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Nakkiel

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Hey guys, just got back from a meet and I'm pretty beat. I need to go to bed! I'll throw some tips or feedback your way when I have time to look at your guys' vids, maybe someone will get to them before me.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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ATGMantenbo

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:17 6D is not a good starter, try to use safer ones like IAD back j.C or 5B

:37 good pressure after DP is ]D[ > IAD j.CB > 6A or 2B .. etc

:41 and :43 Block!!

:46 you started the combo with (2A)x2 .. you cant do the combo you tried to do if 2A was your starter. what you could have done instead is (2A)x2 > 5B > 2C > itsuuA > 4kote > dash 3C > 2D .. etc

:59 delay 3C

1:06 hit confirm j.B to 5B > 5C .. etc

1:10 why DP outta nowhere .. you could pressure like 3C > 2D > dash 5C > 5D ... etc

1:31 good start

1:37 Block don't mash 2A's

1:57 work on your execution .. an easier version that almost does the same dmg is 4D > 4kote > j.b > 2C > 3C .. etc here's a video of me doing it at 0:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ta_In2l76g&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

2:00 Block

2:08 coulda turned that j.C CH into 5.5k dmg; work on your hitconfirm and combos

2:14 hitconfirm

2:26-2:28-2:29 Block!

2:39 the combo doesnt work off 2A

3:02 you're jumping too much

4:03 as a reset, yes .. as a combo, no

in the end, work on your combos, blocking, hitconfirm. hope this helps

EDIT: huey: I'll inv you if I log in on Friday.

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TeeJay

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That random DP was suppose to be an itsuu cancel but I failed the input. (how I don't know) Thanks for the feedback.

Nakkiel

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For TeeJay;

You seem to wind up mashing a lot on A when you tech? Do you do this on purpose? This can work sometimes when people drop combos at laggy moves (neutral tech into 5A - combo) but all the situations you were doing it in, you'd be far better off blocking or trying to fastfall out of the corner. Work on your defense, patience is very important.

Off of 2A you were going for combos that don't work. Midscreen a decent one off of 2 2As is 2Ax2 5B 2C ItsuuA dash 2C 6C(1) 4kote j.BCD airdash j.C 6C.

Your poking game seems really weak, using 4D, 2A and 5C (5C is okay against certain chars) as pokes isn't really a good idea. 6D can actually prove to be a good one if you use it sparingly and know the spacing, it has a great hitbox. Poking against Makoto can be difficult since 3C goes under 5B, but overall you should be okay with 6D[m], 2B[m] and 3C[m]/]m[ against her 3C. You hang on to the staff a lot, throw out more to harass the opponent and hopefully land a hit into combo. Don't just jump backwards and hit j.B[m] all day long, it might seem super good at first but there are ways to beat it.

I didn't see any DAAs when you were on defense, I also didn't see any true okizeme setups. Make sure you learn your corner combo enders and how to combo off your oki properly.

For ATG;

Vs Zong: What's with the TK Chun combo off of ItsuuC? :P [D] running j.B..C ]D[ airdash j.C 6C etc. is a much better option. You landed a CH j.2D(2), it's hard but you can link 5B off of it and go into 3C for some damage rather than going for pressure resets. Overall good combos and stuff.

Don't rush in against Carl. You need to have unlimited patience against him, just poke at him and Nirvana if you have a life lead. If he has a life lead, poke at him anyways until you find a safe way of getting in. I saw you IAD in some amount of times only to get CH out of your attacks. Time him out if you have to, even if it's boring. Watch out for Vivace when you go for oki, don't let him get out for free. I also saw you get randomly hit during sandwich pressure or pressure at all, not sure why but watch out for that.

Not much to say about the Ragna vid, haha. You could've killed him at the end of round 1 with Daisharin though instead of going for oki.

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ATGMantenbo

ATGMantenbo

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yeah I should have done the more advanced 3C combo :(

that j.2D in 1:58 was not CH, couldn't do anything but pressure; would have RC'ed but didn't have meter lol

I tried to rush him the second round and paid for it; My real problem with carl is how do get out of sandwich pressure? my only way out so far is dp (you saw me get CH'ed outta mashing dp lol) or jump out.

overall, I think I need to be more patient vs Carl even if it kills the fun.

Thanks to you and poisonous flour(PM'ed me) for the feedback

I think we need another thread aside from this one where we critique one another and give advice. This thread will get messy if we post everything here. what do you think guys?

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Nakkiel

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Well I'm pretty sure you can link off of the 2nd hit regardless. I've never bothered with it though.

If you think he's going to cross you up and you really want to DP, make sure to OS it. 421 A+B+D

Other than that I would say IB and jumping out with barrier is our best option since it's 3 frame startup. And yeah, playing the Carl matchup correctly is really boring, unfortunately, but the safest way.

And I don't think creating a second thread is necessary, but also not necessarily a bad idea either...I'm fine either way personally.

Nakkiel

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Yeah looking at frame data on normal hit it's just a couple frames off from being able to link into 5A, apparently. I know that on CH the first hit can link in to 5B also.

ATGMantenbo

ATGMantenbo

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DAA = Dead Angel Attack (that's for GG) aka CA = Counter Assault (for BB)

while defending, press forward + A + B to break out of pressure under the cost of half your meter.

Fastfall = airdash + j.2D +(slight delay) throw (with staff)

airdash + j.5D +(slight delay) throw (without satff)

this is to make litchi fall faster after an airdash; used to throw off the opponent's AA timing and some other uses.

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TeeJay

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DAA = Dead Angel Attack (that's for GG) aka CA = Counter Assault (for BB)

while defending, press forward + A + B to break out of pressure under the cost of half your meter.

Fastfall = airdash + j.2D + throw (with staff)

airdash + j.5D + throw (without satff)

this is to make litchi fall faster after an airdash; used to throw off the opponent's AA timing and some other uses.

Ok thanks. I use counter assualt often but the fastfall is new to me.

ATGMantenbo

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timing fastfall is a bit hard at first. try doing the one without the staff since it's easier imo; remember to delay between j.d and throw (slight delay)

Lord Knight

Lord Knight

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me vs Zong online match (3v3 tourney)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fSH_SCUzQ

critiques?

I thought you said you lost to him?

Anyways, you're trying too hard to win. The goal of this match isn't to win, if you do it's nice, but you should just be patient and try to time him out.

ATGMantenbo

ATGMantenbo

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nah I lost; he won the set 2-1. This match is recorded from the 2nd set we played in which I won 2-1

but yeah that's what I'll try doing from now on, time Carl out.

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Lord Knight

Lord Knight

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Sorry ATG, but don't post vids of you beating scrubs on netplay, that's not what this thread is for. If it was we'd have 100000000 posts by now.

If you post a vid playing someone on your level that's fine.

ATGMantenbo

ATGMantenbo

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Post all the GOOD STUFF in here

I think my vids count as "GOOD STUFF". You should state what you want us to post here in your opening post.

I thought that would help ppl learn some practical combos but ohh well it's your call anyway ..

Did u get my msg?

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Nakkiel

Nakkiel

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Recorded quite a few casual vids at the meet tonight, I'll post links here when Spark uploads them.

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ATGMantenbo

ATGMantenbo

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Ever heard of "psychic DP's" .. no?

here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBTwrZLPmS4

ok, Advice and Critiques please.

how do you beat her drive without psychic DP? block and mash out dp? or is there a better way of punishing that leads to good damage?

don't post vids of you beating scrubs on netplay

Luna is not a scrub ..

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Ryyudo

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Ever heard of "psychic DP's" .. no?

here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBTwrZLPmS4

ok, Advice and Critiques please.

how do you beat her drive without psychic DP? block and mash out dp? or is there a better way of punishing that leads to good damage?

Luna is not a scrub ..

Personally, I think the biggest worry is getting OUT of the drives. You can get your damage later while she's not in a position to get hers (like the rest of the positions on the screen lol). Plus, that's damage that's racking up still for every drive you block and/or predict.

Otherwise, jabbing or your meatiest move would bet if you wanna really beat it. Most Noels (the few, and varying quality) claim they run out of invincibility before the actual attack comes out. Going off that assumption, as bad as doing that it is, If you know they're gonna do a grounded move, I'd figure a block -> pre-inputed 5C [m] would work fine for most situations, but would probably trade or be countered on the overhead one. On that, probably best place for jabs to come in. I don't think 3C would have the speed and AA hurtboxes to stay safe.

/theory fighter

Still, that's more of a riskier guessing game just to get damage. I'd rather stick to block -> DP. As long as they don't rapid their drives (can they?) I think that's just a free hit.

Also, important question: Should I just call you Daigo now with all them psychic DPs? ;)

crazycrackers

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjlvpvJJhwY

Jin (kogatan) vs Litchi (Mikami)- Both SBO qualifiers

Some really good shit in here from both players. Very very solid Litchi with some new combos.

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*3:21- non CH air hit 2a>2c[m] works. Useful after Chun.

*9:45- off of daisharin mixup/daisharin hits; x>hatsu>staff comes down>hatsu>riichiA ippatsuA>ippatsuB>dash2c (crosses up)>j.bcb>6c 4kote>j.b dj.b j.cd j.c>6c

*11:53- (into corner) 5b[m] 5c 3c RC 6b wallbounce 66d hatsu riitchiA ippatsuA dj7 4kote (delay) j.b 5b JC j.b j.bcd j.c 6c

*j.2d seems really useful in general. Good crossup, also seems +f on block. Not sure if it is though.

MOAR EDIT:

*12:10- staffless 2c gatlings into 5c? Thats new right?

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