Continuum Shift SPECULATION/THEORIES

[Firekid2]

I thought we established that Rachel bites Ragna in every loop...

[kylehyde]

I don't claim to understand the story fully of Blazblue. But from all the information I've seen online it says that he's a dampir? Something like that, half vamp half human. I thought that Rachel had to have bit him every time in every loop simply for the fact that if she didn't he would have died. Knowing Rachel she probably would of bitten him just because she likes him.

[mundus]

Isn't a Dampire the child of a human and a vampire? Since i really cant see how Ranga is one since i haven't seen anywhere in the story where this was mentioned. The bite from Rachel affected him some though, his eye got red, so i guess you could say he is not 100% human either.

[zephyr07]

Additionally, his eye stops working at the same time as his right arm. That's definitely not a coincidence. If his eye is really from Rachel, why it should not stop working the moment he loses the blazblue.

To nitpick though, the BBMC says he was bitten in one of the earlier loops so, not necessarily the first one.

the word used in the mc is 初期, which means initial. the exact phrase is 初期のループでラグナを助けるために生涯一度だけ吸血を試みた。So the translation would be "In the initial loop for the sake of saving Ragna she tried sucking blood for only once in her lifetime." note lifetime here is 生涯, and it means one's existence till death, so rachel only sucked blood once in her entire lifetime time, complete with loops.

I don't claim to understand the story fully of Blazblue. But from all the information I've seen online it says that he's a dampir? Something like that, half vamp half human. I thought that Rachel had to have bit him every time in every loop simply for the fact that if she didn't he would have died. Knowing Rachel she probably would of bitten him just because she likes him.

ragna's not a half vampire. rachel bit him just once. the rest of the loops is probably rachel activating the black beast's remains to save him. where are you getting your info from?

[kylehyde]

the word used in the mc is 初期, which means initial. the exact phrase is 初期のループでラグナを助けるために生涯一度だけ吸血を試みた。So the translation would be "In the initial loop for the sake of saving Ragna she tried sucking blood for only once in her lifetime." note lifetime here is 生涯, and it means one's existence till death, so rachel only sucked blood once in her entire lifetime time, complete with loops.

ragna's not a half vampire. rachel bit him just once. the rest of the loops is probably rachel activating the black beast's remains to save him. where are you getting your info from?

stupid places like Blazblue wikia

[p-kun]

@zephyr: oh, I used to think that since the book didn't use the stronger word 最初, so it's not necessarily the first one but one of the initial loops. But I concede, since you're better at Japanese. It does makes more sense too. In the first loop, she didn't know when Terumi would attack, so she was late and by then, Ragna could not be saved without biting.

Well, since Rachel's short story in the MC is definitely not the first loop, and she only bit Ragna in the first loop, that means that she didn't bite him in that short story.

Moving on to the next speculation. Does Jin ever specifically mention that he hates Noel because of her resemblance to Saya and because she reminds him of some other person? After listening to the drama CD, I'm starting to doubt that the adult Jin hates Saya. He doesn't hate Nu at the first sight (not until she starts stabbing Ragna anyway).

And he has neutral tone when talking to or about Saya, instead of the low-cold-contemptuous tone he use almost exclusively when talking about or to Noel. In general for Jin's Japanese voice, the lower the tone, the more he hates you or the worse his mood.

[zephyr07]

@zephyr: oh, I used to think that since the book didn't use the stronger word 最初, so it's not necessarily the first one but one of the initial loops. But I concede, since you're better at Japanese. It does makes more sense too. In the first loop, she didn't know when Terumi would attack, so she was late and by then, Ragna could not be saved without biting.

Well, since Rachel's short story in the MC is definitely not the first loop, and she only bit Ragna in the first loop, that means that she didn't bite him in that short story.

Moving on to the next speculation. Does Jin ever specifically mention that he hates Noel because of her resemblance to Saya and because she reminds him of some other person? After listening to the drama CD, I'm starting to doubt that the adult Jin hates Saya. He doesn't hate Nu at the first sight (not until she starts stabbing Ragna anyway).

And he has neutral tone when talking to or about Saya, instead of the low-cold-contemptuous tone he use almost exclusively when talking about or to Noel. In general for Jin's Japanese voice, the lower the tone, the more he hates you or the worse his mood.

Personal speculation: Jin has the power of order, he's brings order to the world. Noel is an existence that shouldn't have existed, so as the world's antibody he's responding to her like she's a virus.

[Circuitous]

That's the most sensible thing I've read all day.

[DonMagicJuan]

Personal speculation: Jin has the power of order, he's brings order to the world. Noel is an existence that shouldn't have existed, so as the world's antibody he's responding to her like she's a virus.

Makes sense. Since he also wants to destroy the Black Beast as Hakumen. Another being that shouldn't exist. Or at least it shouldn't exist in the past.

[kylehyde]

kind of off topic, but didn't anyone else find it kind of odd at the end of the game when Ragna tells Rachel that he beat Terumi while Rachel isn't really all that surprised? It bugged me because through out the entire game she kept telling him that he could not win, and when he does she doesn't even seem all that surprised. Keep in mind she didn't know that he had absorbed the idea engine.

Does that mean that she knew that he was going to beat him in advance?

[Siefer]

kind of off topic, but didn't anyone else find it kind of odd at the end of the game when Ragna tells Rachel that he beat Terumi while Rachel isn't really all that surprised? It bugged me because through out the entire game she kept telling him that he could not win, and when he does she doesn't even seem all that surprised. Keep in mind she didn't know that he had absorbed the idea engine.

Does that mean that she knew that he was going to beat him in advance?

I have nothing substantial to back this up, I was under the impression that she simply believed that he would win. From a logical standpoint, she probably knew that Ragna couldn't win, but regardless, she probably believed that if anyone could do the impossible, it was him.

...how he came to do it is of no concern to her.

[Lou_Cypher]

Well it's not like Rachel could say something like 'I told you so.' She was probably pleasantly surprised but couldn't really show it considering Ragna also saved her from Phantom's little trap.

[kylehyde]

For me its like there is always some underlying meaning to everything she says.

[p-kun]

A question for the myth buffs in the forum. We know that BB has a lot of references to mythology, especially Japanese. Jin mentioned in the Drama CD that another moon is falling and that if he didn't kill Ragna soon, the world would go mad. Is this a reference to some myth? To begin with, does the BB world have multiple moons? I never pay much attention to the background pics to notice.

Another speculation. Hakumen never specifically mentioned whether he loved Tsubaki romantically or not (just a sister). I felt the Drama CD shot the ship down. I felt that Jin was aware of her feelings (even Ragna noticed within 5 mins of meeting her) and despite that, he was actively ignoring her, probably because he believed that romance was pointless, as he told Tsubaki in arcade. Does anyone else feel the same?

[mAc Chaos]

^That was when he was Jin though. I think when he was Hakumen he realized he was wrong.

[zephyr07]

A question for the myth buffs in the forum. We know that BB has a lot of references to mythology, especially Japanese. Jin mentioned in the Drama CD that another moon is falling and that if he didn't kill Ragna soon, the world would go mad. Is this a reference to some myth? To begin with, does the BB world have multiple moons? I never pay much attention to the background pics to notice.

Another speculation. Hakumen never specifically mentioned whether he loved Tsubaki romantically or not (just a sister). I felt the Drama CD shot the ship down. I felt that Jin was aware of her feelings (even Ragna noticed within 5 mins of meeting her) and despite that, he was actively ignoring her, probably because he believed that romance was pointless, as he told Tsubaki in arcade. Does anyone else feel the same?

Personally I think Jin did love Tsubaki more than just like a sister, just that their family circumstances didn't allow them to be together, and he probably only realised it once she was dying. There's a reason why hakumen's move is called tsubaki and not saya.

[harmless kitten]

A question for the myth buffs in the forum. We know that BB has a lot of references to mythology, especially Japanese. Jin mentioned in the Drama CD that another moon is falling and that if he didn't kill Ragna soon, the world would go mad. Is this a reference to some myth? To begin with, does the BB world have multiple moons? I never pay much attention to the background pics to notice.

Another speculation. Hakumen never specifically mentioned whether he loved Tsubaki romantically or not (just a sister). I felt the Drama CD shot the ship down. I felt that Jin was aware of her feelings (even Ragna noticed within 5 mins of meeting her) and despite that, he was actively ignoring her, probably because he believed that romance was pointless, as he told Tsubaki in arcade. Does anyone else feel the same?

The only weird thing about the moon in BB that I noticed is that it looks to be a lot closer than it should be--but I'm not sure whether this is intentional or just a result of stylization. Jin's weird thing with the moon has puzzled me for ages. :/ (It also turns red occasionally--though you could either blame this on a lunar eclipse or lolmagic! as in Rachel's castle.)

Re: Jin; I got the feeling that Jin always regarded Tsubaki as a sister, and was very much aware of her feelings but was hesitant to tell her that no, he didn't love her like that. So...he never did. Also Jin is bitter and hypocritical as fuck. But I'm biased as hell, so! :<

[p-kun]

^That was when he was Jin though. I think when he was Hakumen he realized he was wrong.

Well, the question is that is that love romantic or not. Hakumen caring for Tsubaki over Ragna, as opposed to Jin caring more about Ragna than Tsubaki, might stem from massive amount of guilt. He did hurt her physically and mentally just before her death.

Personally I think Jin did love Tsubaki more than just like a sister, just that their family circumstances didn't allow them to be together, and he probably only realised it once she was dying. There's a reason why hakumen's move is called tsubaki and not saya.

Family wise, The Yayois like people with high ars magus aptitude. I don't see any problem. The only problem with be with the Kisaragis, who may not want to lose their best human resource.

Unlike Tsubaki, Jin doesn't seem to be interested in jumping on Tsubaki, and thus, I think his feeling is not romantic in nature. As for the move name, maybe guilt/some way to remind himself to atone for his sins.

The only weird thing about the moon in BB that I noticed is that it looks to be a lot closer than it should be--but I'm not sure whether this is intentional or just a result of stylization. Jin's weird thing with the moon has puzzled me for ages. :/ (It also turns red occasionally--though you could either blame this on a lunar eclipse or lolmagic! as in Rachel's castle.)

Re: Jin; I got the feeling that Jin always regarded Tsubaki as a sister, and was very much aware of her feelings but was hesitant to tell her that no, he didn't love her like that. So...he never did. Also Jin is bitter and hypocritical as fuck. But I'm biased as hell, so! :<

I used to think that Jin's obsession with the moon is just a fun shout out to TTGL. Nothing more meaningful than that. But in the Drama CD, Ragna also got creeped out by the moon though, so it's not just Jin anymore. Another info is that he said that the world would go mad if he didn't kill Ragna ASAP. So I start wondering if the Susano myth or the Ragnarok myth mentions moon or the world going mad.

I liked Jin and Tsubaki since CT and I had high hopes that one (Tsubaki) would at least confess before Tsubaki's death. But no such luck. Instead in the CD, they are so close yet more distant than ever.

[ED_Cantu]

Family wise, The Yayois like people with high ars magus aptitude.

When the family was starting yes, but then they started to inbreed and even the Imperator told them to stop being that way, but even so they refused to change.

So no, they would never allow Tsubaki to be with someone outside the Yayoi family, and you already explained the problem with the kisaragis.

As for the move name, maybe guilt/some way to remind himself to atone for his sins.

Maybe but Hakumen specifically said that because of her he was not another casualty in the war, i don't think that has anything to do with guilt.

Other thing we need to have in mind, is that most of the scenes in the Drama CD happen just a couple of days before Jin went after Ragna (and we know the effect Ragna has in Jin:v:), and they tell us just a little about their interaction when they were together in those six months before that.

Then the scene between Tsubaki and Hakumen in the story mode is very revealing, Hakumen asking her to let him see her face and phrases like "Unfortunately our situation changed", "I was foolish", "...I lost her"

That didn't struck me as if he was talking out of guilt when i first watched it. I think maybe Jin was aware of Tsubaki's feelings, maybe not or maybe he realised his feelings for her once she died.

And about Jin and the moon, yeah i never understood that, why does he hate the moon? and what did he mean with "another moon is falling"? so if anyone know please post it.

[smooshman]

I would imagine doesn't really acknowledge his love for tsu.... because he's well.... Jin, he's not exactly that type of person.

[AppleJuice]

Is there a youtube link of the Wheel of Fortune drama CD?

[p-kun]

When the family was starting yes, but then they started to inbreed and even the Imperator told them to stop being that way, but even so they refused to change.

So no, they would never allow Tsubaki to be with someone outside the Yayoi family, and you already explained the problem with the kisaragis.

Other thing we need to have in mind, is that most of the scenes in the Drama CD happen just a couple of days before Jin went after Ragna (and we know the effect Ragna has in Jin:v:), and they tell us just a little about their interaction when they were together in those six months before that.

And about Jin and the moon, yeah i never understood that, why does he hate the moon? and what did he mean with "another moon is falling"? so if anyone know please post it.

For the Yayois, I always think inbreeding is just the last resort, at least I hope so.

As for the Drama CD, Tsubaki complained to Makoto that Jin stopped sharing his feelings about anything post Ikaruga. I think it's confirmed that Tsubaki and Jin's relationship during her 6+ months tenure is mostly on professional basis.

As for the moon issue, we don't know till next official material, unless it's a reference to some myth or other stuff we know.

I would imagine doesn't really acknowledge his love for tsu.... because he's well.... Jin, he's not exactly that type of person.

I disagree, I think Jin is very forward if he likes someone (poor Ragna). I'm going more to the direction that Jin is the type of person that believe he doesn't have time or interest in romance.

[harmless kitten]

[qoute]I disagree, I think Jin is very forward if he likes someone (poor Ragna). I'm going more to the direction that Jin is the type of person that believe he doesn't have time or interest in romance.

[gamera]

I disagree, I think Jin is very forward if he likes someone (poor Ragna). I'm going more to the direction that Jin is the type of person that believe he doesn't have time or interest in romance.

Jin does strike me as someone more jaded. He's seen and done a lot of things as the "Hero" of Ikaruga and in his current state probably just doesn't give a flying flip or believe in anything but a select few. Tsubaki mentioning him being distant could be the classic "thousand yard stare" that war veterans have had since before print.

Hakumen has had a lot of time to think about the things he's done, especially after he got his tail kicked the first time by the Black Beast. As opposed to being his nihilistic former self, Hakumen has thrown himself into the "live for nothing or die for something" creed.

[Lou_Cypher]

Bleh, don't know if this goes here but...

Does anyone have the link to the interview where Mori and Ishiwatari basically denied Jin's... gayness?