Shadow Draygon Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 Really if you boil Litchi's character down she's not a very good person. She's extremely selfish, guilt driven, and makes lots of choices that ends up being worst than the addressing the problem directly. Even her trying to save Ara can be considered a selfish act because she's in the same boat as him and she feels if she doesn't save him she can't save herself and then maybe, just maybe, she'll be able to forgive herself for how she treated Lotte. She puts on the nice girl act simply to make herself feel better, not because she's a good person. And most of the time those people she helped were simply because they had some connection with Arakune and by associating with them the chances she could run into him. And since the NOL have Ara now, it's a no brainer that she'd join up so she can be closer with Ara and will probably do anything she's asked because of that. Litchi is far from being considered a goddess.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 is anyone in this game really a good person? o3o i cant think of a single one...cept for lamby, she's a sweetheart.
smooshman Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 is anyone in this game really a good person? o3o i cant think of a single one...cept for lamby, she's a sweetheart. the main protaganist is a class III/IV anti hero, and his brother was a complete monster turned class V anti hero (there's only V levels too), their female counter part is stupid good, and her "evil" counter part is lawful stupid.... and that's the "good guys". oh and there's a lawful neutral dick in a mask. the only good character is Juubei.... and we only know like 3 things about him, so you know.... it could get worse.
mAc Chaos Posted August 16, 2010 Posted August 16, 2010 You can't say someone is bad for having selfish desires. Everyone does. The question is how you treat everyone around you regardless.
pktazn Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Lambda is indeed a sweetheart. I love her but not as much as Tsubaki. Tsubaki is no. 1 in my heart. Bless you, then, for not going overboard like I did. Last time I did go overboard with other character from another series and the result wasn't pretty, the whole fandom avoids liking the character I went overboard with, just so they avoid associating with a silly fanboy like me. I'm nearly repeating the same thing here. Still, I guess it is kind of a bad habit for me to be such an information hound when it comes to my favorite. And part of that comes from me looking at Litchi the wrong way, rather than looking at her as a 'lover', I'm looking at her as a figure of 'goodness', so of course I was disappointed at that, because I thought joining NOL no matter what reasons cemented you as 'bad'. Right now I'm still confused on her eventual alignment: Is she good or is she neutral? But... well I won't force you to answer. If there's no answer, I'd still consider it good, because I've seen another guy who'll "Endanger the world to be destroyed in order to save a beloved", and it's still considered 'Good'. You shouldn't see Litchi, as a "goddess" or a "lover" or "good" or "bad". She's just Litchi. Accept/acknowledge that she isn't perfect and still like her. Despite what she's doing she still has good points and what she's doing is understandable in a way from her point of view. ... I seriously think that's the only reason why people don't hound me for liking Tsubaki so much. EDIT: I just saw the Litchi sprite you put up SD and even though I've seen it before I lol'd again.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 it's all yours fault for putting so much pressure on the poor girl, she feels like she's got the whole world on her chest imean shoulders as it is
Prototype909 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 You can't say someone is bad for having selfish desires. Everyone does. The question is how you treat everyone around you regardless. Uhh...the bitch pretty much leaves the Kaka village out to dry despite having ample ability and time to kill Arakune (I mean, he's fucking eating them).
Irikarul Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 is anyone in this game really a good person? o3o i cant think of a single one...cept for lamby, she's a sweetheart. Lambda (as you mentioned), as well as Bang, Noel, Makoto, Jubei, and Ada, when she was alive. Arguably, Taokaka, Tager, and even Carl both before the events of CT and potentially in the future, if he sticks to what he said in his CS story mode ending. the main protaganist is a class III/IV anti hero, and his brother was a complete monster turned class V anti hero (there's only V levels too), their female counter part is stupid good, and her "evil" counter part is lawful stupid.... and that's the "good guys". oh and there's a lawful neutral dick in a mask. the only good character is Juubei.... and we only know like 3 things about him, so you know.... it could get worse. Jin was never a "Complete Monster" by tvtropes' definition, even though he did some pretty bad things in CT. I thought you of all people would know that, smooshy, considering how much you reference the place.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 noel: working with a traitor to the people bang: filled with hate towards jin (ct) and the nol in general...and is racist (see: his fights with tager) makoto: is a traitor (not a good quality) jubei: sends kids to do a mans job ada: that's cheating. only know about her from the words of a kid with a sister complex taokaka:steals food tager: fights innocent people just cause someone told him to; a yes man carl: paranoid, fights people at the drop of a top-hat
smooshman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Jin was never a "Complete Monster" by tvtropes' definition, even though he did some pretty bad things in CT. I thought you of all people would know that, smooshy, considering how much you reference the place. oh right, I should've said jerkass yandere. seriously though.... I'm not seeing him being a very effective good guy.
Seadragon77 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 noel: working with a traitor to the people bang: filled with hate towards jin (ct) and the nol in general...and is racist (see: his fights with tager) makoto: is a traitor (not a good quality) jubei: sends kids to do a mans job ada: that's cheating. only know about her from the words of a kid with a sister complex taokaka:steals food tager: fights innocent people just cause someone told him to; a yes man carl: paranoid, fights people at the drop of a top-hat Counter points... Noel: She's forced (read: Mind Raped) to serve his purposes. Bang: He has a reason to go after Jin and the NOL for they wiped out his home land. Don't you think he wants revenge for that? The other kinda seems surprising, but I guess it has to do with Tager being the 'Red Devil' and all. Makoto: So, being a double agent for Sector Seven is techinically a bad thing? Hm. That's new. Jubei: Considering that Jubei is the 'Strongest Creature in the World', having him being involved now would pretty much end the story because he'd wipe the floor with everyone. Ada: Unsure here because they really haven't delved into the backstory of Ada Clover (and for that matter, Ignis as well). Taokaka: She's a catgirl, for crying out loud! Cats are known for being tricky little buggers. Tager: So? He's only doing what Kokonoe wants. Carl: Who can really blame him for being paranoid? The fact that, to him, most of the adults in this world have lied to him have changed his viewpoint massively.
ChrisX Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 You shouldn't see Litchi, as a "goddess" or a "lover" or "good" or "bad". She's just Litchi. Accept/acknowledge that she isn't perfect and still like her. Despite what she's doing she still has good points and what she's doing is understandable in a way from her point of view. ... I seriously think that's the only reason why people don't hound me for liking Tsubaki so much. I didn't say 'Goddess', I said 'GOODNESS'... Though I agree that with lots of her kindness, I thought she was a good example of goodness. I wasn't expecting her to be perfect anyway, but she just... struck me on the worst spot possible. The reveal that she is possibly amoral. And again, as said many times, what are the assurances that all her good and kind deeds she did was not a lie? Considering how she really did all that, we have no insurances that she's not lying when she's doing good. All I fear is that all her good things were revealed to be: "Oh, all that good acts? It's all lies." Say what you will, but SD makes valid points, and we have no proof about her genuineness as of now. And I also have a theory that she will completely fall off to the deep end, unable to keep her morals (if she has any at all) by joining NOL. Sector Seven will probably hunt her down as a traitor now, Kokonoe refused to help her, what more reasons for her to grow to hate them because they're not helping her at all? If she truly is that much selfish, such thing will happen, right? (Hopefully, this isn't going so much as overboard. Since I'm having a hard time accepting that she will be viewed as an antagonist from now on, and rather unsympathetic at that. I know I'm not going to like considering her a bad guy. Even if her stance is like this, I wanted to believe that she is still a good person, but when the facts say otherwise... (as if, at first I thought she is comparable to Sophitia in Soul Calibur, but this one reveals that she's more like Ivy)) *Madness Mantra begin* FateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeelFateStayNightHeavensFeel.... *Madness Mantra end*
Halcyone3 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Jubei: Considering that Jubei is the 'Strongest Creature in the World', having him being involved now would pretty much end the story because he'd wipe the floor with everyone he got his butt handed to him though =x
Seadragon77 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Guess I missed that part... But, I said considering. That doesn't mean he couldn't get his butt kicked or anything (Which turned out to be the case here)
ChrisX Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 he got his butt handed to him though =x Though the element of surprise do play a factor. If Jubei sensed nostalgic things in Phantom (the rumors about Nine's soul being there), it's always a chance to strike him unprepared, and beat him down like that. Also, 'Strongest' can mean... in the terms of TV Tropes... 'Glass Cannon'. Jubei is strong and probably very agile as well, but he probably takes hit like a girl. Nobody ever told you how TOUGH he was, right? Especially with stature like that...
Seadragon77 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 You know, you make a good point ChrisX. I don't think anyone has ever learned how strong Jubei really is. They all say he's the strongest, but outside of his weapon (which can cut through anything), who knows what he can do.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 those counter-points don't exactly disprove anything i stated o3o just gives reasons why they're bad people
Seadragon77 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 those counter-points don't exactly disprove anything i stated o3o just gives reasons why they're bad people Well, I tried.
smooshman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Also, 'Strongest' can mean... in the terms of TV Tropes... 'Glass Cannon'. Jubei is strong and probably very agile as well, but he probably takes hit like a girl. Nobody ever told you how TOUGH he was, right? Especially with stature like that... well, Ragna takes hits like a bitch so.......
pktazn Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I didn't say 'Goddess', I said 'GOODNESS'... Though I agree that with lots of her kindness, I thought she was a good example of goodness. I wasn't expecting her to be perfect anyway, but she just... struck me on the worst spot possible. The reveal that she is possibly amoral. And again, as said many times, what are the assurances that all her good and kind deeds she did was not a lie? Considering how she really did all that, we have no insurances that she's not lying when she's doing good. All I fear is that all her good things were revealed to be: "Oh, all that good acts? It's all lies." Say what you will, but SD makes valid points, and we have no proof about her genuineness as of now. And I also have a theory that she will completely fall off to the deep end, unable to keep her morals (if she has any at all) by joining NOL. Sector Seven will probably hunt her down as a traitor now, Kokonoe refused to help her, what more reasons for her to grow to hate them because they're not helping her at all? If she truly is that much selfish, such thing will happen, right? Does it matter if it was a lie? She still did those deeds. I never thought Litchi was "good" but she was just herself. Kokonoe already doesn't like her so it doesn't matter and you could get hints that she wouldn't be on the "good" side for long if you really paid attention in CT tbh.
ChrisX Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Does it matter if it was a lie? She still did those deeds. I never thought Litchi was "good" but she was just herself. Kokonoe already doesn't like her so it doesn't matter and you could get hints that she wouldn't be on the "good" side for long if you really paid attention in CT tbh. Well it... kinda matters. If it's true, it means, she's pretty much as manipulative as Terumi, "Only give when it's beneficial, and when it proves useless, throw it away." And as I said before, I did re-read her story in CT. Did I miss something from my observation? You know, you make a good point ChrisX. I don't think anyone has ever learned how strong Jubei really is. They all say he's the strongest, but outside of his weapon (which can cut through anything), who knows what he can do. Hm... playing Street Fighter too much will do that for ya. Jubei is probably a bit like Akuma. Powerful, agile, but... LOW DEFENSE.
pktazn Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I personally don't think what she's doing is in anyway the same as what Terumi is doing but that's just me.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 selling yourself out to save the man you love < killing everyone on the planet for lulz
Hi I'm Asylum Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 tager: fights innocent people just cause someone told him to; a yes man Who does Tager fight that is innocent?
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Who does Tager fight that is innocent? ok wrong wording fighting people without cause other than kokonoe saying "I dont like him, beat him up!" or "we don't have time, so beat them up anyway!"
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