Antihippy Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Well, them too, just saying that among the more sympathetic figures, Arakune is the most likely to die. I just hope the (supposedly) revived Nu-13 gets a shot at redemption, Lambda earned a lot of sympathy points imo. Wasn't her redemption pretty much just dying? Anyway, she'll die again, and a new murakamo will come. Then Mori will claim her to be a new character, and that's how blazblue will be continued forever.
ChrisX Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Well, I'm glad that out of my silly speculation, something LOL-worthy comes up. And for another speculation, while this isn't so much as story speculation, in case there will be new tracks for the characters in the next game (Mori did say the next BB is a long way to go. Plenty of time for Ishiwatari to develop new songs)... I'm just wondering if there will be a new track for Litchi. I mean, one of the things that got me jarred so much is that despite actually going against her actual moral stand, her theme would still end up the same upbeat one, making her look like she's not having regrets or something (Soundtrack Dissonance, if you go by the TV Tropes language). Probably she may have a sadder remix of her theme to represent her conflict and grief (Tsubaki wouldn't need one because Condemnation Wings still convey her conflict and grief... I think.). New voice clips are per the menu of course. So, that's what I think about the future of character musics. Do you think other characters may get some sort of remix for the next BB, representing some change, based on the story development?
Darlos9D Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 That would be... artistically sound. I've been wondering myself lately if the music would see some kind of change or advancement, like the soundtracks of GGX and onward always did over time. And then there's GG->GGX where the soundtrack changed COMPLETELY, though I get the feeling they wouldn't be that drastic. Still, yes, I could see some updated themes.
ChrisX Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 If the next BB indeed comes in awhile (Well I can see that coming, because they will take their time in revealing Valk and later Platinum the Trinity), perhaps the next DLCs are some new tracks. Though in GG, there's only May, Axl, Potemkin, Testament and technically Faust who got completely new musics (and even then, the only one with drastic makeover from their personality is Faust, and I don't think if Litchi does change her personality, it wouldn't be as drastic as Baldhead to Faust). Others are remixes, so it's not like the transition from GG to GGX means EVERY MUSIC changes. Jin wouldn't be the same without his Lust SIN, bad or good.
Super Robot War Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 I think I found a 5th symbol, but since I can't prove who it goes to, speculation? Take a look at this picture: http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7681/2duji88.png (credit for the picture goes to the uploader) Now, at first glance what you might see is the following: Ragna symbol (Left) V-13 symbol (Right) Eye symbol (Top, Jubei?) "Sword of Imperator" symbol (Bottom) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I never noticed this before, but there is a symbol above the "SOI" symbol, but below "Jubei" symbol. It's long and looks like a bow. I thought it might have been part of the "SOI", but upon closer inspection, it's a totally different color. So, this might likely be another Drive symbol (which would make sense, as 2 brand new characters were revealed last game, and this game appeared to reveal only what I suspect to be Jubei and a redone Nu) for a new character, and since it's a bow, likely a zoning character.
Ehecatl Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 Rachel is immortal afaik, she cant die as long as she has a reason to stay in the world, that reason being Ragna. And since the main character usually don't die, i think its safe to say that Rachel is immortal. Unless, the illusion of a world that must be observed to exist fades. In which case, I believe Rachel, Hakumen, Terumi, etc. would all fade with it. It isn't known if they can maintain their existence in the real world, as the world of the azure is in a completely different dimension if I'm reading it correctly. Hard to tell where they're taking this story. The real world is messed up and destroyed. All that exists is a fake one made of the Azure and observed by Takamagahara and the master unit. Since Takamagahara is destroyed along with, perhaps, the master unit-- I've no idea how the world maintains its own existence as Terumi and Saya desire its destruction and need only refuse to observe it to achieve that... I think. If I'm understanding it right. Damn quantum physics and all that shit. Even after studying the theory of Schrodinger's Cat, this boggles my mind...
Akiro Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 What happened to the Azure Grimiore being the weakest of all the Grimiores? I'm pretty sure the Crimsion Grimiore exists and we'll be seeing it next game.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 What happened to the Azure Grimiore being the weakest of all the Grimiores? I'm pretty sure the Crimsion Grimiore exists and we'll be seeing it next game. and then the emerald grimiore then the daimond and pearl grimiores will come together, and bb will take over the ds with spinoffs to collect them all
Super Robot War Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 and then the emerald grimiore then the daimond and pearl grimiores will come together, and bb will take over the ds with spinoffs to collect them all You kinda forgot Silver, Gold, and Crystal if you're going to make that joke.
smooshman Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 so.... I'm kinda wondering what's on the 8,9,10th level of torifune.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 9, 2010 Posted August 9, 2010 it's the academy. lvls 8 9 and 10 were said to be classified in teach me ms litchi: reloaded
ChrisX Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Hm, here's one speculation/theory I came up with: Since in the current NOL, the only ones that has some shred of potential goodness are Tsubaki and Litchi... how do you think they will interact? Tsubaki is now probably all alone that all her friends left NOL, I would think that since she heard about Litchi being a good doctor who is open for some talk, if she felt like needing a talk, she might go over to her. I do suspect that their presence together may be a catalyst for them to eventually leave NOL, maybe Tsubaki could realize from Litchi that her friendship shouldn't be ruined with such easy feeling and she'll need to find out more; thus maybe if one day she finally decided with "Screw NOL, I'm doing what my heart decreed!", it can be credited with Litchi. And on the other side, perhaps seeing Tsubaki all alone and has friends that were against her now, Litchi might realize that she may also have friends that trust her, and feel really guilty by betraying them, thus perhaps changing her mind a bit about joining. She may join NOL, but if able, she might do things beneficial to her friends rather than NOL, which later culminates in leaving once she gets what she wants. My theory may be wrong, but I just think that there could be something that came out with both Tsubaki and Litchi being in the same banner and the only sympathetic ones in NOL. P.S: I really should stop visiting the GameFAQS BB board. So many unreasonable Litchi haters (Especially the PS3 board), it's going to make my intelligence drop and worry too much about her (not a good sign). P.P.S: Am I the only one who thinks that Litchi's decision kind of mirrors... Spider Man's One More Day arc?
Lou_Cypher Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 P.S: I really should stop visiting the GameFAQS BB board. So many unreasonable Litchi haters (Especially the PS3 board), it's going to make my intelligence drop and worry too much about her (not a good sign). P.P.S: Am I the only one who thinks that Litchi's decision kind of mirrors... Spider Man's One More Day arc? Pfft, Litchi shouldn't really be hated. Bang should be the one to be hated considering how worthless he is. Also, One More Day was a horrible arc. >_>
ChrisX Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Yes, I know it's a horrible arc. But it kinda mirrors Litchi's story for now. I mean, 'insisting on saving someone who'd rather just die personally, by making a deal with a shady person?'. Here, like this: Litchi - Spider Man Arakune - Aunt May Kokonoe & Tager - Fantastic Four/X-Men/Anyone Spidey came across NOL/Terumi - Mephisto Litchi's alignment - Spidey's Marriage Though I'm sure this is all probably Mori's plan to eventually spit on Quesada's bad arc by making Litchi's arc turn out better.
Ehecatl Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Hm, here's one speculation/theory I came up with: Since in the current NOL, the only ones that has some shred of potential goodness are Tsubaki and Litchi... how do you think they will interact? Tsubaki is now probably all alone that all her friends left NOL, I would think that since she heard about Litchi being a good doctor who is open for some talk, if she felt like needing a talk, she might go over to her. I do suspect that their presence together may be a catalyst for them to eventually leave NOL, maybe Tsubaki could realize from Litchi that her friendship shouldn't be ruined with such easy feeling and she'll need to find out more; thus maybe if one day she finally decided with "Screw NOL, I'm doing what my heart decreed!", it can be credited with Litchi. And on the other side, perhaps seeing Tsubaki all alone and has friends that were against her now, Litchi might realize that she may also have friends that trust her, and feel really guilty by betraying them, thus perhaps changing her mind a bit about joining. She may join NOL, but if able, she might do things beneficial to her friends rather than NOL, which later culminates in leaving once she gets what she wants. My theory may be wrong, but I just think that there could be something that came out with both Tsubaki and Litchi being in the same banner and the only sympathetic ones in NOL. P.S: I really should stop visiting the GameFAQS BB board. So many unreasonable Litchi haters (Especially the PS3 board), it's going to make my intelligence drop and worry too much about her (not a good sign). P.P.S: Am I the only one who thinks that Litchi's decision kind of mirrors... Spider Man's One More Day arc? Thing about Tsubaki, and correct me if I'm wrong, but even though her jealousy towards Noel may have been a catalyst-- its not what made her suddenly turn cold and become "evil". Playing through Jin's story, there is clearly a difference between when she's normal and when her suit turns black. And not long after Hazama talked about having a little "insurance policy" in the event Tsubaki's faith faltered, she suddenly screams in pain and calls out to Jin just before her personality takes a complete turn. Plus, with the way it ended, it didn't seem that the person talking was Tsubaki at all-- but someone else. Ironic enough that in the middle of their fight, Jin cuts through the dimensional field and suddenly there's Phantom just standing there. The more I look at that scene, the more I'm convinced that Phantom is using Tsubaki and when Tsubaki is speaking after she changes to black, it seems that Phantom is the one really speaking through her. There is no other reason for Phantom to even be there. So to cut to the chase, I wonder if its even possible for Tsubaki to save herself at this point or if it will have to be Jin or someone else saving her. The whole "I'm jealous that Noel took my place by Jin's side so I'll completely change 180 degrees and also kill Jin for not supporting the NOL" seems way way WAY too drastic. As I said, perhaps her wavering resolve, her jealousy, and the Izayoi were all catalysts but the end result isn't all her doing. Every time she speaks as that form I hear Phantom, not her. Least that's what my take on it is.
ChrisX Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Ehecatl! How I missed you! Thank you for your explanation on Tsubaki. I must've been too contaminated with BB GameFAQS people who just takes it with face value, thus explaining about the mindset about "Tsubaki becomes evil because she's just jealous!!" or "Litchi is a two-faced, selfish ***** who ignores Arakune's warning and joins NOL!". Gives me more reasons not to visit that place...
Super Robot War Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Ehecatl! How I missed you! Thank you for your explanation on Tsubaki. I must've been too contaminated with BB GameFAQS people who just takes it with face value, thus explaining about the mindset about "Tsubaki becomes evil because she's just jealous!!" or "Litchi is a two-faced, selfish ***** who ignores Arakune's warning and joins NOL!". Gives me more reasons not to visit that place... I got banned for telling a user he was a joke. I have no use for the place.
Ehecatl Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Ehecatl! How I missed you! Thank you for your explanation on Tsubaki. I must've been too contaminated with BB GameFAQS people who just takes it with face value, thus explaining about the mindset about "Tsubaki becomes evil because she's just jealous!!" or "Litchi is a two-faced, selfish ***** who ignores Arakune's warning and joins NOL!". Gives me more reasons not to visit that place... Hah! I had no idea I was so appreciated. :grin: Thank you. And yes, as for GameFAQS, I wouldn't waste my time there. In many of my curious meanderings I've yet to find anyone with half a grain of intelligence there. I've experienced many a facepalm at the misfortune of reading certain posts though. And yes, I am not one to simply subscribe to the argument that mere jealousy could cause such a drastic change in Tsubaki. Even in her own storyline, when she fights Noel and is steaming with jealousy and anger, she still hasn't the heart to kill her when she is in her 'normal' form. If you'll notice, the only time she's actually cold at all is when she's in that black form, and it doesn't seem she turned that way willingly at all. And also, we must remember that Izayoi plays a HUGE factor here in regards to her emotions. It can steal the light of the user's soul. Before Hazama gave Tsubaki a taste of jealousy, Tsubaki was fine aside from her eyes progressively going blind. Suddenly, Hazama opens the door to doubt in her emotions and that crack in the door probably was all the Izayoi needed to steal Tsubaki's light. Even Hakumen tells Tsubaki to be careful as all those he ever knew who used the Izayoi met very "cold" ends. Notice as well... once her form does go black, suddenly she has no problem seeing. Suddenly, she's not struggling. Its only while she was without doubt and was strong at heart that she had trouble maintaining her sight. And like I said, I think Phantom plays a huge part here. Once Tsubaki looses her light, all the sudden Phantom is there and I got a feeling that Izayoi is directly connected to Phantom in a way that she can probably use Tsubaki now. That is speculative-- but regardless, Tsubaki isn't wholly in control of herself here. I think without the Izayoi that Tsubaki wouldn't have been effected the way she was in concerns to Noel. Sure, she might be jealous of her. Might be angry even. But the result wouldn't have been what we see now.
ChrisX Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Hah! I had no idea I was so appreciated. :grin: Thank you. And yes, as for GameFAQS, I wouldn't waste my time there. In many of my curious meanderings I've yet to find anyone with half a grain of intelligence there. I've experienced many a facepalm at the misfortune of reading certain posts though. You totally deserved the appreciation, though. I would've been too contaminated with those from GameFAQS (Especially about Litchi) if it wasn't for our last conversation about her. And you know what? The more I avoid GameFAQS, I think the more I can avoid having too much doubts on 'How Litchi has fallen'. I'd like to believe that she hasn't. At least that's what everyone said, be it here, TV Tropes or just about any other BB fans I know (except those in GameFAQS, of course!). I can always appreciate those who make walls of texts, and are still civil about it. But enough about that, now... I'm probably raising my old question but would Kokonoe think even twice to kill Litchi? She betrayed her after all. And judging from her reaction to Terumi, I get the feeling that she's the kind of type who doesn't take traitors well. Litchi might not be resigning from S7, but joining NOL still counts as a betrayal for S7, so if Kokonoe (assuming that she's not S7's top person like Saya to NOL) is given orders to kill her, would she be "Very well, she's a stubborn traitor. I'll make her learn with death", or she'll try to reconsider and have doubts? Also, do you think Litchi would hate Kokonoe for refusing to help her, which caused her to fight on the side she probably wouldn't want? (As I said, it could be one thing Terumi could twist from her)
Alpha to Omega Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 Unless, the illusion of a world that must be observed to exist fades. In which case, I believe Rachel, Hakumen, Terumi, etc. would all fade with it. It isn't known if they can maintain their existence in the real world, as the world of the azure is in a completely different dimension if I'm reading it correctly. Hard to tell where they're taking this story. The real world is messed up and destroyed. All that exists is a fake one made of the Azure and observed by Takamagahara and the master unit. Since Takamagahara is destroyed along with, perhaps, the master unit-- I've no idea how the world maintains its own existence as Terumi and Saya desire its destruction and need only refuse to observe it to achieve that... I think. If I'm understanding it right. Damn quantum physics and all that shit. Even after studying the theory of Schrodinger's Cat, this boggles my mind... Uh, I think you've got that wrong. The BlazBlue world is the "real" world, it isn't a fake one made by the Azure. The dead world thing is basically Hazama saying the world SHOULD be dead but isn't due to time repeating over and over. And I don't think mankind needs an observer since they predate the first one.
Circuitous Posted August 10, 2010 Author Posted August 10, 2010 I never noticed this before, but there is a symbol above the "SOI" symbol, but below "Jubei" symbol. It's long and looks like a bow. I thought it might have been part of the "SOI", but upon closer inspection, it's a totally different color. So, this might likely be another Drive symbol (which would make sense, as 2 brand new characters were revealed last game, and this game appeared to reveal only what I suspect to be Jubei and a redone Nu) for a new character, and since it's a bow, likely a zoning character. If you mean the purplish-red thing that extends from almost-the-left-side to almost-the-right-side, those are the "wings" of Ragna's emblem that fold up in the merged SOI/Black Beast emblem. It is not a new emblem, the SOI/BB emblem just fades from purple to reddish. Just check the pattern, and compare them to the "wings" on the right side of Ragna's emblem, pointing downward.
p-kun Posted August 10, 2010 Posted August 10, 2010 -snip - Oh my god, it's like you are reading my mind . I have to add though, that Tsubaki has a loving family unlike Jin. For her, it's like betraying her love or betraying her family. The only happy ending for her would be that Jin returns to NOL. Which was the basis of most of her action in CS. And let's face it, Jin is a pushover. He always does what Tsubaki wants. She wanted him to be her "brother", he did and boy, he's a much better "brother" to Tsubaki than to Saya. She liked him to open up and be more sociable, he did in the academy and got stressed out. She liked justice and hamminess, he did (Hakumen is like how Jin will be if influenced heavily by Tsubaki). In short, Jin is easier to convince than her family. Add in the "loyalty to NOL" spirit that she was raised and educated in. Education is one way to brainwash sb, especially children. Besides, being jealous is very human. People say that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Why is it that everyone else are allowed but she are not allowed to be jealous? She did what good person does and bottled it up. Even if she snapped, it's still ok. People who are close do fight once in a while. In fact, just last month I had my little sister picked a fight at me because she thought our parents loved me more than her. The fight didn't even last 20 minutes. Just a short burst of rage and hormones, etc etc. I'm guessing the same with Tsubaki. (though the fighting game nature makes the fight more physical instead of verbal) In the end, normal Tsubaki always pulls her punches and loses. Even when she wins, she never has the heart to kill Noel, heck, she doesn't even have the heart to drag Noel back to NOL against Noel's wishes. I think as long as Tsubaki doesn't crosses the line, she's still redeemable. Not commendable, but understandable. Another interesting point is the "light" that Izayoi takes. We know that it's not just eyesight. In the arcade, she said that as long as the "light" in her heart will never fade, she's ok being blind. It seems that the black Tsubaki lost this so called "light", which is why she was so vulnerable to mind control. I wonder what is this, her love? Her conviction that she's doing the right thing? Nothing fits perfectly.
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