pktazn Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 idk what he says in the eng version, YouTube isn't loading for me. :| Here's the exact spot in the True End on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJSkVsDngfg#t=3m40 Ragna: Just shut the hell up! So what if you're not human?! I'm just like you! God only knows whose soul this actually is! But it doesn't matter... I'm a person... A human being!
Zazz Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 idk what he says in the eng version, YouTube isn't loading for me. :| i think i see the problem. in the english, hazama's lines use the term "puppet" rather than "doll" "Doll" does give the more obvious connotation that he's some sort of artificial construct Hazama: Whoa there, Rags old boy. You're being a little pushy. Also she's got a name you know! Kusanagi. Not Noel. Noel is just a puppet. Just like you, Rags. She's just somebody else's puppet. Ragna: . . . Bastard. Hazama: Hm? Those eyes don't lie, do they? Guess the cat probably told you already, huh . . . shoot. Just like him to steal my thunder . . .
Alpha to Omega Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 1. According to Rachel's short story she doesn't bite Ragna every loop, he's probably not half-vamp. But this is an ongoing debate so IDEK. Actually that seems to have come from a misunderstanding on p-kun's part, at least going by zephyr's translation. While the bite isn't shown the story goes from Rachel saying she'll suck his blood to Ragna staring up at the sky with his new red eye. That's a pretty big hint that she did indeed bite him. And there's nothing indicating it doesn't happen every loop.
Suzaku Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Valk's birthday is sept. 15th he'll be released sept 15th Imagenius September 15th is also Keirou no Hi, Respect-for-the-Aged Day.
harmless kitten Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Actually that seems to have come from a misunderstanding on p-kun's part, at least going by zephyr's translation. While the bite isn't shown the story goes from Rachel saying she'll suck his blood to Ragna staring up at the sky with his new red eye. That's a pretty big hint that she did indeed bite him. And there's nothing indicating it doesn't happen every loop. Oh, ffff, I guess my brain didn't process that part. My bad, then. Though really, it's not like Ragna being halfvamp or not has had any affect on the plot, so. i think i see the problem. in the english, hazama's lines use the term "puppet" rather than "doll" "Doll" does give the more obvious connotation that he's some sort of artificial construct Yeah, puppet implies more that he's just a tool for someone rather than a full-fledged artificial human that's been grown in a vat or something. Idk, I guess we'll see when BB2 unless there's going to be some supplemental material that touches on the theory.
p-kun Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 ^^ you are interpreting too deep. The Japanese dialogue can be interpreted both ways. I believe that Japanese doesn't have separate nouns for puppet and doll. On the other hand, despite my nitpick above, I do believe that the dialogue refers to artificial humans instead of tool.
harmless kitten Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 ^^ you are interpreting too deep. The Japanese dialogue can be interpreted both ways. I believe that Japanese doesn't have separate nouns for puppet and doll. On the other hand, despite my nitpick above, I do believe that the dialogue refers to artificial humans instead of tool. Oh yeah, I know that, I'm just commenting that the English version makes it a lot easier to glance over the implications that Ragna's artificial. I firmly believe that the siblings are artificially made as well. Sorry if that wasn't clear, oops.
InfinityClimax Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 September 15th is also Keirou no Hi, Respect-for-the-Aged Day. Just curious if anyone knows platinums birthday??
Shadow Draygon Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Just curious if anyone knows platinums birthday?? Don't you mean Birthdays?
p-kun Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Oh yeah, I know that, I'm just commenting that the English version makes it a lot easier to glance over the implications that Ragna's artificial. I firmly believe that the siblings are artificially made as well. Sorry if that wasn't clear, oops. It's speculative though. All we know is that Ragna and possibly his siblings are not humans. Not born normally =/= artificial (man made). Noel and her sisters are definitely made by other humans, but Ragna and his siblings, we don't know. They can be born from the earth ala. Son Goku or maybe even the corpse of black beast, or whatever. Heck, maybe only one or two were born by themselves, the remaining were artificially made. At this rate, the story can go anywhere.
harmless kitten Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Just curious if anyone knows platinums birthday?? Official profile says June 6th, I suppose it's referring to the body. Who knows if Sena or Luna have differing birthdays, and if they do, what they are.
InfinityClimax Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Official profile says June 6th, I suppose it's referring to the body. Who knows if Sena or Luna have differing birthdays, and if they do, what they are. well that rules out her release being hinted at in her birthday.......... hmmm, can i have link to this 'official profile'? Or at least a list of the info from it?
harmless kitten Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 well that rules out her release being hinted at in her birthday.......... hmmm, can i have link to this 'official profile'? Or at least a list of the info from it? Platinum the Trinity Height: 152 cm Weight: 40 kg Birthday: June 6 Blood Type: AB Birthplace: The 9th Hierarchical City "Akitsu" (France) Hobbies: Othello Likes: Mr. Jubei Dislikes: Snakes, that guy who always hangs around Mr. Jubei 40 kg is about 88 lbs, 152 cm is almost 5 ft.
InfinityClimax Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Platinum the Trinity Height: 152 cm Weight: 40 kg Birthday: June 6 Blood Type: AB Birthplace: The 9th Hierarchical City "Akitsu" (France) Hobbies: Othello Likes: Mr. Jubei Dislikes: Snakes, that guy who always hangs around Mr. Jubei 40 kg is about 88 lbs, 152 cm is almost 5 ft. Othello is her hobby? Oh wow, I really cannot wait to see her joke ending. Also, I just realized........ Continuum Shift 2 is the arcade version of the DLC and balance patch, so what if that patch adds in arcade mode for the DLC characters? They will obviously have an arcade mode in the arcade version.... Maybe we will get lucky and get a story mode with them.
mundus Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 Othello is her hobby? Oh wow, I really cannot wait to see her joke ending. Also, I just realized........ Continuum Shift 2 is the arcade version of the DLC and balance patch, so what if that patch adds in arcade mode for the DLC characters? They will obviously have an arcade mode in the arcade version.... Maybe we will get lucky and get a story mode with them. All 3 DLC characters will probably have an arcade mode in the arcade version, which comes with a little story, will they patch that into the console version though? I don't think they will have a story mode until at least the next BB, whenever that comes.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 we didn't get arcade mode when makoto came out, so i can't see them giveing it to the other 2 dlc character either, and the big patch is supposed to just be for balanceing, but they could announced some arcade mode additions to the characters later I suppose, wouldn't be too interesting though if you ask me (see latest of blazen)
KeasbeyKnight Posted August 31, 2010 Posted August 31, 2010 we didn't get arcade mode when makoto came out, so i can't see them giveing it to the other 2 dlc character either, and the big patch is supposed to just be for balanceing, but they could announced some arcade mode additions to the characters later I suppose, wouldn't be too interesting though if you ask me (see latest of blazen) Actually that's what the latest of Blazen was talking about. The patch will also be in BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II for Arcades. Basically it's CS with the patch and supposedly Arcade modes for the DLC characters (cause, you know, if there's no one else there you can play Arcade Mode). SD was basically pointing out the stories probably wouldn't be much other than an excuse to give them an Arcade Mode.
KojinSagara Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Does anyone know if it may be possible for Noel to use her murakumo powers as mu-12 even though she isn't under terumi's influence anymore? i'd like to belive that the training with makoto and tager at the end of story mode will allow her to eventually better control both bolverk and her kusanagi form, switching to one or the other when needed. I also believer that Terumi still plans to mess with noel in once way or another, as i dont' think makoto or tager are good enough to protect her. since Terumi is using ragnas hatred of him to maintain existance in this world since his life link with mu is broken, i feel that either he will try to restore it, or increase his influence on ragnas emotions that way. I also read somewhere that Hakuman and Rachel are in danger of not being in existance due to losing her role as an observer. can someone explain?
Alpha to Omega Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Does anyone know if it may be possible for Noel to use her murakumo powers as mu-12 even though she isn't under terumi's influence anymore? i'd like to belive that the training with makoto and tager at the end of story mode will allow her to eventually better control both bolverk and her kusanagi form, switching to one or the other when needed. I also believer that Terumi still plans to mess with noel in once way or another, as i dont' think makoto or tager are good enough to protect her. since Terumi is using ragnas hatred of him to maintain existance in this world since his life link with mu is broken, i feel that either he will try to restore it, or increase his influence on ragnas emotions that way. Terumi isn't using Ragna's grudge to stay in existence, he was just doing that prior to using Noel as his Observer and after that's broken he's seemingly using Saya to observe him.
harmless kitten Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Does anyone know if it may be possible for Noel to use her murakumo powers as mu-12 even though she isn't under terumi's influence anymore? i'd like to belive that the training with makoto and tager at the end of story mode will allow her to eventually better control both bolverk and her kusanagi form, switching to one or the other when needed. I also read somewhere that Hakuman and Rachel are in danger of not being in existance due to losing her role as an observer. can someone explain? Ragna did reverse Noel's tempering using the Idea Engine, but who knows, maybe Kokonoe'll whip a pseudo-Mu armor and form for her like she did with Lambda. Dunno. It'd be one way to keep Mu "in-story" but she can always be a nonstory character anyway. I haven't heard anything about Rachel no longer being an observer, but she definitely still is one. She's observing Hakumen's existence so he can remain in the world. Of course, she also has her own observer, since she's an uncertain factor like him, but I don't think it's clarified who that is...
Alpha to Omega Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Ragna did reverse Noel's tempering using the Idea Engine, but who knows, maybe Kokonoe'll whip a pseudo-Mu armor and form for her like she did with Lambda. Dunno. It'd be one way to keep Mu "in-story" but she can always be a nonstory character anyway. I haven't heard anything about Rachel no longer being an observer, but she definitely still is one. She's observing Hakumen's existence so he can remain in the world. Of course, she also has her own observer, since she's an uncertain factor like him, but I don't think it's clarified who that is... Rachel's just no longer the Observer of the Boundary for Takemegahara. She quits during her talk with them.
harmless kitten Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Rachel's just no longer the Observer of the Boundary for Takemegahara. She quits during her talk with them. Damn, I forgot about that part. :/ Ah, well, she's still an observer, just no longer possesses the special Observer of the Boundary title...whatever that meant in the first place.
gamera Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Perhaps an observer is no longer necessary since Takemegahara is out of commission and the Master Unit has been destroyed.
Irikarul Posted September 5, 2010 Posted September 5, 2010 Just a thought: Could Trinity's (not Platinum, but the original Trinity) glasses be the same as Carl's? I'm not just saying this because they're both circular, but because machines such as Nirvana existed back then. It was said that Carl's glasses let him talk to machines, so would it be possible for Trinity to have used those same glasses to communicate with Nirvana, among other machines, during the Dark War?
X_Sword Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 I just want to realize the stuff Jubei was teaching Ragna in realtime; either in game or through animation
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