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[Ghurdrich]

what dustloop is about is information. not flashy bullshit. bottom line.

Srs bsns.

Anyways, I think it's a good idea. I dunno. Maybe I'm crazy. Sorry for wanting to support a good cause? What do I say in this situation. I'm just a lurker so maybe I don't have a say (I like to spend my time playing the game rather than making pointless posts) but I don't see what the big issue is if people want to contribute. You can act like an elitist internet tough guy, or whatever it is that you like to act like, all the same regardless of whether someone has a slightly larger signature than you. You don't actually lose out on anything. Despite what you're assuming, if you look at the OP, you don't see 'PAY MONEY AND YOU GET BIG FLASHY RAGNAxJIN SIGGYS :3 :3 :3' so maybe take a closer look and then come back and make your judgments. All your information will still be there, it's not gonna go away just because someone on Zepp museum paid some money to put a few more frames into their .gif avatar.

So yeah, for what it's worth, count me as an affirmative for this (assumnig the mods are up for it obviously)

[CakeWasBannedd]

dude i don't care what you think about me. i don't care who you are, either. i could care less about premium accounts as well.

what dustloop is about is information. not flashy bullshit. bottom line.

From rules:

4. Do not troll or otherwise be an asshole. Shittalking is encouraged in the Match Finder and Event Announcement boards, but don't go overboard!

[killionaire]

If this is implemented, and I'm capitalizing the IF part, I'm sure people's bad experiences with other sites would be enough to keep the size cap from going overboard..

We know this place primarily exists for information.. We would have the sense to moderate things so they stay that way.

[CakeWasBannedd]

If this is implemented, and I'm capitalizing the IF part, I'm sure people's bad experiences with other sites would be enough to keep the size cap from going overboard..

We know this place primarily exists for information.. We would have the sense to moderate things so they stay that way.

I was mostly just trying to be an asshole Also you really like ellipsis..

[Digital Watches]

From rules:

4. Do not troll or otherwise be an asshole. Shittalking is encouraged in the Match Finder and Event Announcement boards, but don't go overboard!

I dunno, he seems pretty on topic. He's definitely talking about the subject at hand, even though he's the dissenting opinion. If you're objecting to the language or belligerence, well uh...

It's the internet. Duh.

[ZONG_one]

what dustloop is about is information. not flashy bullshit. bottom line.

Funny, I never see you post any relevant info.

[Digital Watches]

Ever check out Slayerland?

[ZONG_one]

Nope.

I'm from Carl land.

So he posts for his character, and trolls the rest of the forums.

Actually sounds a lot like me.

Great minds.

Also - thread = dead.

[Kamui Moon]

seriously, Mac has taught me a hell of a lot about both Slayer and the game in general. what the fuck is wrong with having a dissenting opinion to yours? him and i definitely aren't trolling, we're just stating our opinion that this is an unnecessary idea.

[ZONG_one]

It's not the dissenting opinion that bothers me.

We couldn't ever have intelligent discussions without differing opinions.

It's the idea that I'm here to display my UbER CoOL AvY.

The idea that I'm on the forum, and don't play.

Somehow we all digress, but I can definitely respect an opinion that isn't my own.

If you notice, we aren't even arguing about a premium account anymore, we're arguing about who plays their game... and for how long.

Also, this could all very well be unnecessary, I was just stating that I would support it if it were to be an idea around here.

If it's not, (which I doubt it would be,) then it's really no big deal to me.

If I seem to be taking things personally, I'm not.

I just don't like someone else telling me what I do, when I know what I do.

I'm sure Macarthur Blunts, is knowledgeable on his character and the game in general.

Also, based on his name, possibly sharing a couple interests of my own.

Just needs to work on his people skills.

[Digital Watches]

Lawl, so you're not taking things personally, but you take personal offense to being pidgeonholed?

You claim that you don't mind dissenting opinions, and that you're not taking offense, but that he needs to work on his personal skills?

There seems a contradiction.

[ZONG_one]

You claim that you don't mind dissenting opinions, and that you're not taking offense, but that he needs to work on his personal skills?

There seems a contradiction.

1.) I said people skills, not personal skills.

(Might help him, doesn't affect me.)

I'm not even sure I know what personal skills would entail. Enlighten me on that.

2.) Your statement makes no sense in the first place.

I'm pretty sure I can suggest someone work on their people skills without personally being offended.

Also, working on people skills has nothing to do with having a different opinion than someone else.

If you'd like to join in, at least have a vague idea of what you're talking about.

A contradiction would be me saying:

"Hey I'm not getting offended or anything, but what you're saying really offends me."

I don't see that, or anything remotely close to that in any of my posts.

Also people skills:

Might include speaking with someone in a way that makes them more likely to deal with you in a non-antagonistic manner.

Which is what I was getting at. So far, you have both failed at that.

@Cake:

EDIT- For him to be done with it, and you to be continuing it on his behalf is a little bit weird, in my book...

[DF2K]

I'd sacrifice my left testicle to have an additional pixel in my avatar.

[Digital Watches]

1.) I said people skills, not personal skills.

(Might help him, doesn't affect me.)

I'm not even sure I know what personal skills would entail. Enlighten me on that.

I'm sorry, I neglected to use your phrasing verbatim. Guess that means my point is invalid.

2.) Your statement makes no sense in the first place.

I'm pretty sure I can suggest someone work on their people skills without personally being offended.

So you're saying that although you're not actually offended, he's somehow committed some kind of foul here? I'm saying that since there's no universal quantifiable etiquette that everyone agrees on at play here, the only way you could really be calling him out on being a dick is if your sensibilities have been offended in some way, and so I'm calling bullshit on you not being offended, or on Mac needing to work on his "people skills." Is it really that tough to understand what I'm saying?

Also, working on people skills has nothing to do with having a different opinion than someone else.

Well obviously not, which is why I see no problem with how Mac has been going about this. As you'll note, this has been my position from the get-go.

If you'd like to join in, at least have a vague idea of what you're talking about.

Wow, that's not antagonistic or ad-hominem at all.

A contradiction would be me saying:

"Hey I'm not getting offended or anything, but what you're saying really offends me."

I don't see that, or anything remotely close to that in any of my posts.

There you go with your "It's not the same set of words verbatim, so it's completely different" logic. If it's somehow still unclear to you, my point was that it's absurd to say that you think Mac has committed some foul in terms of "arguing on a forum" etiquette (What I would operationally define as "People skills" in this situation) but claim to not yourself be offended, since there isn't a codified etiquette for that sort of thing, so it's obviously a question of your personal opinion in this case. You're trying to pass off your opinion as a fact and then divorce yourself from that opinion, and I'm calling your bluff on it.

Also people skills:

Might include speaking with someone in a way that makes them more likely to deal with you in a non-antagonistic manner.

In that case, I'd say you're doing a lot worse at it than he was.

Which is what I was getting at. So far, you have both failed at that.

Again with your opinion-facts. In the immortal words of the smaller Bruce Lee that lives in Bruce Lee's mouth, "NO YOU!"

(EDIT: I know the picture for that meme isn't actually Bruce Lee, but I imagine it that way because of the rule of cool)

@Cakewasbanned: TAKE THAT!

EDIT- For him to be done with it, and you to be continuing it on his behalf is a little bit weird, in my book...

I tend to dislike it when people are belligerent and fail at logic at the same time.

[ZONG_one]

My antagonism comes from you guys' lack of people skills.

Like I said, I might take the time to be respectful, if you were.

No foul on your part, just a big ego.

OMG I'm being trolled.

I seem to remember my only other run in with you on these forums was a good one.

Don't know what happened here, but it may have something to do with your overwhelming desire to help your boyfriend out.

If you're going to say I'm being hypocritical, I'm not.

I never claimed to have people skills. I do, but that's not the issue.

Since I didn't start this, I don't think it's my duty to play nice.

Look back at the few people who said they might support the idea.

Then look at the first post by your hubby:

so now when we see lame ass troll threads about what would happen if sol and ragna combined sperm and put it in ky's ass then dizzy sucked it out into her tail then fucked herself to get preggo, there is going to be a huge fucking flashing avatar and a big ass colorful sig right below?

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO ME!

(this place just keeps getting less and less about gameplay)

Unreasonable, if you ask me.

People could do that now, if they wanted to, but it doesn't happen.

There are rules, you know.

How about some legitimate idea for why we shouldn't have something, instead of an obviously blown out of proportion scenario that has no possibility of ever happening here?

This first post was unnecessary.

A simple, "I don't think this is a good idea, and here's why," response, might've been a better way to go. Maybe elaborate a little on his last sentence, which imo, would've summed up the whole post, without having to sound like an idiot.

And before you even start with your "rules for arguing" thing, don't.

Doesn't matter to me, but if what he said was intelligent in the slightest, we'd still be on page 2 of this thread, not page 5 or 6.

All of this, and I haven't even gotten to respond to your last post, Digital.

I guess I don't need to now. I did glance over something about a Bruce Lee reference, maybe I'll go check that part out.

EDIT- If you were a "super" anything, you would've closed this thread the moment it stopped being about the subject line.

EDIT x2- I'll respond to one part. My opinions are my opinions, and I don't try to pass them on as anything other than my opinions. They're strong opinions, but an opinion can only be an opinion, regardless of how strong/weak it is. Keep that in mind. A Rectangle can never be a square.

[Digital Watches]

Also people skills:

Might include speaking with someone in a way that makes them more likely to deal with you in a non-antagonistic manner.

My antagonism comes from you guys' lack of people skills.

1. ¬(has_people_skills) here defined as any behavior that makes ZONG_one antagonistic.

2. Therefore, ZONG_one being antagonistic to x implies x does not have people skills.

3. ZONG_one is being antagonistic towards (Mac, DW), therefore, (Mac, DW) don't have people skills.

QED

Sounds good to me.

So basically you're mad because he was a little vulgar in describing his distaste for fanboys on this site, and saying that enabling large avatars through some kind of premium system would lead to the site becoming cluttered with flashy and unnecessary avatars. I actually happen to disagree that this would be such a huge problem, and am all for premium accounts. Your idiotic flamewar-style comments like "OMG WHAT IS HE YOUR BOYFRIEND!?!" wouldn't even bother me that much if it wasn't exactly what you're accusing Mac of.

So in short, yeah, you're a hypocrite. Grow up or go home.

EDIT - Setting aside the fact that rectangles can be squares, and that it is in fact a necessary (But not sufficient) condition for being a square to be a rectangle (Implying to me that you've probably heard that analogy used before but kind of missed the point), I'm again struck by this seeming unwillingness to see logical equivalence beyond verbatim phrasing. I was saying that you use your opinions as though they were facts, or at least conventions (As in accepted by everyone else present), when constructing your logic, which is evident by the way that you're arguing, not that you said somewhere that "My opinions are facts!" or whatever.

[Digital Watches]

Well, we can't really make it bigger horizontally without being dumb. Dunno if you were around for the AVPOCALYPSE when like, SJ and Hellmonkey and whoever else I'm forgetting from SoCal had GIANT SCREEN-EATING AVS, but generally the 160-wide limit is a good way to keep it in check.

[ZONG_one]

160 wide is fine.

Can't really have an avy much longer than that.

Maybe 160 x 100.

The actual file size is what I would want more of.

More frames = more girls, right?

And I do agree that sigpics might not be such a good idea around here.

[Digital Watches]

Yeah, probably filesize limit would be upped if we were implementing this, so you could probably flood everyone's bandwidth with more flashing anime lesbians if you wanted.

[ZONG_one]

Sounds awesome.

I hear "risky" or "inappropriate" avy's are being discussed among mods now, though.

Not sure if mine counts, I doubt it does, but that may be phased out soon enough anyway.

Then it's on to something a little less distracting, I guess.

And if that's messing with anyone's bandwith, I have serious doubts about their ISP.

[Digital Watches]

Eh, I don't think kissing counts as risqué, so you're fine on that end.

Our main concern is anything that could be construed as CP, since that'd cause, well, legal trouble and the like. Since some countries have restrictions on drawn stuff as well, the general consensus is we'd rather not take the risk. Besides, who wants to see that pedo shit?

Plus I guess porn in general could be considered offensive by some people, etc. etc.

[M.Song]

so lesbian kissing is fine but Team Wet Loli Panties avatars from long ago aren't? and neither were the Team Bubz avatars either?

[rtl42]

holy cow STAY ON TOPIC.

[killionaire]

I can't believe you people got into a heated discussion over upping avy limits of all topics..

Well, then again, this is the internet.. People will get into arguments over anything.. At least you resolved it well.

Anyway, I think it's clear that we are all saying no to the sig limit increase..

They're supposed to be short anyway, and we are all very averse to anything that might encourage people to plant paragraphs and images in them.

[Hecatom]

as a premium member on srk i wouldnt mind paying a premium membership here on DL