Toxin45 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: So here's something that hasn't been discussed. The recent Dengeki interview has this quote from Es (translation courtesy of Zedar). “… I am Es. “Embryo Storage”. The guardian of the Gate of Azure… and the “conciliator”.” So apparently this means Es is still the Embryo Storage. Wouldn't this mean this Es comes from the time between Code: Embryo and Lost: Memories since she becomes human at the end of LM? Otherwise is this Es's original body that got left behind with the Embryo when Es became human? If so, how could that Es even act since it has no soul or memories? Also how does this fit in with her being unable to ever leave the Phantom Field, especially considering Nine is now in control of it confirming the Embryo is still inside it? If this is not a post-LM Es, she won't remember Nine and Celica, so why did they bother creating Watashi and Imouto if Es won't recognize them and if this takes place before LM, Es/Nobody should have been aware of the existence of alternate possibilities? Furthermore, if the Es in CF is from pre-LM, and thus before she became Nobody), shouldn't the memories of those events become Memory Fragments that Watashi would have found, and if that's the case, wouldn't Nine have been able to learn the entire BlazBlue plot and what happens to her in the future)? Does the will of the Azure give her a new Embryo when it makes her the gatekeeper/conciliator? I'm sure will get these answers but at the moment it bothers me. I'm not sure what exactly you're saying. Why does Bloodedge being CP Ragna mean other timelines made it beyond December 31, 2199? By traveling back to Phase 0 in the Time for Decision, CP Ragna made it so that he is the version of Bloodedge in every single Phase of CT and retroactively made it so that this has always been the case (because time travel is weird). Besides, Rachel and Terumi are both unaffected by the Phenomenon Intervention resets and they both make it pretty clear that before CT's True Ending, time never made it into 2200. Jin killing Ragna in those timelines wouldn't actually change anything because the cause of the reset is Take-Mikazuchi nuking Kagutsuchi, which will happen no matter what. Rachel was the only one capable of stopping that since no weapon or ability in the series besides the Tsukuyomi Unit has that kind of power and she explicitly only took that action once. Amaterasu caused the reset because she didn't like this and since that event was a constant fact, there was never a chance for her to be potentially killed in a version of the future. It's made pretty clear that all of the events post CT have never happened before and are a blind run for everyone. This is exactly why I am convinced that Noel only became Amaterasu's "core" in between CP and CF, with the soul of the The Girl entering her and leaving the Master Unit vacant. The fact that the villains didn't try to do that pretty much says that this wouldn't work and the Master Unit was something separate at the time (also, when Amaterasu emerged from the Nemesis Horizon, Noel yells at it to not come, which says that she is talking to it as something with a separate will from herself). Don't forget, Rachel confirms that the Master Unit's current empty state is a new development since returning it to the Boundary like this will make the world disappear, and since the world obviously existed up till now someone must have been inside it before it emerged in CP's True Ending. That's a very interesting idea. However, I'm a little skeptical if Ragna is capable of doing that. It seems like pulling a soul out of it's body would be pretty difficult, at least against someone with a strong soul like the whole cast. Tenjou seems to be a unique case since he is sealed inside Kushinada's Lynchpin, which is very different from Izanami's status as a goddess inside its vessel, whether she has a soul or not. Also, we only know Ragna's going to use Soul Eater to ask him something, so exactly what that entails is unknown (it might not even fully remove the soul). Plus if Ragna could remove souls from a body wouldn't he have done this before? That seems like a ridiculously powerful ability that could kill pretty much anyone. Why didn't he pull Terumi out of Hazama's body to make him vulnerable? Why didn't he use such a technique against Nu, since that would be able to at least stop her even with the Life Link? This also raises the question of what would happen to Izanami if he removed her? If Soul Eater meant he would absorb her soul into the Azure Grimoire, I can see nothing good coming from that. If he doesn't absorb her, what would stop Izanami from simply returning to her vessel if Saya is still alive? The idea certainly has merit but since we don't know the limits of Soul Eater, that seems like it would be beyond its power. Centered on Ragna doesn't mean that we won't get answers to plot points involving other characters, since those are still integral to the plot (especially all this Noel stuff). It just means that the story will be mostly from Ragna's perspective so they aren't going to follow the entirety of the other characters' stories and they will probably only receive focus when they are involved in events that Ragna is also part of. When Mori suggested we play Arcade mode to know what other character's are doing, it is probably because Story mode won't dedicate the time to details all of their individual motivations and decisions. They will probably reach their conclusions on their side of the Embryo conflict (protect Noel, kill Noel, collect Nox, try to gain the Azure) offscreen since we saw that in detailed in Arcade Mode. Basically, when Hibiki pops up in the new events he will already be trying to kill Noel and Carl will show up after his descent into Relius Jr. Honestly I doubt the format will be that different from CP's story. I can't see Noel keeping god status. Mori has stated that she will get her happy ending and I don't think being forced to act as a god outside of the world is very happy. She'll need to avoid her fate of death and get her wish (without the Azure) of living happily alongside her friends. Amane plans to have someone else take her place and since his plan is presented as something of the "third option" solution that screws destiny, I expect that to be the case. Passing the torch to Naoto is highly improbable. Naoto cannot stay in the current world forever and his goal is to restore the possibilities so he can return to his original world. Unless the entire plot switches to following the Bloodedge Experience timeline (axing 95% of the playable cast) Naoto can't be the new protagonist. I'm pretty sure after this game he and Es will return to their timelines and leave the upcoming events of the world in the hands of the people currently living in it. In fact I see most of the characters who are called "ghosts of the past" (Hakumen, Valkenhayn, possibly Relius, Terumi, Celica, Nine, Jubei, Trinity etc.) to leave the stage in some way (maybe even die). Jin won't use the Master Unit. The Master Unit is a god and he wants a world without gods. Clearly he thinks that there is some way to keep the world existing without Amaterasu's Observation so he must have a plan for that. I don't think Hakumen and Rachel can be considered gods. The only characters currently referred to as gods are Amaterasu, Izanami and the Black Beast. Izanami mentions more gods outside of the Logic but that doesn't necessarily mean all being outside of the Logic are considered gods. Rachel is/was an Onlookers chosen to observe human possibility by the word itself, so she is not a distortion and being immune to Phenomenon Intervention isn't enough to be considered godly in my opinion. If you're referring to them having the other two Sankishin units, those aren't considered gods either, just incredibly powerful weapons. Amaterasu is a god because of its ability to use Phenomenon Intervention (referred to as the Power of God) on pretty much everything, not because it is one of the Sankishin. Where does it say she's a "crystallization of seithr?" All we know is that she's made of seithr like a Prime Field (which come to think of it, doesn't make sense since the entire world is made of seithr so theoretically all humans should be made of seithr as well). Also, forgive me if I'm wrong since the whole thing with the Original Prime Fields is very contradictory but wasn't the Zeroth Prime Field a failure that never got retrieved from the Boundary? I thought it was the First Prime Field that became the Eye of the Azure and got a soul. Plus Relius is heavily implied to have been the one to create the Zeroth Unit. Side note but Hinata is different from Raquel. Hinata was a normal human who was kidnapped by Takamagahara (the organization) and implanted with the Embryo in their experiments. Her soul has nothing to do with the Embryo since she wasn't created from it like Raquel was (it's why she still has a soul after Es inherits the Embryo). Can we really say the Black Beast doesn't have a soul? The one in the Dark War was created by a fusion of Ragna and Nu, so shouldn't it inherit their souls (plus any others it absorbs via Soul Eater)? At the very least since a Nox Nyctores is a mini-Black Beast, it also has a core made out of souls, which should work the same. Plus both the Nox and the Black Beast have wills of their own and are sapient (the Black Beast uses military tactics in the Dark War) so it likely has a soul. Actually, they do want to destroy the Amaterasu Unit itself. Nine says as much in her Act 3 ending, wanting to complete Take-Mikazuchi and have it absorb all of the seithr from the Embryo itself to destroy the Master Unit. Relius intends to destroy it and turn Ignis into a completely new Master Unit, not just plug her into the existing one. Replacing Amaterasu to create a new world requires destroying the current one first. It seems they need to both kill Noel (the Origin) and destroy the Unit itself (presumably because someone else could still use it because it's empty like Amane intends to). Izanami wanting Noel to return to her "coffin" and people trying to destroy the Origin's vessel with Kushinada's Lynchpin (which would likely cause the soul to return to Amaterasu) suggest that destroying the Master Unit itself is the ultimate endgame, and The Origin jumping ship to Noel was a defensive maneuver. It's also likely that the Tsukuyomi Unit is still protecting Amaterasu preventing anyone from damaging it. I wouldn't be surprised if Nine needs the complete Take-Mikazuchi to use all of the seithr from the Embryo (which I'm pretty sure includes all of the souls of humanity) because that is the only thing that could possibly be strong enough to break through Tsukuyomi's god-tier barrier (assuming Rachel can even keep it going that long). Sorry for rambling on so much everybody. It's been a while and I had a lot to say. Tokkan already said that kokonoe never ever referred to Noel as the vessel for the girl never had she said she was her vessel. Didn't tokkan disproven your theroy?
Yoshirocks92 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 37 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: Centered on Ragna doesn't mean that we won't get answers to plot points involving other characters, since those are still integral to the plot (especially all this Noel stuff). It just means that the story will be mostly from Ragna's perspective so they aren't going to follow the entirety of the other characters' stories and they will probably only receive focus when they are involved in events that Ragna is also part of. When Mori suggested we play Arcade mode to know what other character's are doing, it is probably because Story mode won't dedicate the time to details all of their individual motivations and decisions. They will probably reach their conclusions on their side of the Embryo conflict (protect Noel, kill Noel, collect Nox, try to gain the Azure) offscreen since we saw that in detailed in Arcade Mode. Basically, when Hibiki pops up in the new events he will already be trying to kill Noel and Carl will show up after his descent into Relius Jr. Honestly I doubt the format will be that different from CP's story. I know, it's just that this is one of those questions that needs to be answered since I feel like I needed to know everything because it's like a very complicated math problem and I've been trying to get as much of the limited knowledge as I can get.
Ogiga99 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, Toxin45 said: Tokkan already said that kokonoe never ever referred to Noel as the vessel for the girl never had she said she was her vessel. Didn't tokkan disproven your theroy? Tokkan only said that it was never outright confirmed that the person called Noel is a vessel, and that it is only speculation. However he never disproved my theory. Let's look at everything we know about this. Noel is referred to as the Master Unit's "core." Noel is "The Origin" who is supposed to return to the Master Unit (her "coffin"). The person currently being referred to as "Noel" is considered a god just like Izanami. The Prime Field body of the person currently being referred to as "Noel" (the body of Mu-12) is a vessel of some kind, in the same matter as Saya is a vessel for Izanami. The Master Unit is currently empty and if it returns through the Nemesis Horizon in the state the world will most likely disappear. All of these things are only confirmed to be true during the events of Central Fiction. We do not know if any of these have been true from the beginning or have only happened recently. I was wrong in it being confirmed that Noel is the vessel of "The Origin" and that The Origin refers to the soul of the girl inside Amaterasu. However, it is still confirmed that the body of Noel is a vessel. The problem I had was a distinction between the actual person "Noel" being a vessel (implying that what makes her Amaterasu is separate) and just the body of the person referred to as Noel being a vessel (meaning the Prime Field body itself, is a vessel, without factoring the person we see as Noel). Kokonoe's wording is very vague when it comes to how she addresses Noel since she just refers to Noel as one thing without specifying the details. We don't know what exactly it is a vessel of, whether the current "Noel" referred to as a god is the soul of the person inside the Master Unit or a separate soul of its own with the Amaterasu soul simply taking residence, whether the Noel/Mu split has anything to do with who the current Noel is or if the Noel from the previous games comes from either of these versions or whether the playable character Noel has always been a god/Amaterasu's core/The Origin. Without the answers to those questions, my theory that at some point either in between CP and CF or during CF the soul of the girl inside Amaterasu (which would be considered it's "core") left the Master Unit and started using Noel's body as a vessel, thus making Noel the god we currently see. We don't even know for sure what Noel being the Master Unit's "core" and being "The Origin" actually means. Perhaps it could be some kind of different relationship and the soul of the girl inside the Master Unit (which at the very least we know is something that exists in some way) is not related to Noel being the core (although I don't see how that would be the case since Kokonoe seems to be implying that Noel follows the same principles as Izanami). Basically, the only things we can say for sure at the moment is that in one way or another, Noel = Amaterasu's core and Noel's body = vessel, but the details of what that means and when that happened have not yet been explained. Plus, if this is not the case, then how can we explain Rachel's statement about the world disappearing if the (currently empty) Master Unit returns to the Boundary? Assuming Amaterasu being empty and Noel's seemingly sudden godhood are directly linked (and I don't he how they couldn't be), if Noel was always Amaterasu the world shouldn't have existed for the whole series because empty Master Unit + in Boundary = no Observation and thus no world. Also, how do we explain Mu being split? Mu is not Amaterasu (Izanami has no interest in her) so clearly Mu has her own soul and identity separate from whatever makes Noel The Origin (and since Mu remembers everything from the previous games, that means the current Mu is probably the "Noel" who we saw from CT-CP). Furthermore, if Noel was already Amaterasu's core before now (either when she survived Ibukido or when she become the Successor of the Azure), why would Amaterasu need to move closer to the real world to use Phenomenon Intervention in CP if it was already there (and how could the Master Unit undo events that Noel wasn't present for, like saving Ragna from Nu, since Noel isn't omniscient and can't view the world from outside)? If Celica is a Chrono Phantasma who cannot be Observed by Amaterasu, how could Noel have seen her at all and spoke to her? There are plenty more issues and plot holes that pop up from having a situation aside from Amaterasu jumping ship to Noel recently so unless there are some ridiculous elements that we do not know of yet that can somehow explain this, nothing else makes sense. If you have another way to solve these problems I'm all ears, but nothing Kokonoe says disproves my theory.
Toxin45 Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 38 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: Tokkan only said that it was never outright confirmed that the person called Noel is a vessel, and that it is only speculation. However he never disproved my theory. Let's look at everything we know about this. Noel is referred to as the Master Unit's "core." Noel is "The Origin" who is supposed to return to the Master Unit (her "coffin"). The person currently being referred to as "Noel" is considered a god just like Izanami. The Prime Field body of the person currently being referred to as "Noel" (the body of Mu-12) is a vessel of some kind, in the same matter as Saya is a vessel for Izanami. The Master Unit is currently empty and if it returns through the Nemesis Horizon in the state the world will most likely disappear. All of these things are only confirmed to be true during the events of Central Fiction. We do not know if any of these have been true from the beginning or have only happened recently. I was wrong in it being confirmed that Noel is the vessel of "The Origin" and that The Origin refers to the soul of the girl inside Amaterasu. However, it is still confirmed that the body of Noel is a vessel. The problem I had was a distinction between the actual person "Noel" being a vessel (implying that what makes her Amaterasu is separate) and just the body of the person referred to as Noel being a vessel (meaning the Prime Field body itself, is a vessel, without factoring the person we see as Noel). Kokonoe's wording is very vague when it comes to how she addresses Noel since she just refers to Noel as one thing without specifying the details. We don't know what exactly it is a vessel of, whether the current "Noel" referred to as a god is the soul of the person inside the Master Unit or a separate soul of its own with the Amaterasu soul simply taking residence, whether the Noel/Mu split has anything to do with who the current Noel is or if the Noel from the previous games comes from either of these versions or whether the playable character Noel has always been a god/Amaterasu's core/The Origin. Without the answers to those questions, my theory that at some point either in between CP and CF or during CF the soul of the girl inside Amaterasu (which would be considered it's "core") left the Master Unit and started using Noel's body as a vessel, thus making Noel the god we currently see. We don't even know for sure what Noel being the Master Unit's "core" and being "The Origin" actually means. Perhaps it could be some kind of different relationship and the soul of the girl inside the Master Unit (which at the very least we know is something that exists in some way) is not related to Noel being the core (although I don't see how that would be the case since Kokonoe seems to be implying that Noel follows the same principles as Izanami). Basically, the only things we can say for sure at the moment is that in one way or another, Noel = Amaterasu's core and Noel's body = vessel, but the details of what that means and when that happened have not yet been explained. Plus, if this is not the case, then how can we explain Rachel's statement about the world disappearing if the (currently empty) Master Unit returns to the Boundary? Assuming Amaterasu being empty and Noel's seemingly sudden godhood are directly linked (and I don't he how they couldn't be), if Noel was always Amaterasu the world shouldn't have existed for the whole series because empty Master Unit + in Boundary = no Observation and thus no world. Also, how do we explain Mu being split? Mu is not Amaterasu (Izanami has no interest in her) so clearly Mu has her own soul and identity separate from whatever makes Noel The Origin (and since Mu remembers everything from the previous games, that means the current Mu is probably the "Noel" who we saw from CT-CP). Furthermore, if Noel was already Amaterasu's core before now (either when she survived Ibukido or when she become the Successor of the Azure), why would Amaterasu need to move closer to the real world to use Phenomenon Intervention in CP if it was already there (and how could the Master Unit undo events that Noel wasn't present for, like saving Ragna from Nu, since Noel isn't omniscient and can't view the world from outside)? If Celica is a Chrono Phantasma who cannot be Observed by Amaterasu, how could Noel have seen her at all and spoke to her? There are plenty more issues and plot holes that pop up from having a situation aside from Amaterasu jumping ship to Noel recently so unless there are some ridiculous elements that we do not know of yet that can somehow explain this, nothing else makes sense. If you have another way to solve these problems I'm all ears, but nothing Kokonoe says disproves my theory. I mean Kokonoe meant that the prime fields are "noel"'s vessel and Mu-12 tries to ask who Noel really is in her act 3 showing that not even mu is sure what Noel is. I think Noel possesed Mu-12 in CT and gave herself amneisa plus the world is referred to as the girl's dream so Noel's dreams affects the world. Plus she is still linked to the Master Unit and subconsciously still can use it. Noel was pretty much the dominate one in Mu. Also Noel is an obvserver and thus can't be killed though normal means but Mu can. Also I think this Es is her original body controlled by the Azure's will.
BlazGearRegalia Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 We're still speculating? How curious! Wait, no it isn't... 17 hours ago, Ogiga99 said: So here's something that hasn't been discussed. The recent Dengeki interview has this quote from Es (translation courtesy of Zedar). “… I am Es. “Embryo Storage”. The guardian of the Gate of Azure… and the “conciliator”.” So apparently this means Es is still the Embryo Storage. Wouldn't this mean this Es comes from the time between Code: Embryo and Lost: Memories since she becomes human at the end of LM? Otherwise is this Es's original body that got left behind with the Embryo when Es became human? If so, how could that Es even act since it has no soul or memories? Also how does this fit in with her being unable to ever leave the Phantom Field, especially considering Nine is now in control of it confirming the Embryo is still inside it? If this is not a post-LM Es, she won't remember Nine and Celica, so why did they bother creating Watashi and Imouto if Es won't recognize them and if this takes place before LM, Es/Nobody should have been aware of the existence of alternate possibilities? Furthermore, if the Es in CF is from pre-LM, and thus before she became Nobody), shouldn't the memories of those events become Memory Fragments that Watashi would have found, and if that's the case, wouldn't Nine have been able to learn the entire BlazBlue plot and what happens to her in the future)? Does the will of the Azure give her a new Embryo when it makes her the gatekeeper/conciliator? I'm sure will get these answers but at the moment it bothers me. Good question! I had the crazy thought that if it's just her body that the Azure might be controlling it in some way, although giving her a new Embryo seems like the more probable route. 17 hours ago, Ogiga99 said: Can we really say the Black Beast doesn't have a soul? The one in the Dark War was created by a fusion of Ragna and Nu, so shouldn't it inherit their souls (plus any others it absorbs via Soul Eater)? At the very least since a Nox Nyctores is a mini-Black Beast, it also has a core made out of souls, which should work the same. Plus both the Nox and the Black Beast have wills of their own and are sapient (the Black Beast uses military tactics in the Dark War) so it likely has a soul Forgive me if I'm mixing things up, but if the Black Beast were to inherit Ragna and Nu's souls, wouldn't it lead to a conflict in itself where the two would clash because they have opposing wills, and if the same case were to apply to when Ragna became one on his own, wouldn't he have been able to will the Black Beast to at least stop? And wait, how can it use military tactics!? No wait, let me guess: it can gain the experience of those it consumes? 17 hours ago, Ogiga99 said: Jin won't use the Master Unit. The Master Unit is a god and he wants a world without gods. Clearly he thinks that there is some way to keep the world existing without Amaterasu's Observation so he must have a plan for that. Honestly, it feels like whatever Jin is trying to do, it's gonna screw him out of his own game. If there was a way for the world to exist without observation, wouldn't it have been already presented in some way shape or form? But I won't really delve into that deeply, cause my mind is already focused on what plan does Ragna have up his sleeve and how is Hazama gonna become a real boy, and given this game is all about shoving a gigantic nail up destiny's ass, I shall quote: "When there's a will, there's a way."
NoelChan101 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 New trailer out for BBCF and at 1:00 you can see the ES thing on the Girl Tsubaki (Izayoi) fighting Nu Celica calling out for someone Ragna VS Nine
Luminos564 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, NoelChan101 said: New trailer out for BBCF and at 1:00 you can see the ES thing on the Girl Tsubaki (Izayoi) fighting Nu Celica calling out for someone Ragna VS Nine There's also Ragna doing an epic fist clash with Terumi within what looks like a void where the Azure exists. That's so anime, I just shat out Shonen Jump. Come to think of it, it seems the trailer set-up all the grudge matches that we're likely to expect (or not, since trailers can often lie). But we've got, Ragna vs. Terumi, Tager vs. Bullet, Tsubaki (as Izayoi) vs. Nu-13, Ragna vs. Nine, Kagura and Jin vs. Azrael (Azzu-nyan is a big boy, he can handle it), Valkenhayn vs. Relius and lastly Arakune vs. Litchi (she's crying, so I assume she's finally decided to put down the sentient sludge for good). Last thing of note, either I am hearing things but Tsubaki refers to Ragna as a "King of Death / Death King". It's her first line after Jin says something I cannot even begin to make sense of. Her line goes something like (and I'll apologise for not being able to write kanji out) "Ragna the Bloodedge...yahari anata wa shii'ou dekinai". Though, maybe it's better to wait for someone who knows the language to give out the details.
Kenji Harima Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 3 hours ago, NoelChan101 said: w trailer out for BBCF and at 1:00 you can see the ES thing on the Girl Where is the "Es Thing"??? Enjoy: Spoiler So... "The Girl" except of left arm has also scars on left leg and from hip to stomach. Definitely longer hair than in act's previews and it seems that Ragna statement made in his Act 3's ending was right -> She is the woman. "Time to rebel against the end" eh? Ragna is still reffering himself as the "World's enemy" --------------------- On 27.06.2016 at 10:14 PM, Ogiga99 said: Jin won't use the Master Unit. The Master Unit is a god and he wants a world without gods. Clearly he thinks that there is some way to keep the world existing without Amaterasu's Observation so he must have a plan for that. I don't think Hakumen and Rachel can be considered gods. The only characters currently referred to as gods are Amaterasu, Izanami and the Black Beast. Izanami mentions more gods outside of the Logic but that doesn't necessarily mean all being outside of the Logic are considered gods I would say that Trinity has a plan. I won't stick with an idea that „Power of Order” might have suggested him a possible solution. I didn't mean that „all being outside of the Logic are considered gods” My statement might be too much „general” but in details I was thinking that mainly all beings outside of the Logic are related to seithr and Azure. If Jinnie wants to erase any „fantasy” from the world then he should also rethink a way how to seal Cauldrons, all Sankishin, Magic and maybe even limit human mind and soul to some point in goal to avoid potentially new conflict. However we still don't know with „which” mankind were fighting in the „Age of Origin” and „ancient times”. On 27.06.2016 at 10:14 PM, Ogiga99 said: Where does it say she's a "crystallization of seithr?" All we know is that she's made of seithr like a Prime Field (which come to think of it, doesn't make sense since the entire world is made of seithr so theoretically all humans should be made of seithr as well). Also, forgive me if I'm wrong since the whole thing with the Original Prime Fields is very contradictory but wasn't the Zeroth Prime Field a failure that never got retrieved from the Boundary? I thought it was the First Prime Field that became the Eye of the Azure and got a soul. Plus Relius is heavily implied to have been the one to create the Zeroth Unit. 1) Forgive me friend but I am not able to bring for you any reliable source . I was sure that it was stated by Rachel in the „Chronophantasma” thus I rewatch all 13 hours of story yesterday (japanese voices, english subs) to post a proper screen. Unfortunately I didn't see and hear as well any potential statement. Honestly Zedar brought this information first here. However it might be not enough for you and it's understandable. It seems that I need to check BBCPMC (Material Collection) so a battle with dictionary is going to happen. 2) Maybe we should clear up something about Prime Field Devices + add some informations from MC (Material Collections) and novels: a) Original Prime Field Device – Zeroth type. A failure, yes and like you said it somehow got a soul but nothing was stated that it became the „Eye of the Azure” or contacted with Master Unit. However according to Terumi's words in the Continuum Shift: "See, when it grew a soul, this prime field also developed the power of the Eye." (He was reffering to the 1st who contacted with Master Unit due to humanity experiments) it also should have a „power of the Eye”. It was a base probably for the rest of PFDs. In my theory it took a nice time travel through the Boundary. b) 1st Prime Field Device – the Prime Field Device which got in contact with Master Unit, possessed „Power of the Eye”, brought a lot of data (The Takamagahara System was created) and finally got destroyed (not the same as killed) by Zero-Type Izayoi and dumped in the Boundary. c) The Origin – the original toucher, the first being which ever contacted with Master Unit and became a wielder as well. Probably the Prime Field Device but thanks to several „acts 2” it seems that is a Murakumo Type PFD. It is making everything much more confusing because the first Murakumo was created AFTER all events with 1st Prime Field Device and Murakumos aren't soulless. Logic forces to think (how terrible statement made by me) that 1st Prime Field Device = „The Girl” and so „The Origin” not another PFD. Es' case was different but it seems that there might be several beings which possess „power of the Eye” but it doesn't make you automatically the „Successor” or/and „Successor” tittle doesn't force you to be a next wielder of Master Unit as well. However I have exluded conditions within the Boundary (time intersect) and possibly limited power to rewrite only 100 years. Of course in the main story something might be changed. 3) Seithr is still a mystery. It might be a basic material from the very beginning or it might be manmade creation as well. However because both Rachel and Amane are caring so much about Master Unit existence I think that even if humanity don't turn into seithr-state the world will turn and it won't take any shape. Maybe some gas-phase(?) like seithr naturally is.
NoelChan101 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said: Where is the "Es Thing"??? The ES thing is near the scar on her hip also at 1:23 you can see Noel and Mu doing something similar in Noel's arcade ending except it's mirrored and mu has a face this time.
BlazGearRegalia Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Oh. My. Nu. Just look at them all fight like wild animals! Seeing Rachel fall into that thing of roses is making me think she's gonna die- Nevermind, I'll keep my expectation of death low.
Mirage of Void Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Terumi clashing with Ragna for some reason. I wonder what he's going to do with that cube he found.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 What intrigues me is the fact that didn't showed nothing about Hazama (except those ones from previous games) which means he will probably continues in the shadow until the stage is set up for him, or even wait to every piece fall into their own places before putting his last piece: his wish...
Kenji Harima Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Luminos564 said: Last thing of note, either I am hearing things but Tsubaki refers to Ragna as a "King of Death / Death King". It's her first line after Jin says something I cannot even begin to make sense of. Her line goes something like (and I'll apologise for not being able to write kanji out) "Ragna the Bloodedge...yahari anata wa shii'ou dekinai". Playing a little with dictionary and it seems like this: It's "yappari" -> "I thought so/I knew it" "anata wa" -> you are "shinnin" -> trust/confidence/acknowledge "dekinai" -> cannot (contraction of dekimasen) So she said that she knew that Ragna can't be trusted. I suppose both Ragna and Tsubaki won't become friends.
Luminos564 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said: Playing a little with dictionary and it seems like this: It's "yappari" -> "I thought so/I knew it" "anata wa" -> you are "shinnin" -> trust/confidence/acknowledge "dekinai" -> cannot (contraction of dekimasen) So she said that she knew that Ragna can't be trusted. I suppose both Ragna and Tsubaki won't become friends. Alrighty yeah, that makes much more sense than what I had sounding in my head. Thanks for that. I kinda hope they become, if not "friends", at least "allies" or come to an understanding. Tsubaki has been going through a character arc of her own and if Act 3 is any indication, she seems to finally be trying to make her own conclusions as opposed to going "Jin-niisama" like a brainwashed cult dolt. But ultimately, I guess we will see when the story mode is out and go from there. I am so spoiling myself in October so damn much.
Tokkan Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Tsubaki says やはり貴方は信用できない (yahari anata wa shin'you dekinai) or "As I thought, you cannot be trusted".
Toxin45 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 You know The Amaterasu woman kinda looks like an older Noel.
In&Out Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 3 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: What intrigues me is the fact that didn't showed nothing about Hazama (except those ones from previous games) which means he will probably continues in the shadow until the stage is set up for him, or even wait to every piece fall into their own places before putting his last piece: his wish... While you may very well be right, perhaps it's more simple than that. Maybe in his scene in the opening he's fighting someone like Trinity or Jubei and that's why they didn't show it yet.
Yoshirocks92 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 6 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: Enjoy: Hide contents So... "The Girl" except of left arm has also scars on left leg and from hip to stomach. Definitely longer hair than in act's previews and it seems that Ragna statement made in his Act 3's ending was right -> She is the woman. "Time to rebel against the end" eh? Ragna is still reffering himself as the "World's enemy" I feel really bad and sorry for that girl strapped to the Master Unit and I feel really bad for Noel as well. I just hope that the story mode will reveal Noel's True Identity and her real origin story.
Yoshirocks92 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Toxin45 said: You know The Amaterasu woman kinda looks like an older Noel. She does look like an older Noel but I hope that we are able to learn more about what's the connection between Noel and the Master Unit in the story mode.
Kenji Harima Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Luminos564 said: I kinda hope they become, if not "friends", at least "allies" Yeah, "allies" it's even more proper word. According to Ragna's Act 3 Tsubaki didn't use "Zero-Type" but I am not really sure how this weapon is working now since Izayoi became independent(?) being. She might has some consideration because her friends accept or/and like Ragna. However in this "relation" Ragna seems to be more open toward Tsubaki. 1 hour ago, Toxin45 said: You know The Amaterasu woman kinda looks like an older Noel. Whoever she is it looks that she has grown all this time (even in the Boundary's conditions) but her mentality is probably child-like. I doubt that is Noel/Saya future self. Soul is the key. On the other hand... I suppose that "Lacking Lady" days are going to end for Noel lol. Taokaka will be surprised. This Rachel's falling is worrying me. Of course somehow it was predictable but the idea that "Queen of Rose" might die isn't happy. 31 minutes ago, Yoshirocks92 said: I feel really bad and sorry for that girl strapped to the Master Unit and I feel really bad for Noel as well. I just hope that the story mode will reveal Noel's True Identity and her real origin story. Spoiler Don't worry my friend... I think that our innocent green-eyed blonde angel won't "end" like her. Though I'm glad they put some scenes with "The Girl". Probably is the final version how she will look in the game.
1337 H@x0r Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Basically the whole Blazblue plot can be resumed as: Being god is suffering...
Pauly-kun Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Awww, this trailer gives me chills, I hope this resolves all the mind crack of CP, with more mind crack!
Toxin45 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Some translations on the amateratsu girl "事象干渉" ("Phenomenon Intervention") . "元境界接触用" (part of "Boundary Interface Prime Field Device". It is impossible to say whether it is Dimensional BIPFD (BB ones), or Manifestation BIPFD (Embryo Storages of XB), since the first kanji can't be seen.) . "継承者" ("Successor"), then "蒼" ("Azure")
BlazGearRegalia Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Pauly-kun said: Awww, this trailer gives me chills, I hope this resolves all the mind crack of CP, with more mind crack! This game started taking mind crack when it hit Continuum Shift. Chronophantasma just made things more interesting! XD But definitely, we can expect CF to have Ragna go out with a S-I-S-I-G-A-M-I! SHISHIGAMI BANG! BANG! 2 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: This Rachel's falling is worrying me. Of course somehow it was predictable but the idea that "Queen of Rose" might die isn't happy.Don't worry my friend... I think that our innocent green-eyed blonde angel won't "end" like her. Though I'm glad they put some scenes with "The Girl". Probably is the final version how she will look in the game. As many death flags as she may have above her head, I don't think we need to worry about our good ol motherly vampire leaving us. 2 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: Whoever she is it looks that she has grown all this time (even in the Boundary's conditions) but her mentality is probably child-like. I doubt that is Noel/Saya future self. Soul is the key. On the other hand... I suppose that "Lacking Lady" days are going to end for Noel lol. Taokaka will be surprised. "That can't be Lacking Lady. Lacking Lady doesn't have any meat buns like Average Lady and Booby Lady, meow!" I'm sorry, I got to crack a joke every once in a while, I'll be out the door in a sec...
Yoshirocks92 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Kenji Harima said: Hide contents Don't worry my friend... I think that our innocent green-eyed blonde angel won't "end" like her. Though I'm glad they put some scenes with "The Girl". Probably is the final version how she will look in the game. I know but ever since Act 2 was released back in January and I saw The Girl strapped up to the Master Unit and learning that Noel and Mu-12 split up has opened up a lot of questions about Noel's true origins since in Act 3, Noel was afraid and scared since her true memories are coming back to her and that she can only be killed by sealing her soul with Kushinada's Lynchpin or by killing her with Izayoi's Immortal Breaker and this is coming from the same guy who originally though that Noel was Mu-12 during the events of the first three games and now that they split up in Central Fiction has opened up a lot of questions to me since I've been following Noel's story since I started liking the series back in 2011 which also happens to be the same time that Noel became my all time favorite female video game character just like how Yoshi from the Mario series is my all time favorite male video game character.
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