selitham Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 No that stage you just described was Terumi's stage, Ragna now has Monorail...where he was sleeping at the beginning of his story. Hazama is what we'll need to start calling him now in CS, so long as he has the fedora and his hair down.
Irrsinn Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 But thats Terumi possessing Hazama, Hazama's just a puppet.
selitham Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Yet in the game and to the people who do not even know about Terumi, he's referred to as Hazama, and his appearance is Hazama, it's like how we don't start calling Noel Mu.
Irrsinn Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Because Noel and Mu are the same person, Terumi and Hazama are different entities. Let me correct you "it's like how we don't start calling Noel Bolverk".
selitham Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 The fact that Terumi's controlling Hazama for his own agenda means he wants to be known as said person, unless somebody knows who he really is, they would call him by his real name, for the people who don't, he would be called Hazama by them, and he would be known as Hazama, simple, classy, smooth criminal Hazama, not demented, wicked, crazy Terumi, Tsubaki knows him as Hazama, Carl knows him as Hazama, the NOL he works for and his subordinates know him as frickin' Hazama. While we all know who he really is, since he's posing as Hazama, and since the game states his name as Hazama, he's known as Hazama as long as he's in his act. And Bolverk's just the name of her guns, don't throw inconsistent crap.
iamkitkatbar Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 http://www.mininova.org/tor/3102506 There's the torrent file. Could someone chime in and tell me if it works? This is my first time uploading a torrent. I made separate folders in the case you only want certain parts. I recommend you buy the book if you ever have the chance. These scans don't do it justice! ;]. Please keep seeds up. I've organized like this: 0_Covers (Dust cover, Main Cover, Extra info cover) 1_Illustration (Illustrations from gallery mode, other bb products, etc) 2_Ragna (Character art, design, and concept) 3_Jin 4_Noel 5_Tager 6_Taokaka 7_Rachel 8_Arakune 9_Litchi 10_Carl 11_Bang 12_Hakumen 13_V-13 14_Other Character (Tsubaki, Makoto, Linfa, Kokonoe, Hazama, Jubei, rest of support cast, Character sketches, rough sketches, etc) 15_Variety (おしえて！ライチ先生 / Tell me! Dr. Litchi, Staff-drawn sketches, a sweet Litchi section, and 4koma) ***Everything should be in page order (didn't check) Hey do you think you can take high resolution scans of the phonecards individually?
Irrsinn Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 He's still Terumi. And if you've played Noel story, you'd have noticed that Noel says that "bolverk takes care of everything when any fighting starts".
Suzaku Posted November 1, 2009 Author Posted November 1, 2009 The character you play as is Hazama, and he's named as such in all the official materials and in the UI, so if you're talking about gameplay-related stuff, just call him Hazama. Especially since, judging from the intro and the fact that the game's still got another new stage to reveal, it looks like there might be a special stage for Unlimited Hazama/Terumi, if he turns out to be the final boss.
selitham Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 What the hell is wrong with this site signing me out every 15 minutes or so? Let's take this back with Zato-one and Eddie, Zato relies on Eddie's power when he fights, but obviously we still called him Zato, when he died, we stopped calling him Zato because the game didn't refer to him as that anymore, instead, we began calling him Eddie because Eddie had started using his corpse and became the superior being. Terumi's Terumi when he loses the body or changes his look and attitude(and if he blurts his name out to people unaware), he's the superior being, but he's posing as another person, a captain of the NOL, and he wants to be known as that person, it's simply how a superhero wants to be known by their secret identity during their daily life when they're not out saving lives .
Osuna Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 What the hell is wrong with this site signing me out every 15 minutes or so? Let's take this back with Zato-one and Eddie, Zato relies on Eddie's power when he fights, but obviously we still called him Zato, when he died, we stopped calling him Zato because the game didn't refer to him as that anymore, instead, we began calling him Eddie because Eddie had started using his corpse and became the superior being. Terumi's Terumi when he loses the body or changes his look and attitude(and if he blurts his name out to people unaware), he's the superior being, but he's posing as another person, a captain of the NOL, and he wants to be known as that person, it's simply how a superhero wants to be known by their secret identity during their daily life when they're not out saving lives .Using the super hero analogy, if Superman was a playable character only as his clark kent form, I would call the character clark kent and not superman.
selitham Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Exactly, Terumi's not in his, whatever his real form is, but he's using the Hazama persona and body, so we'll need to call him Hazama, but I shouldv'e explained this earlier, I don't care if you call him Terumi if you feel like it when talking about the story and whatnot, but during discussions about the character's moves, the gameplay, and about him, it's more preferable that he's known and called Hazama(I can settle for Smooth Criminal also.)
Irrsinn Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 From what we know, maybe Hazama is already dead, and Terumi is just possessing his body. But this is silly, call him whatever you want.
Suzaku Posted November 1, 2009 Author Posted November 1, 2009 Brief summary for Memory of Blue, Ragna's short story: Ragna is waiting for midnight in the 9th Hierarchical City Akitsu so he can raid the NOL branch. He runs through the empty streets to the giant NOL building, where he forces his way in by blasting the main gate and the security with it. Inside, he mercilessly massacres over a hundred praetorian guards, ceasing to recognize them as human and instead equating their blue uniforms with the Azure that he hates. A short while later, he's in the lowest level of the city, and jumps down to the cauldron to check on the subject, and is relieved that the boot sequence isn't finished yet. He jumps back up and launches a blue-black energy blast from his right hand, destroying the the whole area. A bit later, he's making his way toward one of Akitsu's gates to leave the city. He cuts through some alleys when Rachel shows up on a rooftop. After a staring match, he ignores her and keeps going, only to have her appear in front of him. He just keeps going and brushes past her, which prompts her to call him uncivilized. Another staring match, and then she points to the northwest and whispers "Kagutsuchi" before vanishing into the moon, followed by laughter and, "I'm looking forward to it." Ragna leaves the city. Shortly thereafter, he became known as the Grim Reaper. -AD2198
arctus32 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Brief summary for Memory of Blue, Ragna's short story: Ragna is waiting for midnight in the 9th Hierarchical City Akitsu so he can raid the NOL branch. He runs through the empty streets to the giant NOL building, where he forces his way in by blasting the main gate and the security with it. Inside, he mercilessly massacres over a hundred praetorian guards, ceasing to recognize them as human and instead equating their blue uniforms with the Azure that he hates. A short while later, he's in the lowest level of the city, and jumps down to the cauldron to check on the subject, and is relieved that the boot sequence isn't finished yet. He jumps back up and launches a blue-black energy blast from his right hand, destroying the the whole area. A bit later, he's making his way toward one of Akitsu's gates to leave the city. He cuts through some alleys when Rachel shows up on a rooftop. After a staring match, he ignores her and keeps going, only to have her appear in front of him. He just keeps going and brushes past her, which prompts her to call him uncivilized. Another staring match, and then she points to the northwest and whispers "Kagutsuchi" before vanishing into the moon, followed by laughter and, "I'm looking forward to it." Ragna leaves the city. Shortly thereafter, he became known as the Grim Reaper. -AD2198 Wow now I can't wait for BBCS even though thats the pre event before Kagutsuchi, and Ragna can release energy from his hands as in projectile or just burst of energy?
Prototype909 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Wow now I can't wait for BBCS even though thats the pre event before Kagutsuchi, and Ragna can release energy from his hands as in projectile or just burst of energy? I think that it's just referring to a release of the Azure (See True Ending VS. Hakumen).
SolxBaiken Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Umm..correct me if I'm wrong but... Why does everyone think Terumi and Hazama are two different people? How do we know this "Hazama" even existed? We know next to nothing about Terumi's powers or plans, for all we know he has been using the alias of "Hazama" to hold a high position within the NOL for his plans (sorta like Aizen from Bleach). Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that "Terumi is possesing Hazama, ZOMG!" Also one thing that really puzzles me is in Noel's story when she encounters Jin, Hazama is with her and is apprealy nearly killed by Jin, yet not once did Jin acknowledge he was there, and this scene is played in reverse perspective and there's no indication of anyone else being there...
Prototype909 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Well, Ouroborous (sp) Hazama's Drive is a universal symbol of eternity and rebirth So I think everyone has just assumed Terumi revived in Hazama's body as his next incarnation. I mean, you can see at the start of the game he's little more than a disembodied spirit.
SolxBaiken Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I know of Ouroboros' power but I'm just saying why does everyone jump to the conclusion that Hazama existed as a seperate entity that is being possesed/controlled by Terumi? It is true that at SOME point in he game Hazama appears before Rachel in that shapeless form and it is uncertain how appeared when he showed himself to the young Ragna and took away Jin. For all we know Terumi is simply a shape shifter and his "bodies" each have limited life, that's why he has many forms. And since Ouroboros is about rebirth, for all we know "Hazama" is his "real" body, he just alters it ever so much when he needs to. So little is known about Terumi/Hazama that it's a little annoying, I'm sorry but we don't even know WHY this guy is such a big threat to everything...So for the time being I'm calling it (I don't care what anyone says, until proven otherwise) Terumi = worst villain ever...
seipherzero Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Hey do you think you can take high resolution scans of the phonecards individually? They should be located in the "Illustrations" folder. If your torrent client allows you to select files individually, just do so. You can crop em in an image editor. Image size should'nt be a problem as they're all A4-cropped pages in 300dpi. More than enough for web-view. If you plan on reprinting them..that's a different matter ;p.
iamkitkatbar Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 They should be located in the "Illustrations" folder. If your torrent client allows you to select files individually, just do so. You can crop em in an image editor. Image size should'nt be a problem as they're all A4-cropped pages in 300dpi. More than enough for web-view. If you plan on reprinting them..that's a different matter ;p. :psyduck:thanks also can more people seed the torrent LOL im downloading at 5kb's and uploading 25kb's
Jourdal Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Wow im DL some stuff to see the difference in quality and my rate is 144kbs....
seipherzero Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 :psyduck:thanks also can more people seed the torrent LOL im downloading at 5kb's and uploading 25kb's Wow im DL some stuff to see the difference in quality and my rate is 144kbs.... I've been setting my upload bandwidth to unlimited while I'm asleep. I have to limit it in the day though (or else browsing becomes unbearably slow).
BladeOfJustice7 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Wow im DL some stuff to see the difference in quality and my rate is 144kbs.... Same with me xemnas, last night it was mainly leechers though since I had 0kbs for downloading and 68kbs for uploads >.< Also we all know the 6 heroes are very powerful the fact that hazama is able to be beaten by the cast in a normal fight shows that it's not Terumi fighting at 100%, take Haku for instance the reason he's able to be used in the game is because he's fighting at 20% power (might be a bit higher in CS since he's able to use more of his abilities). I think if it was Terumi SERIOUSLY fighting he would have to be unlimited, aka a boss because the 6 heroes are very strong compared to the rest of the cast. Sazuku, do you think of can translate the rest of the character short stories? In particular hakumen first?
mAc Chaos Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 I still think Hazama is just an alias Terumi uses, not an actual separate person. We'll see.
Almadiel Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Its known that Terumi possesses people, he did it to Jin when he cut off Ragna's arm (the scene was a little ambiguous, but it did show Jin with Terumi's smile, and Ragna did not recognize Terumi/Hazama when he appeared in the true ending, so it seems pretty certain). He also appears in a ghost-like form in many cases, and it was implied that Terumi's real body was killed. Hazama is probably just another person he possessed. Creepy smile aside, we have no reference to what Terumi originally looked like.
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