Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[Volt]

8 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

So why is Es there and what is her connection to ragna?

We'll probably only know when the Famitsu Article is released.

[Luminos564]

3 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

We've known the Azure has a will for a while now. The Azure Shrine Maiden was said to be able to communicate with the Azure (this is what led to her accidentally opening the Wadatsumi Gate and releasing the Black Beast) so clearly it has to have its own will for them to chitchat.The Azure is the origin of everything, the basis from which the world was created. It seems to be the collection of all the souls of humanity, possibly with its will being something like a collective unconsciousness. All souls originate from the Azure and inevitably return to the Abyss of the Azure. In a way the Azure is more of a god then Amaterasu since it existed before the world itself and is the source of power used for Phenomenon Intervention or shaping the world with the Embryo in the first place. Obviously something like this would be WAY too much for a normal person to handle (most can barely handle the regular seithr in the Boundary) so the turning to sludge isn't just corruption, it's the Azure automatically pulling souls back to where they belong. Litchi's temptation is shown as her being drawn into the Azure, Arakune's (the most corrupted person) soul is said to already sleep in the Abyss of the Azure with him only really being able to exist because of Kokonoe's Observation, and Spinner gained a Drive by getting too close to the Boundary, which lets him use its power but risks him being sucked in. The Azure isn't malicious or even unable to communicate. Its interaction with humanity and souls returning to it is the most natural part of the foundation of the BlazBlue world. The problem is idiots getting too close to it and driving themselves insane or killing themselves.

See, this is what I like. I have little knowledge of the Azure Shrine Maiden aside from the fact Mei is related to her of many generations afterward. Glad there's someone here who can recall the knowledge of XBlaze because there's so much misinformation about it.

So effectively, the Azure is by principle "God" of the Blazblue universe. Perhaps even that of XBlaze. At least if I am understanding you proper. That would explain why all the timey-wimey stuff can be made manifest: because people are tapping into the power of creation. It does also explain why the very first unit, a mechanical construct, gained a soul after coming into contact with it. And now Ragna is going to get right up and personal with it? Though it might not turn out badly for him since the Azure is willing him to be there as opposed to people like Roy who peered outta sheer desire to surpass Kokonoe.

Now, if the Azure is ultimately the natural process for human beings to go through, then perhaps this is ultimately what needs to be done to fix the world of Blazblue. Not complete death like what Izanami craves. Not soulless, porcelain dolls crafted from the deranged mind of a lone scientist. Nor even reset once more so a big tittied witch can hug her adorable sister again. It needs someone to cut all this crap, raze said plans to the ground. In a word: destroyed as it is now so it can start fresh.

[Toxin45]

So why did the azure made Es into a gatekeeper for it?

[MaximusMurkimus]

10 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

See, this is what I like. I have little knowledge of the Azure Shrine Maiden aside from the fact Mei is related to her of many generations afterward. Glad there's someone here who can recall the knowledge of XBlaze because there's so much misinformation about it.

So effectively, the Azure is by principle "God" of the Blazblue universe. Perhaps even that of XBlaze. At least if I am understanding you proper. That would explain why all the timey-wimey stuff can be made manifest: because people are tapping into the power of creation. It does also explain why the very first unit, a mechanical construct, gained a soul after coming into contact with it. And now Ragna is going to get right up and personal with it? Though it might not turn out badly for him since the Azure is willing him to be there as opposed to people like Roy who peered outta sheer desire to surpass Kokonoe.

Now, if the Azure is ultimately the natural process for human beings to go through, then perhaps this is ultimately what needs to be done to fix the world of Blazblue. Not complete death like what Izanami craves. Not soulless, porcelain dolls crafted from the deranged mind of a lone scientist. Nor even reset once more so a big tittied witch can hug her adorable sister again. It needs someone to cut all this crap, raze said plans to the ground. In a word: destroyed as it is now so it can start fresh.

Yeah, that's what Relius and Terumi had in mind, as well. Only problem is that they would rebuild the world in their vision, so it's just as bad off.

I can totally see Mori going for the shock value of the world being erased, making everything non-canon. Cue Mass Effect parallels and pitchforks.

[BlazGearRegalia]

8 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

Yeah, that's what Relius and Terumi had in mind, as well. Only problem is that they would rebuild the world in their vision, so it's just as bad off.

I can totally see Mori going for the shock value of the world being erased, making everything non-canon. Cue Mass Effect parallels and pitchforks.

That would be the biggest stab in the heart to fans everywhere. And knowing good old Mori, we may not be too far off. Still, that's actually a very interesting thought!

[Contreras1991]

1 hour ago, Toxin45 said:

So why is Es there and what is her connection to ragna?

Maybe because Ragna, Naoto are  some kind of chronophatasma of Touya Kagari?

[Ogiga99]

34 minutes ago, Contreras1991 said:

Maybe becasue Ragna, Naoto are  some kind of chronophatasma of Touya Kagari?

That's not how Chrono Phantasma's work. Whatever connection they may or may not have it is not something like that because they are similar existences, not time-displaced clones, and they do not exist outside of fate.

 

1 hour ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

Yeah, that's what Relius and Terumi had in mind, as well. Only problem is that they would rebuild the world in their vision, so it's just as bad off.

I can totally see Mori going for the shock value of the world being erased, making everything non-canon. Cue Mass Effect parallels and pitchforks.

Central Fiction is just the end of Ragna's story. The world needs to still exist for their to be sequels.

 

1 hour ago, Luminos564 said:

See, this is what I like. I have little knowledge of the Azure Shrine Maiden aside from the fact Mei is related to her of many generations afterward. Glad there's someone here who can recall the knowledge of XBlaze because there's so much misinformation about it.

So effectively, the Azure is by principle "God" of the Blazblue universe. Perhaps even that of XBlaze. At least if I am understanding you proper. That would explain why all the timey-wimey stuff can be made manifest: because people are tapping into the power of creation. It does also explain why the very first unit, a mechanical construct, gained a soul after coming into contact with it. And now Ragna is going to get right up and personal with it? Though it might not turn out badly for him since the Azure is willing him to be there as opposed to people like Roy who peered outta sheer desire to surpass Kokonoe.

Now, if the Azure is ultimately the natural process for human beings to go through, then perhaps this is ultimately what needs to be done to fix the world of Blazblue. Not complete death like what Izanami craves. Not soulless, porcelain dolls crafted from the deranged mind of a lone scientist. Nor even reset once more so a big tittied witch can hug her adorable sister again. It needs someone to cut all this crap, raze said plans to the ground. In a word: destroyed as it is now so it can start fresh.

Always glad to help when it comes to XBlaze. While I don't remember absolutely everything, I really enjoyed the games and wish more people would actually play it. Correcting the sheer amount of misinformation was what convinced me to join in dustloop in the first place and I might be a bit too obsessed since I wrote about 90% of the XBlaze Tvtropes page (shameless plug) but I'm glad to share the knowledge.

The Azure would still be considered God of XBlaze since XBlaze is part of the same universe, being connected to the Boundary with the same origin. It's only that Es created the World of the Tsukuyomi to seal it off from the Boundary that it became something separate. Theoretically anyone can use the power of the Azure if they have a strong enough soul, that's what a Drive does (pull a piece of the Azure to the soul to manifest the soul's power), it's just that most souls are too weak to maintain their sense of self. Ragna has the Azure Grimoire which already lets him access the True Azure so he should have a leg up on it.

The world can't have a clean reset since someone needs to build a new world after its destruction. That's what the Embryo process is doing. We see Terumi and Relius attempt to do this in CP's true end, absorbing all the souls of humanity together and then using that power to shape the world anew. What I think the world needs is what Ragna is doing, to have everyone stop trying to play god and return things to how they were, letting humanity's possibility decide the future.

[Shinhwa]

I just realized that we don't have all the Act 3 Endings yet D:

[IsItWitty]

Man, I really cannot get Es' new sword out of my head. It's so curious.

 

[Vanagandr]

Hi guy, a newbie here, I'm a fighting game casual, I've finished bbcp for a while and is anxiously waiting for bbcf. I've come across bits and piece of bbcf story online and it's been bugging me to the point that I almost lost sleep over it, almost. It does however made me create an account just to ask this:

WHAT.

THE.

ACTUAL.

FUCK.

It seem that  the story has gone even further down the rabbit hole than it already is (which I naively thought was impossible before), by that I mean it has gone so far down it seem come out on the other side of a completely different universe altogether....

Seriously, Noel is what now?

The hell is Naoto doing here? He's a walking clusterfuck (plotwise).

Where is Tao in all of this?

And apparently ES is going to going to crash the party too ...

Can anybody tell me what happened since the end of bbcp? Just the generally idea of what's going on and maybe where we are (or might) heading to.

PS: Please excuse my English, it's not my first language. 

[BlazGearRegalia]

34 minutes ago, Vanagandr said:

Hi guy, a newbie here, I'm a fighting game casual, I've finished bbcp for a while and is anxiously waiting for bbcf. I've come across bits and piece of bbcf story online and it's been bugging me to the point that I almost lost sleep over it, almost. It does however made me create an account just to ask this:

WHAT.

THE.

ACTUAL.

FUCK.

It seem that  the story has gone even further down the rabbit hole than it already is (which I naively thought was impossible before), by that I mean it has gone so far down it seem come out on the other side of a completely different universe altogether....

Seriously, Noel is what now?

The hell is Naoto doing here? He's a walking clusterfuck (plotwise).

Where is Tao in all of this?

And apparently ES is going to going to crash the party too ...

Can anybody tell me what happened since the end of bbcp? Just the generally idea of what's going on and maybe where we are (or might) heading to.

PS: Please excuse my English, it's not my first language. 

 

To make it all simple:

Nine/Konoe is back but now she's a big boobied witch who wants to end the world. [and crazy for getting little sister Celica back]

Izanami is revealed to be the drive of Amaterasu.

Both of them points most of the cast to kill Noel.

Ragna keeps everyone from trying to kill Noel/fufill their desires.

Naoto got pulled into the mess because his world is in serious trouble.

Es is there to guard the gate to the realm of the gods from everyone who's not Ragna.

 

As for what may be ahead, I can think of one: Es will take Ragna to the realm of the gods where he'll confront the Azure.

 

Anyone is free to correct me or fill in anything I'm missing. [I'm just covering the main points]

[Luminos564]

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

WHAT.

THE.

ACTUAL.

FUCK.

Take a number friend. Most of us here are saying the same exact thing. These 3 acts have been one bombshell after another. The world of BB has boarded the crazy train and ironically, it's Ragna and Taokaka of all people that have their heads on straight. By the time Story Mode expands, I am not even sure what to expect. But as for some of your questions...

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

Seriously, Noel is what now?

From the sound of things, she is the Master Unit Amaterasu's core, by virtue of the fact that she's housing the soul of the entity residing within it. We're not entirely sure exactly when she came to house it, but some of us think it was around the time she was devoured by Berserk Ragna, saw the Gate and then separated herself from Mu-12.

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

The hell is Naoto doing here? He's a walking clusterfuck (plotwise).

Racquel brought him over. She wants him to "save their world" and we've since learned that Naoto's story (Bloodedge Experience) takes place after Blazblue which is stated to be its starting point. He's also overriding Ragna's existence so characters like Valkenhayn and Rachel are telling him to GTFO. Also Haku-men apparently senses "the Dark One" from within Naoto's arm judging by the win quote from their Vs. match.

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

Where is Tao in all of this?

Being a total bro-pal to Ragna by taking on Hazama and protecting Noel at Ragna's behest. She also surprisingly has a good head on her shoulders. I dunno how much you picked up but basically, the characters are aiming at each other's throats (or more specifically, Noel's) in order to be given the opportunity to recreate the world as they see fit by using the Azure. Carl wants his sister restored for instance (like always). Taokaka has a desire too, that being seeing her Kaka clan prosper in wealth and food. But she also admits that if it did happen this way, then it wouldn't be the village she knows and loves, so she has no need to have it granted.

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

And apparently ES is going to going to crash the party too ...

Yup, sure is. She's guarding the Gate that Noel saw and seems like she'll only allow Ragna to pass through it, as it is the will of the Azure itself. Anyone else is going to get up and personal with her sword. For the record, the Gate that she is guarding is the gateway to the "realm of the Gods" or more specifically, the Azure. So obviously letting guys like Terumi through it is a very bad idea.

4 hours ago, Vanagandr said:

Can anybody tell me what happened since the end of bbcp? Just the generally idea of what's going on and maybe where we are (or might) heading to.

At the climax, Izanami made Ragna go berserk. During said fight, he severely injured Jin and "devoured" Noel. She ended up seeing the Gate and separated herself from her Mu-12 (God-slayer) powers. In the meantime, the Embryo that Izanami forged out of Take-Mikazuchi encompassed the characters and messed up their memories so that Act One was mostly a retread of Calamity Trigger, but with differences like Kagura being present as well as Amanohokosaka already being the Imperator. The Embryo is a sort of "pre-construction" world where the characters chosen by the Master Unit, the Entitled, must fight to reshape the world according to their will. Not everyone is an Entitled though. Ragna, Azrael, Arakune and Litchi are not one for instance. According to Nine however, the Embryo was also made so that Ragna becomes a "god" but that hasn't been brought up since.

Act Two is about the cast being shown that even IF they get their hands on the Azure (pieces handed to them by Izanami), their wishes won't come true because the supreme Entitled, Noel, will just overrule them and deny them their wish. So now we're in Act Three where every character is either gunning for Noel, wanting to protect her and others are scheming behind all the chaos. Oh and Ragna has decided to play the "villain" in order to deny the desires of others in order to save them. This includes Nu-13, y'know, the gal that literally stabbed him in the back at the end of CP? Bottom line: it's a mighty mess the world is in and that's not including all the individual people affecting it.

So now you're mostly caught up, excluding reading up on individual arcade runs

[Ogiga99]

9 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Take a number friend. Most of us here are saying the same exact thing. These 3 acts have been one bombshell after another. The world of BB has boarded the crazy train and ironically, it's Ragna and Taokaka of all people that have their heads on straight. By the time Story Mode expands, I am not even sure what to expect. But as for some of your questions...

From the sound of things, she is the Master Unit Amaterasu's core, by virtue of the fact that she's housing the soul of the entity residing within it. We're not entirely sure exactly when she came to house it, but some of us think it was around the time she was devoured by Berserk Ragna, saw the Gate and then separated herself from Mu-12.

Racquel brought him over. She wants him to "save their world" and we've since learned that Naoto's story (Bloodedge Experience) takes place after Blazblue which is stated to be its starting point. He's also overriding Ragna's existence so characters like Valkenhayn and Rachel are telling him to GTFO. Also Haku-men apparently senses "the Dark One" from within Naoto's arm judging by the win quote from their Vs. match.

Being a total bro-pal to Ragna by taking on Hazama and protecting Noel at Ragna's behest. She also surprisingly has a good head on her shoulders. I dunno how much you picked up but basically, the characters are aiming at each other's throats (or more specifically, Noel's) in order to be given the opportunity to recreate the world as they see fit by using the Azure. Carl wants his sister restored for instance (like always). Taokaka has a desire too, that being seeing her Kaka clan prosper in wealth and food. But she also admits that if it did happen this way, then it wouldn't be the village she knows and loves, so she has no need to have it granted.

Yup, sure is. She's guarding the Gate that Noel saw and seems like she'll only allow Ragna to pass through it, as it is the will of the Azure itself. Anyone else is going to get up and personal with her sword. For the record, the Gate that she is guarding is the gateway to the "realm of the Gods" or more specifically, the Azure. So obviously letting guys like Terumi through it is a very bad idea.

At the climax, Izanami made Ragna go berserk. During said fight, he severely injured Jin and "devoured" Noel. She ended up seeing the Gate and separated herself from her Mu-12 (God-slayer) powers. In the meantime, the Embryo that Izanami forged out of Take-Mikazuchi encompassed the characters and messed up their memories so that Act One was mostly a retread of Calamity Trigger, but with differences like Kagura being present as well as Amanohokosaka already being the Imperator. The Embryo is a sort of "pre-construction" world where the characters chosen by the Master Unit, the Entitled, must fight to reshape the world according to their will. Not everyone is an Entitled though. Ragna, Azrael, Arakune and Litchi are not one for instance. According to Nine however, the Embryo was also made so that Ragna becomes a "god" but that hasn't been brought up since.

Act Two is about the cast being shown that even IF they get their hands on the Azure (pieces handed to them by Izanami), their wishes won't come true because the supreme Entitled, Noel, will just overrule them and deny them their wish. So now we're in Act Three where every character is either gunning for Noel, wanting to protect her and others are scheming behind all the chaos. Oh and Ragna has decided to play the "villain" in order to deny the desires of others in order to save them. This includes Nu-13, y'know, the gal that literally stabbed him in the back at the end of CP? Bottom line: it's a mighty mess the world is in and that's not including all the individual people affecting it.

So now you're mostly caught up, excluding reading up on individual arcade runs

Damn that's a good synopsis. Although there are a couple of things I would like to add.

While Ragna and Tao are the most notable cases of suddenly being the sane ones, they are not the only ones. Bang and Makoto are just as focused on what is right and understand what to do as they've always been, Naoto is still the straight shone hero and would be in the same boat if anyone would actually tell him what the hell is going on and Rachel is Team Ragna all the way.

Bloodedge Experience doesn't necessarily take place after BlazBlue chronologically. All we know is that the events of the current world are the, for lack of a better term, "origin" of Naoto's world. Hakumen also says that he can sense the Black Beast from Naoto when he appears in Naoto's Act 3 run.

There seems to be some events that happened in between the end of CP and Act 1. After Ragna spit out Noel there was enough time for Tsubaki's conversation with Rachel in the ending (when Rachel told Tsubaki to kill her if Ragna dies) and for Lambda's Arcade run from Extend. Act 1 starts in media res and apparently Amane is the only one who knows what actually happened to bring all the characters into the Embryo in the first place.

[Stryker115]

Bloodedge Experience is pretty  much just a bridge between XBlaze and BlazBlue anyway

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

Speaking about Makoto, was there any information released about her?

 

[Luminos564]

3 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

There seems to be some events that happened in between the end of CP and Act 1. After Ragna spit out Noel there was enough time for Tsubaki's conversation with Rachel in the ending (when Rachel told Tsubaki to kill her if Ragna dies) and for Lambda's Arcade run from Extend. Act 1 starts in media res and apparently Amane is the only one who knows what actually happened to bring all the characters into the Embryo in the first place.

Now that you mention it, yeah. We have a time period unaccounted for in between CP's climax and Act I. Tsubaki's conversation with Rachel had to have happened pretty soon after Ragna going berserk and spitting Noel out. It was mentioned at that time that Ragna disappeared since Kokonoe sent Tager to look for him while Sector 7 goes about supplying electricity to the now seither-less cities. Then Lamb-chops' ending from Extend had to have happened around a time Noel was healed up and was preparing to "compete" with Rachel on who will find Ragna first. Then right after that, we've hit Act I so there's a bit of a gap in the events.

Though I imagine this is something the story mode would likely fill in since there's probably no way for ASW to explain it via arcade. At least Amane is more talkative about his planning so we can at least expect him to give us the skinny.

Speaking of story mode:

Spoiler

"Psst, Red Devil. You take the 1000 on the left and I'll take the 1000 on the right. Especially that guy with the star-shaped plunger".
"As you wish Grim Reaper".

Joking aside, if Tager's involved then chances are Kokonoe is on Ragna's side. Or maybe they're just in alignment since both want to protect Noel. I imagine this is also a point where Bullet could jump in to provide assistance to her captain.

Spoiler

A better scan. You can see the Black Beast a lot clearer now.

[Toxin45]

Wow that does look like an xblaze version of the Black Beast except with golden eyes.

[Volt]

2 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Now that you mention it, yeah. We have a time period unaccounted for in between CP's climax and Act I. Tsubaki's conversation with Rachel had to have happened pretty soon after Ragna going berserk and spitting Noel out. It was mentioned at that time that Ragna disappeared since Kokonoe sent Tager to look for him while Sector 7 goes about supplying electricity to the now seither-less cities. Then Lamb-chops' ending from Extend had to have happened around a time Noel was healed up and was preparing to "compete" with Rachel on who will find Ragna first. Then right after that, we've hit Act I so there's a bit of a gap in the events.

Though I imagine this is something the story mode would likely fill in since there's probably no way for ASW to explain it via arcade. At least Amane is more talkative about his planning so we can at least expect him to give us the skinny.

Speaking of story mode:

"Psst, Red Devil. You take the 1000 on the left and I'll take the 1000 on the right. Especially that guy with the star-shaped plunger".
"As you wish Grim Reaper".

Joking aside, if Tager's involved then chances are Kokonoe is on Ragna's side. Or maybe they're just in alignment since both want to protect Noel. I imagine this is also a point where Bullet could jump in to provide assistance to her captain.

The weird thing is that Tager wasn't arrested or at least no one mentioned it during the Arcade Acts. Also, lol star-shaped plunger. Blazblue's got some weird weapons but this is just ridiculous.

 

So, Es' home stage got a Black Beast running wild and the remnants of what it looks to be a Hierarchical City. Not the gate or anything that resembles an access to it. What could this mean?

[BlazGearRegalia]

7 minutes ago, Volt said:

The weird thing is that Tager wasn't arrested or at least no one mentioned it during the Arcade Acts. Also, lol star-shaped plunger. Blazblue's got some weird weapons but this is just ridiculous.

 

So, Es' home stage got a Black Beast running wild and the remnants of what it looks to be a Hierarchical City. Not the gate or anything that resembles an access to it. What could this mean?

My thoughts: A Black Beast running wild + floating ruins of a hierarchical city = Welcome to the beginning of the End of the World!

[Luminos564]

3 minutes ago, Volt said:

So, Es' home stage got a Black Beast running wild and the remnants of what it looks to be a Hierarchical City. Not the gate or anything that resembles an access to it. What could this mean?

As someone pointed out in the News and Gameplay thread, the stage looks like a busted up NOL branch. That said, the way the structure is all warped I can draw two impressions:

1. The Black Beast in the background is creating havoc and thus messing up the general space. Remember, we're still (AFAIK) within the Embryo so this twisted landscape could simply be that the Embryo is failing and cannot be maintained anymore.

2. Perhaps the appearance of the Black Beast is causing some kind of temporal phenomenon and time itself is being screwed over.

Either way, no matter how you slice it, that Black Beast is definitely the focus of the stage.

[Zedar90]

6 minutes ago, Volt said:

The weird thing is that Tager wasn't arrested or at least no one mentioned it during the Arcade Acts. Also, lol star-shaped plunger. Blazblue's got some weird weapons but this is just ridiculous.

 

So, Es' home stage got a Black Beast running wild and the remnants of what it looks to be a Hierarchical City. Not the gate or anything that resembles an access to it. What could this mean?

There is nothing that states that Tager is on Ragna's side, especially since the text next to the screen shot in the scan says Ragna is being surrounded by the enemy. The soldiers are likely after Ragna and Tager took the opportunity to run off or something.

There is a gate under every city, so the black beast could have come from there, or the Black Beast is actually Ragna and that fight is non-canon, or Arakune finally became a black beast himself.

[Kenji Harima]

I haven't enough time recently to response... A lot of work and travel... Now I have a lot of reading through many pages.

 

On 3.04.2016 at 4:48 PM, MaximusMurkimus said:

There's still the issue of Saya looking exactly like Noel pre-Izanami, and sharing resemblances with Ragna and Jin; those 3 are definitely related and Noel, only question is "to what capacity"

That's not only problem: the second it's why they have so strong attachment for each other (especially between Noel and Ragna). In Rag's case it's easy -> huge Saya's resemblance, love for sister etc. but Noel except of Saya's childhood memories (which can be in reality memories of "The Girl's soul)  developed her own (some her quotes in both CS and CP and date issue in CP before they went to cauldron in Ibukido). We have also Jin with his hate for sis and Noel and yandere thing toward Ragna. 

I would exclude sibling relationship if Noel wouldn't scream "Nii-sama" near end of CP .

I am not sure if all three of them or better call their predecessors from past/future were sibling but there was certainly a relationship which "soul" experienced in her lifetime.

It seems that only Jin it's probably a human being and Saya and Ragna are artificial created: it wouldn't be surprise cause he probably got a knowledge about events (previous original life of this sibling) from Hades Izanami.

 

I prefer to use "The Girl" or "Soul" instead of "Noel/Original Noel" everywhere because it will be much more confusing.

 

The question it's also if Saya consciousness or her exist it's another piece of "Original Noel" soul or another soul from Boundary. I am more sticking to the first idea.

On 5.04.2016 at 3:23 AM, Toxin45 said:

So since Noel is the original prime field's soul from the master unit that means Noel is not related to ragna Jin or saya since she would be way old

 

Not really. Thanks to Boundary's environment the soul which OPFD gained (hate this term!) might be from distant past or future -> probably there it's a timeline where the "Original Noel" (remember, I am talking about soul of this girl. She might had another name)  was living, had a sibling, lover, close people and died in some tragic conditions. Like we see in the game soul has an ability to keeps memories -> her was enough strong to took OPFD when it had contacted with the Azure, next it's linked with Amaterasu and.... created this mess as parallel of her memory.

We know for what soul can be use, we know that soul can be destroyed permanently but we don't know how the souls are created  (I doubt that it's also power of The Azure because the number of souls won't be infinite) The only known way for now that soul is created when a new being born  (I suppose that's beastkins, vampires etc. also have one, not only humans).

However still don't know one thing -> if many souls are smelted in Cauldron can they provide/create a new strong soul by an accident? The second if the artificial beings might have their own (thanks to smelt process of course or another one)? However it seems that strong soul has the ability to cut in pieces or even reincarnation in some ways.

 

On 12.04.2016 at 5:48 AM, Ogiga99 said:

I hate how everyone singles out Tsubaki to be the crazy one in everything she does, that she is obsessed with JIn to the point of doing anything for him and that she has completely baseless views on justice and morality, when in actuality everything crazy she did was because of Hazama's manipulation or Mind Eater.

In my opinion in Tsubaki case the problem isn't "madness" or her obsession to Jin but that she is so... narrow-minded or a less hard word: blinded in her point of view.

Probably whoever will say to her and whatever will happen she won't change: you reminded this Hazama manipulation but there were another events. There are only four people who can influence on her: Makoto, Noel, Jin and probably Kagura too.

She isn't stupid of course but stubborn -> after all she was cooperating with Ragna and others in much greater goal but she didn't get even a small thought why people who are important to her support, help, cooperate or even like Ragna. She should think more about affairs which are happening in front of her eyes intead of searching the "ultimate evil who it's response of all".

 

23 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Unfortunately the Black Beast has never had a consistent design.

For me it always looks like Lernaean Hydra but in much devilish way. Sad that ancient myth wasn't an inspiration for Mr. Mori cause we get more guesses in Black Beast case.

19 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Remember, Izanami is possessing Saya's body. Izanami herself is Amaterasu's Drive but she is still using Saya's body as a vessel. We learned in her Act 3 mode that Saya has the ability to infinitely amplify seithr and was modified by Relius. She's still there.

I will also add that Hazanami feel Saya's attachment to Ragna. Like I said before the thing which it's interesting if Saya has her own soul or it's another piece of "Original Noel's soul".

 

I have written so many thoughts but still I am feeling that I haven't expanded them enough!

After all I am waiting for Ragna's Act 3 ending.

Really Mori probably was playing a lot of j-rpgs.

 

Btw. Good that Mr. Mori or anyone in Arc System Works didn't get an idea to bring Alter Memory world -> it might sounds funny but some events were other than in CT and CS They were small of course for example: Rachel didn't bit Ragna and we get a scene where we see why Ragna left Noel in their adventure. There also it's a screen where we see Ragna's tattoo precisely on his collar (No. 5).

 

 

 

 

[Fenris]

I've always seen the Black Beast as an amorphous figure with the ability to manifest different forms at will--be they appendages, Dead Spikes, serpentine heads. Any Digimon fans here? Well, the Black Beast's base "form" reminds me of the D-reaper from Digimon Tamers. Its main form, or at least the form it tends to be shown as most often, seems to have been inspired by Yamata-no-Orochi, which was slain by Susano'o in Japanese mythos. Makes sense given the many Shinto parallels the Blazblue series has.

[1337 H@x0r]

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1 hour ago, Luminos564 said:

 

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A better scan. You can see the Black Beast a lot clearer now.

HOLY SHIT! That thing is huge!

Fuck, if that's just one of eight heads it's gonna be a miracle fitting the whole thing into a stage.

[Stryker115]

Is the 

1 hour ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

Well...

really necessary every time you make a post? It's starting to get really annoying...

1 hour ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

Fuck, if that's just one of eight heads it's gonna be a miracle fitting the whole thing into a stage.

If they can make the Take-Mikazuchi fight possible then anything goes

All they need is a REALLY wide stage and scale down the PC characters

 

If anything its the AI I'm more worried about

Not even counting if the Black Beast even has an Astral like the TM