FKGunBlaze Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Just now, heavymetalmixer said: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcqxsChXEAA14uH.jpg:large Discuss. Wait, WAT. Embryo World!Rachel was canned?!
MaximusMurkimus Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 That picture is too confusing to discuss >_>
JustaMaskedFreak Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 OK, I know it may be Kagura who is asking in that picture, but at this point of Plot twists in Central Fiction I am too afraid to ask it.
TekkamanArk Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 28 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: OK, I know it may be Kagura who is asking in that picture, but at this point of Plot twists in Central Fiction I am too afraid to ask it. Well, it's not Rachel's form of speech, and uses male patterns.
FKGunBlaze Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 The thing is not who asks, but rather what is being asked.
MaximusMurkimus Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Someone get Mr. Non-Subtle (me) hyped, because that pic is still cryptic to meÂ
ReRe01 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Rachel don't even used a ars magus and yet Kagura asking her how she got out something not right at all with this scene.
Tokkan Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Hibiki's winscreen quote VS Rachel has him capturing Rachel, all that scene does is just canonise that winscreen quote. Ars Magus Vessels are the skyships, like the one that that is one of Hibiki's stages.
Luminos564 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, Tokkan said: Hibiki's winscreen quote VS Rachel has him capturing Rachel, all that scene does is just canonise that winscreen quote. Ars Magus Vessels are the skyships, like the one that that is one of Hibiki's stages. Better question is: why exactly are they attempting to toss her into the slammer? Embryo brainwashing or not, they should know that even when weakened, Rachel doesn't exactly succumb to typical vampiric weaknesses. Also that they need someone like Nine to pull off an effective jail in the first place. Much as I don't care for little miss Bunny-leech, I sincerely doubt she can be held prisoner by NOL mooks even if say Hibiki is up to the task of arresting her. Note that I am not saying that Hibiki himself is an NOL mook. I'm sure the lad is perfectly capable to making the capture. I'm just questioning how he and the rest plan of keeping her restrained since I doubt Hibiki has the luxury of playing warden at this time.
TD Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Foolish mortals, locking Rachel up. Hah! Â anyone know why she was jailed? I thought she was on kagura's side what happened.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 3 hours ago, TD said: Foolish mortals, locking Rachel up. Hah! Â anyone know why she was jailed? I thought she was on kagura's side what happened. Maybe because her power was weakened and they imprisioned her to not look after Ragna, who is dying. That can be why they would try to brainwash her (if I am not wrong about this last one)
Ogiga99 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 6 hours ago, TD said: Foolish mortals, locking Rachel up. Hah!  anyone know why she was jailed? I thought she was on kagura's side what happened. The Embryo happened. Kagura lost all his memories of CP so he doesn't see her as an ally. Hibiki simply arrested her because she opposed him and the NOL.  On a different note, do we know if Tsubaki and Izayoi are the same person or if they've split? All the other cases of two characters being the same or sharing a body are now separate people (Noel/Mu, Lambda/Nu and Hazama/Terumi) so I'm wondering if it's the same here. We don't have summaries for either of their Arcade modes so I'm not sure if it's been confirmed or not and Act I seemed pretty vague on it?
FKGunBlaze Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 I remember hearing back in Act 1Â that Tsubaki does not have her memories, but transforming into Izayoi made her remember everything.
Ogiga99 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, GunBlazer said: I remember hearing back in Act 1 that Tsubaki does not have her memories, but transforming into Izayoi made her remember everything. All Izayoi says in Act I is that she could remember everything because of the Zero-Type Izayoi, not that she transformed into Izayoi, meaning it could that (for some reason) there is one Tsubaki in Izayoi form and one that only has the Sealed Weapon Izayoi. The annoying thing with this is that Izayoi's story seems to occur first. In Tsubaki's Arcade she refers to Nine as Phantom and Nine wonders if it was memories from Izayoi. Since Izayoi first refers to Nine as Phantom before Nine properly introduced herself and didn't know about Nine before that, the only way to interpret Nine's line about "memories from Izayoi" is that they are memories from being Izayoi, not the Sealed Weapon Izayoi protecting her. This could also fit with Jin's statement in Tsubaki's arcade that even the wielder of Izayoi can't escape the effects of the Embryo, the Zero-Type Izayoi only protected her for a certain amount of time but eventually she reverted to normal and lost her memories. Aside from this or them being separate there is no way to explain how Tsubaki's memories work. Act II is the most confusing part since they both have stories and I don't think she's able to just switch forms at will in the Embryo. Either she started as Izayoi and reverted to normal in Act I then went through Act II as normal before becoming Izayoi again or they would have to be two separate people to make sense of this. Like with Nine there will also be the problem of encountering Izanami twice (unless one of them has a different final boss) and probably not mentioning it. Of course it's also possible that when she becomes Izayoi, Tsubaki's true memories completely overwrite her Embryo ones so she wouldn't remember any encounters she had in her normal form. Knowing the details of Act II seems like the only way to clear this up.
heavymetalmixer Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Looks like Luna and Sena were two separate kids in the beginning: Â
Toxin45 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 On 3/3/2016 at 1:42 PM, Ogiga99 said: One tiny thing. In Nine's fight with Kokonoe you have Nine say she hates her parents (plural) but the kanji for parent used (at least I think I have the right kanji, it's small and blurry) can be singular. Nine only hates her father and, going by Watashi, she loved her mother, who died when Nine was young and was not insolent and egotistic (she acted pretty much exactly like an older Celica). I think she's saying to Kokonoe that they are similar in that they both have hatred towards parents, not that they hate their parents (small difference but important) so the line would be something like "I also hate a parent. He (my father) was insolent and egotistic." Now I could be completely wrong since my knowledge of Japanese is limited so feel free to tell me I'm an idiot if that's the case, but this seems to be a situation where the language's ability to skip specifying whether a noun is singular or plural and not assign he or she to subjects is confusing and context sensitive.  Personally ever since we learned there was someone in the Master Unit I've just called her "The Girl." This is because it is the name Rachel gives for her equivalent character in The Story of the World. It is still a very vague term but it sounds more natural then "Her" and I still am confused as to whether we are positive she is named Noel. If we have to call her Noel, since I seem to be in the minority when it comes to questioning this, perhaps we could use something like "Amaterasu Noel" or "Master Unit Noel" to specify we are talking about the girl inside and not the unit itself. Thoughts? I don't mind it in this case since Mu became her own character. Essentially there are now two characters. Mu has accepted Godslayer power but struggles with the fact that she possesses the part of her that hates the world and wants to destroy everything and the Noel who has rejected that destructive impulse. I would argue that while Noel accepted the power of Kusanagi, she only suppressed her hatred of the world. Once that returned to the forefront she rejected only that side of her and the Godslayer powers leaving with it was just a side effect (I'm getting a very Persona 4 Shadow vibe from this). I also think her poor showing is the reason the two were split. Noel didn't do anything with Kusanagi since Mu was just a power-up so they split the two to give them each meaningful roles. Besides, just like Ragna's life is always doomed to suck Noel is doomed to suffer constant identity crises.  At the moment it's unclear how direct the connection between playable Noel and the Master Unit is. However, Noel's Act II ending outright confirms that the playable Noel is the one who is denying the other Entitleds' worlds and keeping everything the same. The Azure shows her the future where people will come to kill her for the sake of their desires (although you hear people like Ragna, Makoto, Bang and Kagura who almost certainly won't turn on her so it's unclear if that is the absolute truth). At the moment it is impossible for anyone to actually die in the Embryo. In every recursion after the Master Unit appears in the sky and someone challenges Izanami, the world created by an Entitled gets undone (this is why the Master Unit isn't in the sky in Naoto's ending, it only appears after everything starts shaking and Izanami challenges someone and then disappears after Noel resets things). Izanami lets Ragna stab him in his ending because she knows it will not matter and will be undone. Nobody can actually die until the source of the distortion is destroyed so it would be impossible to kill Noel if the only reason Nine and Izanami wanted to do so was because she was a threat. It is confirmed that Noel is the source of the distortion so she needs to die before the villains can try to kill people for other reasons.  On a completely different note, and something of a random tangent, something interesting but confusing stood out to me. Continuing the tradition of Naoto confusing members of the cast for BE characters (Rachel for Raquel, Nu/Lambda for Kiiro, Izanami for Saya Terumi etc.), he mistakes Makoto for Yuki Hayami. This is baffling because (from the description we've gotten of Yuki) the two don't look alike at all. Yuki has orange hair, isn't part squirrel and most importantly is his aunt and therefore much older than Makoto (at the very least in her mid thirties). However, there is one thing that might be important about this. Both Makoto and Yuki Himezuru (from XBlaze) are voiced by Tomomi Isomura. This could be another hint that Yuki Himezuru and Yuki Hayami are the same person. Of course if that's the case then it's likely that Bloodedge Experience takes place earlier than we might have thought. Since Yuki Hayami has a 16 year old daughter, and Himezuru clearly doesn't have a child in XBlaze, BE could take place in 2067 at the very earliest (I'm fairly certain both CE and LM aren't both done before the end of March), which would make Yuki 42-43 years old. Previously a lot of speculation suggested BE took place around 2090 due to how young Relius is during it and that age would make him somewhere around 40-50 in the present (which seems to fit with how he looks factoring in arriving in the main BlazBlue world in 2179). My issue with this theory is that I can't believe Relius managed go from mercenary as one of the Immortal Breakers all the way to a master of Science, Alchemy and even become One, leader of the Ten Sages, in such a short period of time. There is precedence for mages looking much younger than they actually are. Celica still looked very young even when she was the Sister and therefore over 90 years old while Zwei looks to be in her late twenties but almost certainly has to be over 35 to have mentored Drei and Kuon's mother (and probably significantly older to be so much more experience than them) so it is likely that there are advanced magic techniques that slow one's aging. Instead, I believe that BE takes place around 2070 since technology doesn't appear to have evolved much since XBlaze, TOi and the Mitsurugi Agency are still prominent and Mei is still very active. I apologize since this is kinda off topic but I wanted to get my thoughts out about it. Magic users seems to slow down their aging process I mean look at Celica and in a nutshell magic make you look young and live longer. Also yeah Luna and Sena were separate kids.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 On 04/03/2016 at 7:45 PM, heavymetalmixer said: Looks like Luna and Sena were two separate kids in the beginning: Â Wait, now I notice, this is obviously from Platinum Arcade Ending, but which one?
kyodash Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 3 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: On 2016/3/4 at 7:45 AM, heavymetalmixer said: Looks like Luna and Sena were two separate kids in the beginning: Â where u watch this video? Â
heavymetalmixer Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 48 minutes ago, kyodash said: Â Sourenga's channel on Dailymotion.
Yoshirocks92 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 On ‎3‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 7:55 AM, JustaMaskedFreak said: Just to ask, did we just related Noel as Amaterasu because of the arcade endings? If so, what if Amaterasu isn't Noel and Nine want everyone to destroy her since she has the Kusanagi? Yes, I know that she lost the power, but I don't think it is impossible to her for recover that same power. Noel always has been aimed as powerful, think about it: the Calamity Trigger, her abilities with ars magus, our little Kusanagi (brainwashed by ), later she learn how to turn Mu-12. Despite Ragna being the powerful one and a wild card, Noel really does have a power to end (or at least wipe out) some of this threats, maybe that's why Izanami and Nine are targeting her to kill I guess that would make sense for Izanami and Nine to both be targeting Noel since to them, they see her as a threat and in order to complete their plans, Noel has to be killed since as Big Noel, she can pretty much reset the world back to the beginning which Izanami and Nine are really getting tired of it but that's what I'm thinking. Â
JustaMaskedFreak Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 20 minutes ago, Yoshirocks92 said: I guess that would make sense for Izanami and Nine to both targeting Noel since to them, they see her as a threat and in order to complete their plans, Noel has to be killed since as Big Noel, she can pretty much reset the world back to the beginning which Izanami and Nine are really getting tired of it but that's what I'm thinking.  One thing that Ogiga99 said before was about the relation between Noel and Amaterasu: it still highly unclear about those, but one thing confirmed was about Noel being the source of the Phenomenon Intervention (as Ogiga99 said, again). However there was one point where I disagree. About saying that nobody could die inside Embryo since Amaterasu could simply undo everything, but what if Noel dies then? If she is the source of the Intervention, killing her (and Hazama, due to life link) would do the job to stop some of the resets. Yet Izanami just targeted Noel for her not need to dirt her hands and do her plan while others are distracted protecting/killing Noel, with the exceptions of Ragna (the wild card), Naoto (someone just doing his job, for Raquel), Amane (Entering Takamagahara System), Azrael (After Ragna) Rachel (Concerned about Ragna), Valk (Concerned about Rachel) and Plat/Terumi/Relius (because they seem not that concerned about killing/protecting Noel right now)
Yoshirocks92 Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: One thing that Ogiga99 said before was about the relation between Noel and Amaterasu: it still highly unclear about those, but one thing confirmed was about Noel being the source of the Phenomenon Intervention (as Ogiga99 said, again). However there was one point where I disagree. About saying that Nobody could die inside Embryo since Amaterasu could simply undo everything, but what if Noel dies then? If she is the source of the Intervention, killing her (and Hazama, due to life link) would do the job to stop some of the resets. Yet Izanami just targeted Noel for her not need to dirt her hands and do her plan while others are distracted protecting/killing Noel, with the exceptions of Ragna (the wild card), Naoto (someone just doing his job, for Raquel), Amane (Entering Takamagahara System), Rachel (Concerned about Ragna), Valk (Concerned about Rachel) and Plat/Terumi/Relius (because they seem not that concerned about killing/protecting Noel right now) That's a very good question and hopefully it gets answered in Act III.
Toxin45 Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Well Terumi wants the successor of the Azure to fuse with the susano unit his other Vessel while Hazama just wants to use her for something.
MaximusMurkimus Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 I hope there's a good reason why Izzy is relying on the rest of the cast to try and kill Noel when she can turn into the mufucking Kusanagi at will. ...okay maybe not, since it seems Mu-12 is her own person in the Embryo, but even still it seems kinda ridiculously tedious to wait around for someone to try and kill her when you can just do it yourself. Is that a typical supervillain thing or something? Is still she worried about getting rekt by Mu-12? Didn't seem that way from Mu-12's arcade ending.
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