Toxin45 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: Uhh, I knew all of that. We don't know what's the deal with True Noel in the first place though, so we can't even tell if she's inherently evil just yet. Guess she wants to have her own desires and just wishes to be normal but is really doesn't want her wish due to issues Anyway back on topic so where are the other translations? Sorry for asking this but I am too impatient
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 So I'm guessing her captain/Tager was either a lover or relative? Either way, she doesn't look like she'll be trying to kill Noel with those injuries.
Fenris Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 True Noel may not be so "evil" as her actions are kind of just screwing everyone and their lives over. I guess she means well, but she comes off as selfish as hell. She probably got a bit irritated--if not furious--when some of the "characters" in her story became aware of what's going on and started to tell the other characters, too. That probably made it harder for her to screw with things or whatever. Not to mention there are characters that are seemingly flat-out immune to her rewrites. What's funny is that the physical manifestation of True Noel's Drive, Izanami, is out to destroy her. It could be a projection of the part of True Noel's self that wants to be "saved," though that could mean "killing" her, unless of course there is another way. Altogether, I am starting to like how this seems to present the age-old question of "Who is truly the evil one here?" This story may be a mess, but that's kinda deep. Mad props, Mori.
Toxin45 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 15 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: So I'm guessing her captain/Tager was either a lover or relative? Either way, she doesn't look like she'll be trying to kill Noel with those injuries. Actually it's more like her desire.
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, Toxin45 said: Actually it's more like her desire. ......of course it is, but I was wondering what's her current status seeing as how she apparently got rekt by Izanami much like Kagura.
Toxin45 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Remember that the first two acts are in the embryo so i guess since that they will get eventually healed by Celica. also Tager is still well Tager and Relius is apparently knows how to disable Izanami's vessel seeing as he's the one who created it perhaps using magic and I wonder what Hakumen's act ii is?
Luminos564 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 2 hours ago, kylehyde said: I'm a little confused as to why Ragna is not an entitled. Even Naoto who is similar to him is an entitled now apparently, yet he still isn't. If I understand it correctly Amaterasu is the one who decides who is entitled or not, so does she not give a damn about Ragna? That's kind of messed up since he has done a lot of stuff story wise to move the world in a more desired direction, while Terumi, Hazama, Nine, etc are actually trying to destroy Amaterasu, yet she acknowledges them as entitled? Like what the hell. I mean it would stand to reason that he deserves to be an entitled as much as anyone else. Even far above Noel Vermillion. It might not be so simple. While the "Entitled" are those chosen by Amaterasu, the Embryo world itself however was seemingly (although not outright confirmed to be) designed to make Ragna a "God" (or just plain equal in power to one), which is exactly what Azrael wants to make of him so he can kick his shit sideways. To put it in a more dramatic fashion, an Entitled is basically the one Amaterasu/True Noel will allow to (probably) use her power in order to reshape the current world. But Ragna's potential growth isn't tied to being an Entitled but something else far above them. I take this more as a sign that Amaterasu/True Noel cannot make him into one of her Entitled, as opposed to not wanting him to be one. Or there could be a completely different reason altogether. It's not like Amaterasu singled him out either. Arakune and Azrael both aren't one of the Entitled as well. Until we hear her explanation, all we can do is grasp at straws over the answer. I agree that it is weird that characters who'd rather kill/abuse Amaterasu being Entitled is a bit insane but at the same time, it's not like she's allowing just anyone's wishes to come true what with all the Phenomena Intervention she's overclocking.
Toxin45 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 So is Trinity still inside Jin? So why is Trinity inside Jin and how did she do it?
Fenris Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, Toxin45 said: So is Trinity still inside Jin? So why is Trinity inside Jin and how did she do it? Might have needed someone to tether her soul to, and Jin was probably convenient at the time? Nah, there's probably some deeper, more drawn out explanation for it.
Luminos564 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Calamitus said: The search continues (I think some of them from Act 1) Hide contents Can't believe I missed these. And yeah only 1 image is from Act 1 and I think it's the Mu-12 one with Noel in a white, empty room. And speaking of Mu-12, dammit Mori why do you put your characters through the wringer? It's bad enough that Ragna is the epitome of bad luck galore but now you gotta wreck Noel's mind even further than before? I sincerely hope that by the conclusion of this whole mad, mad world the characters can finally stop feeling their universe's crushing weight. And I am with Axiomatic on the subject of Tao's arcade images. She's known Ragna (that she remembers) for all of a few days total between CT and CP yet Tao's desired future always makes sure to include her "Good Guy" pal spending time and generally not having a care in the world. She may be dumb as bricks 85% of the time, but like Makoto, Taokaka's a total pal to everyone that earns her friendship. Sadly the BB-verse cannot seem to comprehend positive feelings and must resolve to stamp them out whenever possible. And considering the chief "deity" running the show is a girl inside a big satellite and whose childhood more than likely sucked (it's Noel after all), this might...actually make a lot more sense now that I think about it.
Volt Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fenris said: Izanami seems so 'downgraded' as a threat now. Ugh. Anyway... I once had this idea that "the girl" inside the A. Unit (now revealed to be "True Noel") might've been there since the start of the Blazblue universe (including XBlaze and BE), and that she was perhaps repeatedly rewriting the whole thing, with Touya and Naoto probably being 'different takes' on Ragna (or the way around). However, someone mentioned a while back (yes, I remember everything!) that the resets (or story rewrites) only started just recently. But then the A. Unit is implied--if not outright stated--to have been around waaay before the start of XBlaze, BE, and BB, which begs the questions: Who hosted the A. Unit prior to True Noel, then? Did it have a host prior to her? Did it even NEED a host before that? True Noel is said to be reshaping the world based on her own memories of it. (This might explain the reason as to why Naoto "shouldn't be there," as the girl should never have met him before. But then there's that whole thing about him turning out to be an "entitled one" after all; that's beside the point I'm trying to make, though.) Something compels me to think that True Noel must've *recently taken host of the A. Unit and must only have the ability to rewrite the events from her "birth"(?) up until a certain point. *recently, in reference to a crapload of time Naoto--and possibly others (even Es?)--could either be barging in from outside of this "fabricated world" or were part of it all along. This could either imply that: a.) Blazblue may not take place in "the future" as many have thought, and it might very well be taking place in its own "dimensional bubble thingy" during either XBlaze or BE. I HIGHLY doubt it, though. Or b.) Naoto (and possibly Es now) might've somehow stumbled into a future warped by True Noel (via the boundary?). Naoto himself is even said to go "wtf" at the events unfolding before him in one of the previous posts in this thread. Well, Izanami downgraded herself as a threat so she could point at "True Noel" and blame her. Well, at least that seemed to be the plan, but Relius showed up... What's up with that anyway, Relius feels like the classy parallel to Azrael at this point, the only time he was defeated was in CP when only his plans got spoiled and he kinda got a meltdown (Or pretended to have one) and Carl and Litchi bailed him out. Wait, wasn't Rachel the personified Drive of Raquel? why would Izanami be related to Amaterasu that way? Also, I don't think any of the recent pictures are related to Act I. Mu's look consistent to her Act II ending where she saw Noel and she blamed everything on her. (Again.) Izayoi is definitely getting like Hakumen at this point. Her secret killing art just never works does it? That just reinforces my theory that Izanami's just holding back and letting people figure that they can't kill her or that even if they do, "True Noel" just resets the whole thing. By the way, does someone know a good summary of XBlaze: Code Embryo? I can't find a proper wakthrough on Youtube (No one gets the True Ending.) And I'm curious about what exactly happens there since it's canon and apparently important to the plot. Edited January 30, 2016 by Volt Forgot to ask something.
Chaoschao222 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Volt said: Wait, wasn't Rachel the personified Drive of Raquel? why would Izanami be related to Amaterasu that way? That was a misinterpretation of Rachel's lines to Izanami. Rachel was calling Izanami the manifestation of [her] Drive. The "her" is not explicitly specified.
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Volt said: Well, Izanami downgraded herself as a threat so she could point at "True Noel" and blame her. Well, at least that seemed to be the plan, but Relius showed up... What's up with that anyway, Relius feels like the classy parallel to Azrael at this point, the only time he was defeated was in CP when only his plans got spoiled and he kinda got a meltdown (Or pretended to have one) and Carl and Litchi bailed him out. Wait, wasn't Rachel the personified Drive of Raquel? why would Izanami be related to Amaterasu that way? Also, I don't think any of the recent pictures are related to Act I. Mu's look consistent to her Act II ending where she saw Noel and she blamed everything on her. (Again.) Izayoi is definitely getting like Hakumen at this point. Her secret killing art just never works does it? That just reinforces my theory that Izanami's just holding back and letting people figure that they can't kill her or that even if they do, "True Noel" just resets the whole thing. It seems that was the idea with her stabbing herself with Ragna, after all. Really looking forward to that Relius translation soon, though. Wonder if he has any plans for Izzy after that; wouldn't be surprised if that's the way she gets written out of the story, damn.
Mirage of Void Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, Volt said: "True Noel" just resets the whole thing. It's like another continuum shift!
Calamitus Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Luminos564 said: And yeah only 1 image is from Act 1 and I think it's the Mu-12 one with Noel in a white, empty room. Actually, this Mu and Noel image is from Act 2. Tao's images are from Act 1.
Fenris Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, Chaoschao222 said: That was a misinterpretation of Rachel's lines to Izanami. Rachel was calling Izanami the manifestation of [her] Drive. The "her" is not explicitly specified. Huh, well until "she" is confirmed, I guess I'll just go on ahead and soft-retract this statement: 1 hour ago, Fenris said: What's funny is that the physical manifestation of True Noel's Drive, Izanami, is out to destroy her. It could be a projection of the part of True Noel's self that wants to be "saved," though that could mean "killing" her, unless of course there is another way.
Toxin45 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, Chaoschao222 said: That was a misinterpretation of Rachel's lines to Izanami. Rachel was calling Izanami the manifestation of [her] Drive. The "her" is not explicitly specified. Oh then what does it say?
TekkamanArk Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 5 hours ago, Toxin45 said: Oh then what does it say? What they're saying is that Rachel just says "her" Drive. Whoever "her" is, Rachel doesn't say who though, she just says "her" Drive.
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I don't think there's too much of a connection with Ragna and Naoto's Sayas because while Saya T. resembles Izanami (something that is established in host bodies with Kazuma/Hazama), Saya looks like her brothers in the flashbacks. Maybe Izanami is actually using Saya T. as a vessel this entire time but believes it to be Ragna/Jin's sister because that's what Relius told her upon awakening?
JustaMaskedFreak Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I don't think there's too much of a connection with Ragna and Naoto's Sayas because while Saya T. resembles Izanami (something that is established in host bodies with Kazuma/Hazama), Saya looks like her brothers in the flashbacks. Maybe Izanami is actually using Saya T. as a vessel this entire time but believes it to be Ragna/Jin's sister because that's what Relius told her upon awakening? But then it wouldn't make sense Noel feeling "sick" after seeing Izanami for the first time, and also, Ragna couldn't see his sister looking at Izanami
Toxin45 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Hey Zedar did you managed to finish most of translations of Act II?
Cerotech Omega Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 35 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: But then it wouldn't make sense Noel feeling "sick" after seeing Izanami for the first time, and also, Ragna couldn't see his sister looking at Izanami Don't you mean "second"? Wasn't Noel there with Ragna when Izanami caused him to lose control of his grimoire? She wasn't sick then.
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 27 minutes ago, Cerotech Omega said: Don't you mean "second"? Wasn't Noel there with Ragna when Izanami caused him to lose control of his grimoire? She wasn't sick then. Think he's referring to the last episode of the anime, where Noel freaks out after making eye contact with Izanami and Ragna has a flash image of Saya that allows him to connect the two as the same. Still...the anime wasn't that great, sadly. Wouldn't be the best place to look for answers regarding something that wasn't thought of at the time.
Fenris Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I was just thinking about how odd it would be if Rachel were talking about Saya Terumi when she mentioned Izanami being a manifestation of "her" drive. Reason being is because, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Rachel totally clueless as to who the hell Raquel was? Also, I'm pretty sure she was a bit lost when approached by Naoto, too--despite the odd feeling she got due to his resemblance to Ragna. So if she was seemingly clueless as to who Raquel and Naoto were, how could she have known about Saya Terumi? They're all from the same 'realm' (or whatever you want to call it). I can think of some ways that this could be possible; I mean, she could've been bluffing for all we know, but I have my doubts that she was talking about Saya T. That would potentially make for one doozy of a plot hole. Man, I tell ya', this game poses more and more questions, and all of these questions are going to be answered in the same game? That's a first!
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