Pauly-kun Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Aww man the party's is gonna be just started. Thinking the Story ending is gonna be either full of feels (happy one maybe) or a sad one (that would be far climatic imo) since it is the end of Ragna's story.
Yoshirocks92 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Well now that October 6th is the Japanese release, what is everyone's guesses on how it'll turn out? For me, I guess it would either have to be that Noel will regain all of her memories as the Master Unit or at least have some backstory as to how Noel came into being like way beyond the beginning but before the events of Calamity Trigger.
1337 H@x0r Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Well... I expect Ragna to become the guardian of the Master Unit and pass up the torch to Naoto. I also expect that someone else more sane and selfless will take Amaterasus driver's seat, my bets are on Celica since she is actually a dying time clone of the original one and she is just too chill with bad shit happening to intervene on reality. That and I want her to flip the bird to Nine for acting like psycho lesbian siscon. Seriously, trying too kill your own daughter out of love for your sister puts you on an even worse league than Carl on my shitlist.
Pauly-kun Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Personally I Expected Noel but it would be too predictable and is Mori's pet so no.
Toxin45 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, Pauly-kun said: Personally I Expected Noel but it would be too predictable and is Mori's pet so no. Well too be fair she technically kinda is or was for that matter the master unit before she escaped or at least that's how some people see it.
Kenji Harima Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 On 18.06.2016 at 1:02 AM, 1337 H@x0r said: I expect Ragna to become the guardian of the Master Unit and pass up the torch to Naoto. Sooner or later Naoto will become an ally of Ragna, Rachel and Amane(?). Surviving of Amaterasu it's necessary for his world as well. However I don't like the idea to see him as the new protagonist but on the other hand if we really need to pick someone from the "cast" he is one of the finest candidate (the second one is Saya). PS. The forum back! I'm happy. Life was a little sad without dustloop.
NoelChan101 Posted June 21, 2016 Posted June 21, 2016 Wait if Bloodedge in Phase 0 was CP Ragna wouldn't that mean that it has actually got past CT a few times but something happened to make it reset all the way back to CT. So maybe Jin has defeated/killed Ragna a few times in these timelines that went passed CT and aims for Noel/Amaterasu who I guess in despair causes a reset before she is "killed" So basically if this is the case than Ragna has to win this time. Or it will start all over again but we will see in the console release.
ChainRevolver Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 On 6/18/2016 at 3:45 AM, Yoshirocks92 said: Well now that October 6th is the Japanese release, what is everyone's guesses on how it'll turn out? For me, I guess it would either have to be that Noel will regain all of her memories as the Master Unit or at least have some backstory as to how Noel came into being like way beyond the beginning but before the events of Calamity Trigger. I'm hoping that she will reassume her position as the Goddess, with Ragna as her guardian/implementor. The two of them can look over the world dearly. Jin can join in, too, to put everything in the world to their respective places.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Let's not jump to conclusions at this rate, we still having around 3-4 months to review what we know about the story here through all the arcades before the Story mode launches.
In&Out Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 What I want to know is why Hazama of all people is so prominently featured on the cover. I mean, not someone like Terumi, Es or even Celica, but him? That probably means he'll play a bigger role in the plot. Really makes one wonder just what he's up to.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 His Act 1, probably... Nine said his wish was a masterpiece, so there is a possibility for him to have something on his sleeve. Plus, he got a scheme with Terumi.
FKGunBlaze Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: His Act 1, probably... Nine said his wish was a masterpiece, so there is a possibility for him to have something on his sleeve. Plus, he got a scheme with Terumi. Adding that he made Terumi HIS pawn this time.
JRH Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Mori said in the interview from April that it would be a good idea to play arcade mode to know the all of the characters' current actions, intentions, and backgrounds since story mode will be centered around Ragna. I am looking forward to Nine's interactions with Ragna and the others after Celica's speech. P.S. I think Terumi's Act 3 might take place after Celica's Act 3 meaning that Celica may have convinced her to believe in Ragna.
Toxin45 Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Well I think Hazama's act 3 takes place after Celica's and Terumi's after Hazama's ending.
JRH Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Toxin45 said: Well I think Hazama's act 3 takes place after Celica's and Terumi's after Hazama's ending. Actually, Hazama's Act 3 takes place after Terumi's ending which is after Celica's ending. In Hazama's Act 3, it is clear that Terumi succeeded in stealing Hihiirokane because he is exhausted from fighting his mirror. Also, Terumi used Celica to make Nine come to confront him about it, despite risking the deprivation of Izanami's ultimate pawn. It is clear to me now that Nine will reform in the middle of the story mode to help Ragna and the others heal the world and I am looking forward to the ending of Central Fiction.
In&Out Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 11 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: His Act 1, probably... Nine said his wish was a masterpiece, so there is a possibility for him to have something on his sleeve. Plus, he got a scheme with Terumi. I know that, yes. I was just wondering what exactly it is, but at this point it could be anything, really. From "I'm still gonna destroy the world and screw everything up, but I'll do it MY way!" to "I was actually planning to undermine the main villains all along just to really drive the whole Gin Ichimaru thing home."
Tokkan Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 16 hours ago, In&Out said: What I want to know is why Hazama of all people is so prominently featured on the cover. I mean, not someone like Terumi, Es or even Celica, but him? That probably means he'll play a bigger role in the plot. Really makes one wonder just what he's up to. Mori stated once on a stream that even though officially there are 3 main characters of BlazBlue (Ragna, Jin and Noel), in his mind Rachel and Hazama are the 4th and 5th main characters.
In&Out Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 45 minutes ago, Tokkan said: Mori stated once on a stream that even though officially there are 3 main characters of BlazBlue (Ragna, Jin and Noel), in his mind Rachel and Hazama are the 4th and 5th main characters. Really? When was that? Since if it was, say, before CP, then he could've meant Terumi.
JRH Posted June 25, 2016 Posted June 25, 2016 Has anyone read Mori's interview from April that is now online because he stated that since story mode will be centered on Ragna, people should play arcade mode to know what the other characters are doing. I think this is why they split the arcade mode into three parts to show the other characters intentions and backgrounds throughout the story mode. I am really looking forward to how they will conclude the Azure saga and seeing Nine help Ragna heal the world.
Yoshirocks92 Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 10 hours ago, JRH said: Has anyone read Mori's interview from April that is now online because he stated that since story mode will be centered on Ragna, people should play arcade mode to know what the other characters are doing. I think this is why they split the arcade mode into three parts to show the other characters intentions and backgrounds throughout the story mode. I am really looking forward to how they will conclude the Azure saga and seeing Nine help Ragna heal the world. Well it is true that it will be centered on Ragna but as of this point, I really want to know what Noel's connection to the Master Unit since that's the thing that's been bugging me since Act 2 came out late January and I hope that the Story Mode gives us some detail as to what is Noel's real origin like before she possessed Mu-12 and how she came to be considering that in the Arcade Mode, Noel separated from Mu-12 and in the latter's Act 3, she wanted to know who Noel was but Noel started to freak out saying that she doesn't want that power until Izanami appeared with the Master Unit since she wanted to return Noel back into her coffin inside the Master Unit since she's The Origin but in Kagura's Act 3, Kokonoe tells him that Noel is part of the Master Unit before correcting herself and saying that Noel is the Master Unit itself but there hasn't been much detail to understand Noel's past in the Arcade Mode but the Story Mode should give us an explanation to what is Noel's True Identity.
NoelChan101 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 The thing is why didn't they go after Noel in CP I mean they were going to straight just kill Amaterasu, without Noel inside what going on with that? Also since Izanami is growing a soul in Saya's body can't Ragna use Soul Eater to pull Izanami out?
Kenji Harima Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 I have been wondering recently if Jinnie's solution is it possible to realise -> the world without god and so (theoretically) without any creatures outside of the Logic. According to his Act 3 ending he wants erase Noel, Izanami and Ragna existence cause mainly "Power of Order" directing him to do it (by PoO "logic" they are mainly distorting whole world. I have exluded for a while several other facts from the game like Noel as "super entitled" etc. Just to mainly focus on Jin). Like we know there is a possibility to destroy (or much more proper word in the BB universe to kill) their souls and turn them into seithr by using Kushinada's Lynchpin. Ok but what with the Master Unit??? I mean the "Unit" not the wielder ("The Girl") so don't be confused. Like we saw in his Act 2 ending he destroyed the small piece of the Azure so he will probably reject this power as well (both the Azure and Sankishin). If he doesn't use Master Unit the world will disappear so his "solution" will end with the same result as Izanami's desire "World of nothingness" or Terumi's "True despair". Why? Because according to Terumi's words in the Continuum Shift Extend (Ragna Story Mode) and Coninuum Shift light novel and finally BlazBlue: Alter Memory episode 11 (I know the anime has an opinion as "terrible/shi*ty/thrash but the story is much more based on the novels than games) the world was destroyed and it seems it was before the Dark War and so it might be not possible to resurrect it (very doubtfully it will happen by Jinnie solution). Seithr is the basic material to create world and living creatures as well. Destroying Master Unit (the device) or send it without a wielder to Nemesis Horizon will turn everything into seithr-state. PoO it's a force to balance "things" by opposing them in the material world not to straighten-up or heal them. Finally this force isn't able to create something new so even if Jin's "Hero" point of view isn't motivating by his personal thoughts and goals it's false because there are several important facts and still many mysteries are waiting so I think we can't point Jin's solution as the absolute true. He and Tsubaki won't become a new Adam and Eve and won't bring a pure, material and non-Azure, non-Seithr related world. However let's suppose that he is going to use Master Unit. Who is he going to put into Sankishin then? Tsubaki? Trinity? Himself? And what with the rest godlike characters like Hakumen and Rachel? They can be perceived as gods as well. On 26.06.2016 at 4:19 AM, Yoshirocks92 said: what is Noel's real origin like before she possessed Mu-12 and how she came to be considering that in the Arcade Mode, I am very curious about Saya's origin too. Her traits which I mentioned in the previous post plus fact that she is the "crystallization of seithr" make me to believe that she is the Zeroth Prime Field Device. Relius maybe didn't create her but only found and took in the Magic Guild. As seithr-being she shouldn't have a soul like Embryos ("crystallization of Azure", both Raquel and Hinata) or other Azure-related beings like Clavis. Black Beast also doesn't have a soul (Saya's abilities might be able to powered up the Black Beast). How did she get in the future? Like I said she may travelled through the Boundary in the same time with Relius after the Kusanagi's smelting process failed up. 2 hours ago, NoelChan101 said: The thing is why didn't they go after Noel in CP I mean they were going to straight just kill Amaterasu, without Noel inside what going on with that? The key in the BB' universe is soul. Noel was needed as "Successor" to bring Master Unit from Nemesis Horizon -> they cheated the Cauldron/Azure by using Nu-13. Villains couldn't kill Noel because they would lose an occasion to bring "Doomsday" and there was still a small possibility that she would do another rewind of time to some point. Possibly fuse between Hazama and Nu-13 might be not able to realise because Nu would probably reject Hazama. By the way both Nine and Relius don't want to destroy Master Unit (the device) but only kill wielder ("The Girl") and replace it. Next they are going to create own world. How long this super entitled soul will exist (Noel) they won't be able to do it. The Azure choices seems to be not changeable. Noel doesn't want all this power but like we see "The Azure" doesn't care lol. I suppose that Ragna (and we as well) finally get the truth in the "world of gods" and it may be a way to save both "The Girl" and Noel.
Ogiga99 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 So here's something that hasn't been discussed. The recent Dengeki interview has this quote from Es (translation courtesy of Zedar). “… I am Es. “Embryo Storage”. The guardian of the Gate of Azure… and the “conciliator”.” So apparently this means Es is still the Embryo Storage. Wouldn't this mean this Es comes from the time between Code: Embryo and Lost: Memories since she becomes human at the end of LM? Otherwise is this Es's original body that got left behind with the Embryo when Es became human? If so, how could that Es even act since it has no soul or memories? Also how does this fit in with her being unable to ever leave the Phantom Field, especially considering Nine is now in control of it confirming the Embryo is still inside it? If this is not a post-LM Es, she won't remember Nine and Celica, so why did they bother creating Watashi and Imouto if Es won't recognize them and if this takes place before LM, Es/Nobody should have been aware of the existence of alternate possibilities? Furthermore, if the Es in CF is from pre-LM, and thus before she became Nobody), shouldn't the memories of those events become Memory Fragments that Watashi would have found, and if that's the case, wouldn't Nine have been able to learn the entire BlazBlue plot and what happens to her in the future)? Does the will of the Azure give her a new Embryo when it makes her the gatekeeper/conciliator? I'm sure will get these answers but at the moment it bothers me. On June 21, 2016 at 5:57 PM, NoelChan101 said: Wait if Bloodedge in Phase 0 was CP Ragna wouldn't that mean that it has actually got past CT a few times but something happened to make it reset all the way back to CT. So maybe Jin has defeated/killed Ragna a few times in these timelines that went passed CT and aims for Noel/Amaterasu who I guess in despair causes a reset before she is "killed" So basically if this is the case than Ragna has to win this time. Or it will start all over again but we will see in the console release. I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. Why does Bloodedge being CP Ragna mean other timelines made it beyond December 31, 2199? By traveling back to Phase 0 in the Time for Decision, CP Ragna made it so that he is the version of Bloodedge in every single Phase of CT and retroactively made it so that this has always been the case (because time travel is weird). Besides, Rachel and Terumi are both unaffected by the Phenomenon Intervention resets and they both make it pretty clear that before CT's True Ending, time never made it into 2200. Jin killing Ragna in those timelines wouldn't actually change anything because the cause of the reset is Take-Mikazuchi nuking Kagutsuchi, which will happen no matter what. Rachel was the only one capable of stopping that since no weapon or ability in the series besides the Tsukuyomi Unit has that kind of power and she explicitly only took that action once. Amaterasu caused the reset because she didn't like this and since that event was a constant fact, there was never a chance for her to be potentially killed in a version of the future. It's made pretty clear that all of the events post CT have never happened before and are a blind run for everyone. 10 hours ago, NoelChan101 said: The thing is why didn't they go after Noel in CP I mean they were going to straight just kill Amaterasu, without Noel inside what going on with that? Also since Izanami is growing a soul in Saya's body can't Ragna use Soul Eater to pull Izanami out? This is exactly why I am convinced that Noel only became Amaterasu's "core" in between CP and CF, with the soul of the The Girl entering her and leaving the Master Unit vacant. The fact that the villains didn't try to do that pretty much says that this wouldn't work and the Master Unit was something separate at the time (also, when Amaterasu emerged from the Nemesis Horizon, Noel yells at it to not come, which says that she is talking to it as something with a separate will from herself). Don't forget, Rachel confirms that the Master Unit's current empty state is a new development since returning it to the Boundary like this will make the world disappear, and since the world obviously existed up till now someone must have been inside it before it emerged in CP's True Ending. That's a very interesting idea. However, I'm a little skeptical if Ragna is capable of doing that. It seems like pulling a soul out of it's body would be pretty difficult, at least against someone with a strong soul like the whole cast. Tenjou seems to be a unique case since he is sealed inside Kushinada's Lynchpin, which is very different from Izanami's status as a goddess inside its vessel, whether she has a soul or not. Also, we only know Ragna's going to use Soul Eater to ask him something, so exactly what that entails is unknown (it might not even fully remove the soul). Plus if Ragna could remove souls from a body wouldn't he have done this before? That seems like a ridiculously powerful ability that could kill pretty much anyone. Why didn't he pull Terumi out of Hazama's body to make him vulnerable? Why didn't he use such a technique against Nu, since that would be able to at least stop her even with the Life Link? This also raises the question of what would happen to Izanami if he removed her? If Soul Eater meant he would absorb her soul into the Azure Grimoire, I can see nothing good coming from that. If he doesn't absorb her, what would stop Izanami from simply returning to her vessel if Saya is still alive? The idea certainly has merit but since we don't know the limits of Soul Eater, that seems like it would be beyond its power. On June 25, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Yoshirocks92 said: Well it is true that it will be centered on Ragna but as of this point, I really want to know what Noel's connection to the Master Unit since that's the thing that's been bugging me since Act 2 came out late January and I hope that the Story Mode gives us some detail as to what is Noel's real origin like before she possessed Mu-12 and how she came to be considering that in the Arcade Mode, Noel separated from Mu-12 and in the latter's Act 3, she wanted to know who Noel was but Noel started to freak out saying that she doesn't want that power until Izanami appeared with the Master Unit since she wanted to return Noel back into her coffin inside the Master Unit since she's The Origin but in Kagura's Act 3, Kokonoe tells him that Noel is part of the Master Unit before correcting herself and saying that Noel is the Master Unit itself but there hasn't been much detail to understand Noel's past in the Arcade Mode but the Story Mode should give us an explanation to what is Noel's True Identity. Centered on Ragna doesn't mean that we won't get answers to plot points involving other characters, since those are still integral to the plot (especially all this Noel stuff). It just means that the story will be mostly from Ragna's perspective so they aren't going to follow the entirety of the other characters' stories and they will probably only receive focus when they are involved in events that Ragna is also part of. When Mori suggested we play Arcade mode to know what other character's are doing, it is probably because Story mode won't dedicate the time to details all of their individual motivations and decisions. They will probably reach their conclusions on their side of the Embryo conflict (protect Noel, kill Noel, collect Nox, try to gain the Azure) offscreen since we saw that in detailed in Arcade Mode. Basically, when Hibiki pops up in the new events he will already be trying to kill Noel and Carl will show up after his descent into Relius Jr. Honestly I doubt the format will be that different from CP's story. On June 22, 2016 at 3:13 AM, ChainRevolver said: I'm hoping that she will reassume her position as the Goddess, with Ragna as her guardian/implementor. The two of them can look over the world dearly. Jin can join in, too, to put everything in the world to their respective places. I can't see Noel keeping god status. Mori has stated that she will get her happy ending and I don't think being forced to act as a god outside of the world is very happy. She'll need to avoid her fate of death and get her wish (without the Azure) of living happily alongside her friends. Amane plans to have someone else take her place and since his plan is presented as something of the "third option" solution that screws destiny, I expect that to be the case. On June 17, 2016 at 7:02 PM, 1337 H@x0r said: I expect Ragna to become the guardian of the Master Unit and pass up the torch to Naoto. Passing the torch to Naoto is highly improbable. Naoto cannot stay in the current world forever and his goal is to restore the possibilities so he can return to his original world. Unless the entire plot switches to following the Bloodedge Experience timeline (axing 95% of the playable cast) Naoto can't be the new protagonist. I'm pretty sure after this game he and Es will return to their timelines and leave the upcoming events of the world in the hands of the people currently living in it. In fact I see most of the characters who are called "ghosts of the past" (Hakumen, Valkenhayn, possibly Relius, Terumi, Celica, Nine, Jubei, Trinity etc.) to leave the stage in some way (maybe even die). 8 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: However let's suppose that he is going to use Master Unit. Who is he going to put into Sankishin then? Tsubaki? Trinity? Himself? And what with the rest godlike characters like Hakumen and Rachel? They can be perceived as gods as well. Jin won't use the Master Unit. The Master Unit is a god and he wants a world without gods. Clearly he thinks that there is some way to keep the world existing without Amaterasu's Observation so he must have a plan for that. I don't think Hakumen and Rachel can be considered gods. The only characters currently referred to as gods are Amaterasu, Izanami and the Black Beast. Izanami mentions more gods outside of the Logic but that doesn't necessarily mean all being outside of the Logic are considered gods. Rachel is/was an Onlookers chosen to observe human possibility by the word itself, so she is not a distortion and being immune to Phenomenon Intervention isn't enough to be considered godly in my opinion. If you're referring to them having the other two Sankishin units, those aren't considered gods either, just incredibly powerful weapons. Amaterasu is a god because of its ability to use Phenomenon Intervention (referred to as the Power of God) on pretty much everything, not because it is one of the Sankishin. 8 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: I am very curious about Saya's origin too. Her traits which I mentioned in the previous post plus fact that she is the "crystallization of seithr" make me to believe that she is the Zeroth Prime Field Device. Relius maybe didn't create her but only found and took in the Magic Guild. As seithr-being she shouldn't have a soul like Embryos ("crystallization of Azure", both Raquel and Hinata) or other Azure-related beings like Clavis. Black Beast also doesn't have a soul (Saya's abilities might be able to powered up the Black Beast). How did she get in the future? Like I said she may travelled through the Boundary in the same time with Relius after the Kusanagi's smelting process failed up. Where does it say she's a "crystallization of seithr?" All we know is that she's made of seithr like a Prime Field (which come to think of it, doesn't make sense since the entire world is made of seithr so theoretically all humans should be made of seithr as well). Also, forgive me if I'm wrong since the whole thing with the Original Prime Fields is very contradictory but wasn't the Zeroth Prime Field a failure that never got retrieved from the Boundary? I thought it was the First Prime Field that became the Eye of the Azure and got a soul. Plus Relius is heavily implied to have been the one to create the Zeroth Unit. Side note but Hinata is different from Raquel. Hinata was a normal human who was kidnapped by Takamagahara (the organization) and implanted with the Embryo in their experiments. Her soul has nothing to do with the Embryo since she wasn't created from it like Raquel was (it's why she still has a soul after Es inherits the Embryo). Can we really say the Black Beast doesn't have a soul? The one in the Dark War was created by a fusion of Ragna and Nu, so shouldn't it inherit their souls (plus any others it absorbs via Soul Eater)? At the very least since a Nox Nyctores is a mini-Black Beast, it also has a core made out of souls, which should work the same. Plus both the Nox and the Black Beast have wills of their own and are sapient (the Black Beast uses military tactics in the Dark War) so it likely has a soul. 9 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: By the way both Nine and Relius don't want to destroy Master Unit (the device) but only kill wielder ("The Girl") and replace it. Next they are going to create own world. How long this super entitled soul will exist (Noel) they won't be able to do it. Actually, they do want to destroy the Amaterasu Unit itself. Nine says as much in her Act 3 ending, wanting to complete Take-Mikazuchi and have it absorb all of the seithr from the Embryo itself to destroy the Master Unit. Relius intends to destroy it and turn Ignis into a completely new Master Unit, not just plug her into the existing one. Replacing Amaterasu to create a new world requires destroying the current one first. It seems they need to both kill Noel (the Origin) and destroy the Unit itself (presumably because someone else could still use it because it's empty like Amane intends to). Izanami wanting Noel to return to her "coffin" and people trying to destroy the Origin's vessel with Kushinada's Lynchpin (which would likely cause the soul to return to Amaterasu) suggest that destroying the Master Unit itself is the ultimate endgame, and The Origin jumping ship to Noel was a defensive maneuver. It's also likely that the Tsukuyomi Unit is still protecting Amaterasu preventing anyone from damaging it. I wouldn't be surprised if Nine needs the complete Take-Mikazuchi to use all of the seithr from the Embryo (which I'm pretty sure includes all of the souls of humanity) because that is the only thing that could possibly be strong enough to break through Tsukuyomi's god-tier barrier (assuming Rachel can even keep it going that long). Sorry for rambling on so much everybody. It's been a while and I had a lot to say.
JRH Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 Guys, Amane rebooted Takamagahara in Act 2 probably so that they can observe the world to keep it from disappearing without Amaterasu. Why would he do that if they wanted to inherit the azure or have they given up on that? P.S. Mori also stated that Celica would get a happy ending so I don't think there is a definite possibility Nine will die. Also since her interaction with Celica in Act 3 will not be shown in story mode, Ragna will be very surprised to hear her ask him to heal the world that Celica loves because she wants to have faith in him like she did once before.
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