5D(2) etc dush under 3C I realy hope that would work because I knew that there was something wrong with that combo LOL

Some other combos were just dropped :/

Edited October 16, 2011 by Gramas

[Tong]

S'all good. More matches, less laggy but not perfect enough for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRoP5W8ZaA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmXDdL5o6f0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWNJesX4O4

[KayEff]

Should I upload my Ragna matches... nah. My Rags is just too terrible

we're all used to watching shitty ragnas, so why not

[Reamatsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmRuN9DjuqM&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beqHKLtDkSg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

First video against a Rachel and second against a Jin. Enjoy the matches or critique to your heart content, were all one big happy Bloodedge family coming from aniki. Representing white ragna day and night and an enjoyable BK combo in the second video.

[Tong]

Well, only watched the Jin match but he wasnt skilled as you it seems...

Here's some more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAfN7kQmxlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7qa1wrRNqI

[Reamatsu]

Video 1

Well placed 6b and plenty of 6d pressure. Tons of resets but I didn't see the potential in the Hakumen until the final round. You both didn't IB as much as thought and he can't yomi to Hakumen greatest potential. I was rooting for a 5k combo after the 6d on crouch but the DS screwed it all up (was 5c really the right choice after BE instead of going with a 5d (1) DS 3c xn).

Video 2

I hate to mention this but please finish your combos, maybe like twice I noticed attempts at resets but they got stuffed. Round 1 was victory stolen under your nose, 3:50 is a very unsafe approach but some people manage to wing it, probably should've dashed cancel after the first hit. Lol, that ending deserves props. Applying something that may have not worked but damn was it good when it hit, tetsu right there.

Shinsyn is an awesome Jin, he was just calling some very bad shots and I punished him for them. I have earlier fights through my channel with the person of us going back and forth.

ps- sorry for not being as specific like I used too with prior videos but extend is like around the corner (hopefully with the completion to shortly follow after). I just don't have it in me to give much of a damn about this Ragna.

[Reamatsu]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD--nAFsR4Q#t=03m02s

I wonder if my rush down nature is going to be the death of me. Doesn't seem to be doing me wrong so far, enjoy or critique till your hearts content. A video involving GGJ is involved a video before this one, feel free to help him out if you want to. I'll provide the link if necessary.

[Zeron_X25]

Maybe I'll record my match with Sahgren's Noel today. Just because of DbD lulz

[Tong]

Nothing wrong with rushing down. As long you maintain educated pressure and occasional guesses, that's the way you play Ragna. Dont get intimidated nor change your gameplay if you get countered, that's part of the game.

[Zeron_X25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB3_rBTk8wI

Connection with CA. Not bad I guess. Better than the one I had with Mash today ;__;

[KayEff]

0:03 - stop jumping everywhere, this ain't arcana heart or marvel

0:47 - no no no no why the fuck did you do that blood kain no no no no

0:50 - my point still stands >

2:07 - could've punished with 2C or 5D, or if you're baller enough, 214D

get your optimal combos down, it'll really help in the long run

[Zeron_X25]

1- I know. Being a Hazama main, it's hard to stay on the ground. I'll adjust to that.

2- I wanted to do the setup in a combo vid and do crossup DID > rapid gold burst but lag got me an empty jump and a DbD. lol

3- lol

4- I know. I panicked. So many times I was gonna 2C fatal but misread the recovery on the moves and didn't get anything for it at all or died cause I got counter hit.

By optimal combos you mean instead of 5D(2) CID, do 5C > DID stuff? Or... I dunno. I thought I was doing optimal stuff to my knowledge. I guess I have to look at the combo thread again. Although I'm quite sure that ID > 2C > stuff > 6A > TK Beliel Edge is optimal.

Well thanks.

edit: There http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzSL7mbcoI#t=7m37s

Edited November 21, 2011 by Zeron_X25

[Tong]

Didnt see any grave mistake but your constant jumping. But you main Hazama, can't be helped :8/:

[MashThat5A]

Some optimal combo stuff:

0:16 - Missed crouch confirm into 6C and instead whiffed a 2C

1:27 - Why punish with 2B(CH) instead of 5C(CH)>6C? Also, another crouch confirm fail.

2:21 -

Also, at 0:11 your Hazama is showing XD

[Zeron_X25]

Some optimal combo stuff:

0:16 - Missed crouch confirm into 6C and instead whiffed a 2C

1:27 - Why punish with 2B(CH) instead of 5C(CH)>6C? Also, another crouch confirm fail.

2:21 -

Also, at 0:11 your Hazama is showing XD

1- At first, I honestly thought I hit her standing when I hit 5B. Look again at the moment I hit her with 5B. Then muscle memory took over and I cancelled into 2C ;_;

2- I don't know.

3- Curse you 2C hitbox ; w ;

Also, I don't think that's what KF meant. These are hitconfirmings not combo optimization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvVTOiuU0M

Now here's a match from today. I only saved the first match of the set cause I kept mashing X and cancelling the save and Mash totally rage quit on me the last match

;__;

[MashThat5A]

Good hit confirming leads into combo optimization. You should know this because of relaunch stuff with Haz haha.

[Zeron_X25]

Good hit confirming leads into combo optimization. You should know this because of relaunch stuff with Haz haha.

Might be but when someone describes it, I think the first thing they would mention about hitconfirming is what you tried to do when you land a random hit. It's sorta different from getting a hit and doing the first few hits right but then going to a completely non optimal combo path.

[Reamatsu]

What's up with you wearing the white? Those are my colors. D: (J/K)

I can see how some bad habits may be apparant in your Ragna since you're a Hazama main but as the story goes, Ragna is a brain-dead character and shouldn't be difficult to pick-up. Give or take by watching some of our videos and ignoring some of the Combo Videos shennanigans you could possibly have a solid grasp of the character a like a week. Most of Ragna approach will come second nature because his approach is not as complex and pretty standard. I do wish some of your IB habits would've carried over unless that's something you don't do as a Hazama.

[Zeron_X25]

What's up with you wearing the white? Those are my colors. D: (J/K)

I can see how some bad habits may be apparant in your Ragna since you're a Hazama main but as the story goes, Ragna is a brain-dead character and shouldn't be difficult to pick-up. Give or take by watching some of our videos and ignoring some of the Combo Videos shennanigans you could possibly have a solid grasp of the character a like a week. Most of Ragna approach will come second nature because his approach is not as complex and pretty standard. I do wish some of your IB habits would've carried over unless that's something you don't do as a Hazama.

tbh I stole your colors. I steal mash colors when I'm playing ranked. But my color is actually the non-DLC pink color just FYI.

As for the IB thing. When I play Tager , I IB nearly 80% of the hits. Offline, I do Axis level IB believe it or not. However, in some connections (that might not be necessarily laggy for combos), the IB timing is completely off. Mash ended up being disconnected after the fourth match so you should get a picture. And Sahgren is from CA and we had a 1 bar (Although our connection was fantastic for how far away we are from each other). I also do IB as Hazama. Maybe you could look at some of my old Hazama matches. I appreciate the comments.

[KayEff]

one instance you got a random aerial 5B and were able to confirm it into 5D. you could've done dash 5B - 5D(1) - 214D after the dash cancel for better damage

[Reamatsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6u2iCmKjQ&feature=channel_video_title

Been a good minute since I last played Ragna since picking up another character to learn. This video is from Friday and a friendly gathering in raiza57 room. He bodied my new character one too many times I had to play with my old some but oh it pains me that I can't recall some of my next few attacks in some situations, it was too embarrassing. It clicked to me when playing Ragna today that I forgotten how to play the character effectively. Critique or watch to your heart content.

[KayEff]

it'd be reeeaaalllly nice if you'd learn optimal combos

[Tong]

Video 2

I hate to mention this but please finish your combos, maybe like twice I noticed attempts at resets but they got stuffed. Round 1 was victory stolen under your nose, 3:50 is a very unsafe approach but some people manage to wing it, probably should've dashed cancel after the first hit. Lol, that ending deserves props. Applying something that may have not worked but damn was it good when it hit, tetsu right there.

Werent resets >:

I'll never play with 2/Orange connection again, ever. Arakune has deceiving hitboxes too.