Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[Toxin45]

So back on topic the previews for act iii  Ragna is on the cover meaning he is doing his own thing being not an entitled,everyone is still beating each other,Izanami is going over identity crisis asking therapy season with relius,Rachel is still pissed at naoto for whatever he's doing to her husbando ragna,ignis and lambda are duking it out,Hazama and Terumi are turning on each other,Izayoi and hakumen are having conflict,Kagura is protecting Noel from Jin,Carl is making a descion,Tager is remember his past,Roy cheering up Licthi,Valk is duking it out with Amane,and Nine is getting all the noxs. Basically act iii is gonna be wild

[JustaMaskedFreak]

37 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

So back on topic the previews for act iii  Ragna is on the cover meaning he is doing his own thing being not an entitled,everyone is still beating each other,Izanami is going over identity crisis asking therapy season with relius,Rachel is still pissed at naoto for whatever he's doing to her husbando ragna,ignis and lambda are duking it out,Hazama and Terumi are turning on each other,Izayoi and hakumen are having conflict,Kagura is protecting Noel from Jin,Carl is making a descion,Tager is remember his past,Roy cheering up Licthi,Valk is duking it out with Amane,and Nine is getting all the noxs. Basically act iii is gonna be wild

Wild is nothing compared from what we saw from that preview, and also, people expects that some of the questions gets answered in act 3, instead of piling up more and more questions... I hope they show the new opening soon. I have high hopes for the crest that appears when announces the Act (like Nine's Crest in Act 1 and Izanami's in Act 2). If this act don't bring a new character, my guess is Ragna's, Noel's or Amaterasu's crest will show up.

And please, Act 3, give us some answers about Naoto instead of throwing more questions in our faces.

[Yoshirocks92]

45 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said:

Wild is nothing compared from what we saw from that preview, and also, people expects that some of the questions gets answered in act 3, instead of piling up more and more questions... I hope they show the new opening soon. I have high hopes for the crest that appears when announces the Act (like Nine's Crest in Act 1 and Izanami's in Act 2). If this act don't bring a new character, my guess is Ragna's, Noel's or Amaterasu's crest will show up.

And please, Act 3, give us some answers about Naoto instead of throwing more questions in our faces.

I just hope we get the opening this week so we can see what we can expect.

[churchblue]

Es will probably appear in Naoto's ending in Act III...for real.

[JustaMaskedFreak]

2 minutes ago, churchblue said:

Es will probably appear in Naoto's ending in Act III...for real.

My guess is Es will have an important role and with everyone and it won't take too long to Naoto end up stuck with the main cast, especially if Kokonoe plans to capture him.

[NeoStrayCat]

7 hours ago, Chaoschao222 said:

Reminder to not directly post any story-related videos. ArcSys does not condone them (just like with music), and as such, it's bad for DL to have them. Reminder 2.0; telling people the videos exist is not against any rules.

Then I guess screenshots are fine? I mean, its plastered all over the forum, and social media in general, so, there's not much ado about it. And for reminder 2.0, why isn't this mentioned in first post? I'm only answering this as an honest user. This could have saved some headaches though. (Though I guess anything from ASW themselves uploaded officially is safe, I assume? Though technically a fan/user posted up the Act 3 preview before ASW themselves, so...<.<)

Though already, you mentioned in this topic that says the same in the manner. (And yes, I went through all 55 as of post pages here in this topic so that I didn't miss anything to get the facts straight. And yes, I've already read your posts regarding the rules of it here and trying to maintain it without others not going directly off-topic, as usual.)

5 hours ago, Vulcan422 said:

It really should be obvious by now that having story vids posted anywhere on the site would result in ASW eventually taking notice. Next thing you know, Dustloop is shut down, and a bunch of people are now in legal and financial hell, especially since there are connections between DL and ASW, as well as their publishers (Aksys, Zen United, etc.). Bye bye anime FGC.

Exactly what I fear, but the damage has been done regardless when you yourself contributed (Though technically it was a stream and not an upload, but twitch probably archives it regardless.), and Tong linked the Ragna/Izanami theme here. Yes, I know that now this is a precaution and next time, just tell others to look them up and not here. And yes, I respect the wishes of DL/ASW (and the pubs theirn), but some people don't know, and they need quick notice here just in case they post something like that.

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Either ways, OTT, yeah, I'm never much on knowing on CF here so far (other than actually trying it out at times), unless if by whenever it comes up either translated by subs or users here on DL, or out officially in English on Consoles, but since its not, and Act 3 is coming in next week (as of post), the suspense of the arcade story will reach its tension, and we'll find out how it goes, and then within the console's own story mode later. The wait will continue on...

[Chaoschao222]

Ah, I thought that was already added to Zepp's overarching rules, whoops. I'll fix that.

[NeoStrayCat]

Duly noted C.C., already checked (and rules theirin), its there! )^^)b (Though I'd be surprised why its not the top post pinned. But oh well.)

Just 9 more days to go...Until Act 3 (timezone dependent...)

[Toxin45]

So anyone wants to guess why Ragna is on the cover of Act III

[Yoshirocks92]

2 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

So anyone wants to guess why Ragna is on the cover of Act III

Because he's most likely the boss of Act III but I'm fine with being wrong too.

[Toxin45]

I think I know why Naoto appears in Central Fiction The Black Beast The Black Beast attack Japan and Naoto fought it but was sucked into the cauldron aka Black Beast since it killed his friends and family that sent him into the future alongside Raquel.

[churchblue]

3 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

I think I know why Naoto appears in Central Fiction The Black Beast The Black Beast attack Japan and Naoto fought it but was sucked into the cauldron aka Black Beast since it killed his friends and family that sent him into the future alongside Raquel.

I think that stuff will be explained on the console version in flashbacks.

[JustaMaskedFreak]

2 minutes ago, churchblue said:

I think that stuff will be explained on the console version in flashbacks.

Or with his own Story Mode part, like Kagura, Kokonoe and Bullet in CPEX

[Kenji Harima]

22 hours ago, churchblue said:

Es will probably appear in Naoto's ending in Act III...for real.

I think that we will see Raquel or even both of them. Of course if Raquel somehow didn't become an Embryo again (Izanami's strange statement at Naoto Act 2).

Anyway it's time to talk with Valkenhayn little Rachel.

 

22 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said:

especially if Kokonoe plans to capture him.

She should do it. This guy is more straightforward than Ragna (but more caring on the other hand) so his independent actions might provide more problems.

30 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

So anyone wants to guess why Ragna is on the cover of Act III

I saw that all of you were debating about this on previous pages. I suppose that he might be a boss but his stance definitely doesn't look like a fighting pose so he probably isn't enraged again. It's more looks like he wants to explain something. Hope that isn't another Ragna too.

 

 

PS. These arcade Acts are giving us many hints but we still need to wait for Story Mode :/

 

 

[Yoshirocks92]

3 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said:

I saw that all of you were debating about this on previous pages. I suppose that he might be a boss but his stance definitely doesn't look like a fighting pose so he probably isn't enraged again. It's more looks like he wants to explain something. Hope that isn't another Ragna too.

 

 

PS. These arcade Acts are giving us many hints but we still need to wait for Story Mode :/

Well I would've though of Amaterasu being the Act III boss but I guess the opening should give us something.

[Kenji Harima]

25 minutes ago, Yoshirocks92 said:

Well I would've though of Amaterasu being the Act III boss but I guess the opening should give us something.

It's still can be the final boss in the Story Mode

Anyway these two last Rachel's lines in Act 3's preview (if she wasn't talking to herself) gave an idea that she and Ragna are cooperating at something. She is one of the person who Ragna trusts so maybe he got some order from her.

[Ogiga99]

1 hour ago, Yoshirocks92 said:

Because he's most likely the boss of Act III but I'm fine with being wrong too.

I doubt he's the boss. All of the Entitled are gunning for Playable Noel (Jin and Izanami flat out tell Playable Noel to her face that she is the cause of the distortion that needs to be destroyed before an Entitled can create a new world, not Amaterasu) so no one has any reason to fight Ragna, or any way for everyone to reliably find Ragna (or Noel for that matter) unlike every other Arcade boss (Nu awakens from the Sheol Gate, Hazama waits by the Monolith, Nine teleports people to her and Izanami waits for the Entitled to challenge her when Amaterasu appears). I would say Ragna is there just because he's the protagonist of the series and is representative of their being no boss.

1 hour ago, Toxin45 said:

I think I know why Naoto appears in Central Fiction The Black Beast The Black Beast attack Japan and Naoto fought it but was sucked into the cauldron aka Black Beast since it killed his friends and family that sent him into the future alongside Raquel.

Bloodedge Experience takes place several years, if not decades, before the Black Beast appeared. I've generally heard BE theorized as taking place around 2090 due to Relius's age but personally I think it's closer to 2070 due to Mei, Yuki and TOi. At the very least, Relius is clearly not yet the leader of the Ten Sages in BE (the Immortal Breakers seem independent of the Magic Guild and the image in his Act I arcade shows One looking the same age as modern Relius, not BE Relius). Naoto looks to be roughly the same age in BE and CF so no matter what he is too young to be from 2099. Additionally, Naoto heavily implies to Nine that he willingly came to the present (probably by jumping into a Cauldron) specifically to save Raquel and Nine telling him to go back to the people dear to him means that his friends and family are not dead.

55 minutes ago, churchblue said:

I wonder why Naoto never heard of Es when he is Mei's distant cousin.

Why would Naoto know about the friend of his distant relative (not cousin, Mei is much older)? Mei's organization that Es worked in and the fact that she used to be a Prime Field are almost certainly kept secret so Naoto would have no reason to have spoken with Mei about her (and even if he did, he wouldn't have seen a picture of her from when she was in high school). There's also the question of whether or not Es even exists in Naoto's life because of the Lost: Memories split timeline bs (which yes I tend to ignore in discussion because it honestly makes no sense). Naoto lives in the canon timeline that leads to the Dark War (Relius and Valkenhayn remember him), which is almost certainly Watashi's timeline (otherwise she has no reason to exist). The Wadatsumi Incident never occurred in this timeline and thus Es was never created (Unomaru created her to try and inherit a new Embryo after Hinata failed and Es explicitly says she and Touya would not exist without the Incident). Granted I hate the idea that XBlaze just somehow didn't happen in the main timeline (because then it would have no reason to exist) and have tried to come up with many theories to explain how both timelines mix but if we are using the two timelines that is the explanation.

35 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said:

It's still can be the final boss in the Story Mode

Anyway these two last Rachel's lines in Act 3's preview (if she wasn't talking to herself) gave an idea that she and Ragna are cooperating at something. She is one of the person who Ragna trusts so maybe he got some order from her.

Am I the only one who hates the idea of fighting Amaterasu? It is literally the thing that is keeping the world alive and cannot be a villain of any kind, let alone the final one. Even if the Entitled and the villains might have reason to destroy it, Ragna doesn't and he is unquestionably the person who will fight the final boss. It also doesn't seem to have any real way to defend itself since it relies on the Tsukuyomi Unit for protection.

I'm pretty sure Rachel is still talking to Izanami. The lines follow the flow of the rest of the conversation. At the very least she isn't talking to Ragna since she says "he" will not give up, not "you." I'm not sure if Ragna is acting on orders from her, even though he trusts her he doesn't like it when he tells her what to do, so much as she is placing her faith in him like she always has.

[Toxin45]

So act iii is just like chronophantasma acrade

[JustaMaskedFreak]

Since Act 3 didn't introduced a new character it is more alike it will have an arcade similar to CP, like Toxin45 said.

[Luminos564]

3 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Am I the only one who hates the idea of fighting Amaterasu? It is literally the thing that is keeping the world alive and cannot be a villain of any kind, let alone the final one. Even if the Entitled and the villains might have reason to destroy it, Ragna doesn't and he is unquestionably the person who will fight the final boss. It also doesn't seem to have any real way to defend itself since it relies on the Tsukuyomi Unit for protection.

That we know of. While it is definitely true that it hasn't displayed any ability to actively fight as of yet, that doesn't mean it isn't capable of combat itself. And even if the unit itself cannot fight, the one within it certainly has the power to do so if Izanami being the girl's Drive made manifest is any indication. Plus, Izanami pulling her best S-ko impression fills me with a sense of foreboding. Some big shit is going down. The kind that is damn near guaranteed to shock me, I just know it.

That being said, I do share the sentiment that fighting Amaterasu is a bad idea. We've had the fight against Take-Mikazuchi and that was enough. I am in no mood for a repeat of the same "Giant enemy fires beams, lasers and whatever" stage again. The buildup and climax of that fight in CP was actually one of the better points in CP's otherwise trudge of a story. I feel like if ASW pulled the same with Amaterasu, the impact would just not be there.

[Kenji Harima]

20 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

All of the Entitled are gunning for Playable Noel (Jin and Izanami flat out tell Playable Noel to her face that she is the cause of the distortion that needs to be destroyed before an Entitled can create a new world, not Amaterasu) so no one has any reason to fight Ragna, or any way for everyone to reliably find Ragna (or Noel for that matter)

A few fans are guessing that he might be a guardian. Someone wrote similar theory at this topic too. I suspecting because Ragna couldn't take Izanami's place if that Phenomen Intervention really happened. Apart of Ragna I am wondering between Mu-12, Terumi or even Azrael. There is also another interesting thing -> In which place will we fight this Act 3's boss?

 

20 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Am I the only one who hates the idea of fighting Amaterasu? It is literally the thing that is keeping the world alive and cannot be a villain of any kind, let alone the final one.

No. You are not only one. I would prefer another enemy too. Good argument but after CP I doubt a little that Master Unit it's necessary factor for the world to survive.

I would say that Azure itself is more important to create/destroy something in the world. We didn't get any hint in previous stories how it all and Amaterasu had been working before humanity opened the Boundary. After all people was able to create Takamagahara System which was drawing power from the Boundary (after Gate was opened) and to made T-System they used only small portion of Azure. I suppose there is a way that "Succesor of the Azure" needn't to obtain Master Unit.

Personally I think that we still don't have enough information to point out or even to guess who or what will be the final boss. In this "chaos" it can be even Black Beast. For sure there will be a match between Ragna and Izanami in the Story Mode. I believe that some story-parts from all Acts will show up in the main history too.

 

PS. I did off top again :/

[Toxin45]

So basically Act III everyone is either going after Noel or protecting her or like Ragna is doing his own thing

 

Basically wants to kill Noel/Mu:

• Jin
• Hakumen
• Arakune
• Carl
• Hibiki
• Nu
• Bullet
• Platinum 

Those who want to protect Noel/Mu

• Celica
• Taokaka
• Bang
• Kagura
• Tsubaki
• Izayoi
• Makoto

Those who are doing their own things

• Terumi wants to get a new body
• Hazama wants the girl in the master unit to awaken because she is the true azure.
• Rachel and Naoto against each other serioulsy ,Rachel chill naoto is not thearting your husabando Ragna It's like Naoto is doing the same mind games Rachel did with Izanami along with Raquel.
• izanami sufering an Identy crisis with Relius as her doctor
• Ignis and Lambda against each other
• Amane and Valk are duking it out
• Litchi too busy doing her own thing with Roy
• Ragna wants to make his own posibly mostly likely the truth behind the master unit
• Azrael wants to fight people
• Tager
• Kokonoe
• Nine

[Toxin45]

Also about Kiri from Lost Memories i surprised  by the fact he survived while Ripper/Freaks died.Care to explain why? I mean ripper/freaks was inside the brain cat doll before he lost it and re took control over his body from Kiri.

[Ogiga99]

6 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

Also about Kiri from Lost Memories i surprised  by the fact he survived while Ripper/Freaks died.Care to explain why? I mean ripper/freaks was inside the brain cat doll before he lost it and re took control over his body from Kiri.

Here's how I see it. When the Magic Guild resurrected Ripper's body, the Kiri personality was born and Ripper's soul was forced to inhabit Brain Cat. When Kiri bit Touya and drained half of the seithr from the Original Grimoire, Ripper let his soul mix with the massive amounts of seithr and get absorbed into Kiri's body, using said power to forcibly take control of the body and become Freaks. This seithr was naturally stored inside the Crystal in his eye and thus his soul would also be housed there when it was absorbed. Es and Touya destroy the Crystal that houses all of the seithr and Ripper's soul (or at least, the power Ripper needed to hijack Kiri's body) letting Kiri regain his sense of self and get control of the body. Now normally a Union dies when their Crystal is destroyed since the Crystal is bonded to their nervous system. However Ripper is a Strange Red. His Crystal is permanently in Phase 0 and thus wouldn't actually fuse with his nervous system so much like with Akira, Kiri's body could survive having the Crystal removed.

[Toxin45]

Oh well that is conivent