Urzakor Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 I just block 2d rather than trying to beat it out. FD pushes it out of range for any meaningful followup unless he it did it right in your face... The scary part about 2d isn't that he throws it out and u try to beat it when it does, but rather that he can cancel into 2d from a regular move that you just tried to sakura counter - so I figure stop spamming counters against sol and he'll stop spamming 2d against you. or Vipers, which is the response to the p counter if he's expecting it RK loses wakeup lvl3 ground missile against baiken. RK wins this matchup still because of his other strengths but at least his oki isn't as good against baiken. but u can say that about any char's oki >_>
Urzakor Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 I just block 2d rather than trying to beat it out. FD pushes it out of range for any meaningful followup unless he it did it right in your face... The scary part about 2d isn't that he throws it out and u try to beat it when it does, but rather that he can cancel into 2d from a regular move that you just tried to sakura counter - so I figure stop spamming counters against sol and he'll stop spamming 2d against you. or Vipers, which is the response to the p counter if he's expecting it RK loses wakeup lvl3 ground missile against baiken. RK wins this matchup still because of his other strengths but at least his oki isn't as good against baiken. but u can say that about any char's oki >_>
suru Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 Situational isn't a bad thing on its own, but you have to consider how limited the situation is. If 2d will beat 6k in all cases except for one or two, 6k isn't really a good response in general. In reality, Baiken doesn't have good ways to beat 2d most of the time. 2d is a problem because, combined with dp, it prevents you from really playing offensively. I don't know of any safe way to play rushdown against Sol because while dps can be baited and punished, 2d is hard to do anything about. Yoshijin only works provided Sol actually follows 2d with anything. If he just 2ds and then stops, Yoshijin won't counterhit, and Sol gets free combo. One other random thing about Sol matchup - he can Grand Viper your chain on reaction.
suru Posted February 1, 2006 Posted February 1, 2006 Situational isn't a bad thing on its own, but you have to consider how limited the situation is. If 2d will beat 6k in all cases except for one or two, 6k isn't really a good response in general. In reality, Baiken doesn't have good ways to beat 2d most of the time. 2d is a problem because, combined with dp, it prevents you from really playing offensively. I don't know of any safe way to play rushdown against Sol because while dps can be baited and punished, 2d is hard to do anything about. Yoshijin only works provided Sol actually follows 2d with anything. If he just 2ds and then stops, Yoshijin won't counterhit, and Sol gets free combo. One other random thing about Sol matchup - he can Grand Viper your chain on reaction.
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Posted February 2, 2006 hmm, makes me wonder if 6k could clash with GV or would that not work since GV is a low move. *SDV*
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Posted February 2, 2006 hmm, makes me wonder if 6k could clash with GV or would that not work since GV is a low move. *SDV*
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 As long as Sol is sliding along the ground during GV, 6K goes right over him. Once he starts to come up for the uppercut, 6K will stagger him (or you'll trade hits if he's close enough). When the uppercut actually comes out (and is all fiery and stuff), he's too high and 6K is useless.
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 As long as Sol is sliding along the ground during GV, 6K goes right over him. Once he starts to come up for the uppercut, 6K will stagger him (or you'll trade hits if he's close enough). When the uppercut actually comes out (and is all fiery and stuff), he's too high and 6K is useless.
moonlessnite480 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Raph says to stomp out the fire with no fear
moonlessnite480 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Raph says to stomp out the fire with no fear
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 umm i was just trying it out and i couldn't get Baiken to snuff out GV while Sol was doing the sliding part could you elaborate a bit?
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 umm i was just trying it out and i couldn't get Baiken to snuff out GV while Sol was doing the sliding part could you elaborate a bit?
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 it doesnt really matter, cause no sol would do GV at a distance where you could even stick 6k out and even if he did most likely you can IAD back T.mat for the win. *SDV*
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 it doesnt really matter, cause no sol would do GV at a distance where you could even stick 6k out and even if he did most likely you can IAD back T.mat for the win. *SDV*
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 If the GV was "telegraphed" that easily, then you might as well just jump up and over the GV and run over to punch Sol in the face for being a douche when he lands. Could anyone give some advice/suggestions on the Faust match-up? I'm interested in hearing what other people think about this fight.
rtl42 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 If the GV was "telegraphed" that easily, then you might as well just jump up and over the GV and run over to punch Sol in the face for being a douche when he lands. Could anyone give some advice/suggestions on the Faust match-up? I'm interested in hearing what other people think about this fight.
moonlessnite480 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Could anyone give some advice/suggestions on the Faust match-up? I'm interested in hearing what other people think about this fight. Just lose with some dignity. jk...What happened to that guy who posted all that stuff in the other thread...we need some baiken vs faust info here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
moonlessnite480 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Could anyone give some advice/suggestions on the Faust match-up? I'm interested in hearing what other people think about this fight. Just lose with some dignity. jk...What happened to that guy who posted all that stuff in the other thread...we need some baiken vs faust info here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 CH T.mat combos look cooler :P *SDV*
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 CH T.mat combos look cooler :P *SDV*
Urzakor Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 meh, just don't give faust any space. thats my plan at least
Urzakor Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 meh, just don't give faust any space. thats my plan at least
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Posted February 4, 2006 Plannin on playin against ElvenShadow at MWC so ill come back with a full report in bout 2 weeks...damn that time is gettin near. I do know for a fact that 41236+k can be CH Pcounter, but other than that i dont know shit bout this matchup. *SDV*
THE SERAPHIC 1 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Posted February 4, 2006 Plannin on playin against ElvenShadow at MWC so ill come back with a full report in bout 2 weeks...damn that time is gettin near. I do know for a fact that 41236+k can be CH Pcounter, but other than that i dont know shit bout this matchup. *SDV*
Honnou Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 If you're hanging in the air, definitely look out for 6p and 5k. Do not recklessly spam tatamis. Those moves will kill you bad. Oh, and his j.hs, especially the FDC low to the ground one. That thing is something like 60% of the screen. Some players like to take the JC combo upon sweeping faust. Baiken can even sweep faust and do a low j.d for a dust loop. Either take that or the knockdown. I'm thinking though as playing Baiken, you don't get many damage opportunities so I think I'd go for the damage. I'm in no way an authority on this match. This is just off the top of my head.
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