mAc Chaos Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Well, actually, I figure if Litchi succumbs she'd just end up identical to Arakune. So really we would still have Arakune in the game... just not Litchi. There is no escape from the blob.
JarPL Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 1.Susanooh:Jin/haku&Terumi Correct me if I'm wrong but according to what I know atm Terumi made the susanooh, the suit that made Jin Hakumen. He even wore it before he ripped free from it for some reason. So whats up with the very first time loop? Was there a black beast when terumi made the susanooh? Did he ever fight using it and if so was he just like Hakumen but a different personality? I think he made it and even used it for a while but probably broke free from it before the whole Black beast incident allowing Rachel to nab it and give it to Jin.Though I don't really have an explaination as to how Rachel got a hold of the Susanooh, it doesn't strike me as something Terumi would leave lying around.Then again Rags has an old version of the grimoire he made so maybe it was left unattended with intent?. I also think that by wearing the Susanooh one gives up their mortal body(I think so becasue when Haku gets shocked and you see an xray of him you see a mechanical construction. It doesn't seems like you could fit a human in there. Therefore Susanooh isn't an armor but a mecha. One can pilot and control this mecha by transferring their soul into it. This would obviously mean that one would have to give up their flesh bodies. My guess is that Terumi had preserved his old body and after freeing himself from the mecha he returned to his old body. Jin must have done the same but didn't preserve his old body so it probably decayed. As for fightingstyles I think the way Hazama fights was also the way Terumi fought when using the Susanooh and when he was in his old body. Imagne Haku with butterfly knives and an ouroboros chain LOL. Also I think If Haku removed his mask you would see something alike to the inside of a computer since there never was a body in it to begin with and therefore has no face. Actually I don't agree with part about haku being completely mecha. Why? Remember one of his endings where he finally kills ragna? He removes his mask and ragna easilly recognizes him as jin. Theory invalid unless one has to sever his head and put it in suit to make it work.
Tokkan Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Actually I don't agree with part about haku being completely mecha. Why? Remember one of his endings where he finally kills ragna? He removes his mask and ragna easilly recognizes him as jin. Theory invalid unless one has to sever his head and put it in suit to make it work. ... That wasn't even real, it was a hallucination while he was still in the boundary. Through the whole of Hakumen's CT story, the only people who weren't Haku's silly imaginings were Rachel, Jubei, Tager and Kokonoe.
Famhuss Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 ^ I remember it like that too. But maybe you should look at this :http://blazblue.wikia.com/index.php?title=Hakumenℑ=Ha082_00-png I doubt there is any room to stuff a body in there.
NumeroGaijin Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Plus he's been trapped in the boundary for 90 years so wouldn't his body be like decrepit by then. An old perv still getting after his brother....ewww.
mAc Chaos Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I thought it was more like Darth Vader. Some of his body remains but he's more man than machine now. He does mention Terumi's memories still being there so I figured that meant some part of Terumi was still there.
Famhuss Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Hmm that´s an interesting idea Chaos. It would be a real chore to open up and clean up the armor if you wanted a new user for it. And very much knowlegde of how to place someone in side of it without killing them. But I can imagne Rachel pulling it off. Also I didn´t know hakumen still had access to terumi´s old memories :O. I thought he even lost a large amount of his own due to drifting around in the boundary. Still leaves the question as to why Haku doesn't use the information he gets from Terumi's memories, maybe it's all irrelevant crap like his favorite flavour ice cream?
NumeroGaijin Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 That is unless Haku meant some memories...as in he remembers when Terumi once wore the suit before himself. But still there is a chance he might still have memories in their or their fragments for that matter. The unit itself a machine anyway.
Sludgeman Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Bang& his nox First of all I believe Bang isn't the comic relief character that he is made into. I acctually think that that has to be the drawback of his Nox. Also the Nox probably is the nail, the fact that bang can use fire through his gauntles doesn't mean they are the nox. Rather I believe he is able to use fire jutsu, I mean he can disappear can't he and besides don't ninjas you know use jutsus? That and he can use flaming kicks as well(his 6D if i'm not mistaken) so has to be a jutsu. He also was an elite ninja before Ikaruga was destroyed so either Ikaruga ninjas have low standards or he must have been quite skilled at that point in time or he became clumsy and laughable afterwards. If we take the latter to be true it means something must have changed him after the war. My guess would be the 55 inch nail on his back which he aquired after the passing of his master.So because he hasn't learned to use the nail yet he only is influenced by the drawbacks of his nox much like how Jin is influenced by Yuki when he carries it around. So I hope to see Bang getting much more powerful and cool in the next installment when Plat/Trinity teaches him how to use the thing. Altough I suspect they won't ever make Bang really cool, hell Arc is so keeping this guy comic relief. Sad really since Tao is so much more funny and enjoyable in this role. Correct me if im wrong(which i probably am) but isnt bangs Nox the one that is capable of canceling or destroying other nox's? in Teach me miss litchi when they were explaining each nox and some what they did when they got to bangs they talk about its ability to destroy or nullify right? its been awhile since i watched it and will probably go watch it again just to make sure but it seems like if that is true then bang is going to become more of a key character in the story of the game(maybe even shattering or stopping Yukianesa from controlling jin the way it does at some point) Im hoping that bang and his nox become more fleshed out because i really think bang saving the day(or at least jin from his crazyness) would be really exciting and epic.
NumeroGaijin Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 well as far as yukianesa goes Jin is now in control of it. He is commanding the sword and not it commanding him anymore. Yep thats true about Bang's Nox and that is something I thought about back in CT. None of the other Nox probably won't be able to affect him when he learns to use it.
Sludgeman Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Ok then good to know i wasnt mistaken about bang's Nox. When i first saw the stuff about the nox's i always thought they would use bang as the person to counter them all if they were to fall into "evil" hands(terumi for example) so maybe they will shift bang from more comical to more serious at least in his story mode in the next game and he will stop terumi and destroy or cancel out Oroburous(spelling?) and make terumi weaker or even just flat out defeat him.
p-kun Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 ^^ I don't want it to happen in the next game. Anti-NOL team is too over powered as it is right now. Assuming NOL team is not successful in evoking this "world of death" where immortals can die, the members have no means to kill the immortals in the Anti-NOL team. They can maim Ragna and Rachel all they want but they can't kill whose two. Add in other possible immortals like Noel, Valk, etc. (Phantom can seal someone, but just like Rachel in true end, it's not a permanent solution.) If Hazama loses his Ouroboros, how's he supposed to mind rape people to his side and even out the balance of power?
Famhuss Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I promise you COMPLETE BIAS ASIDE, I never saw that in his story mode. I saw the philosophical speech and I've seen him nice to her but I never saw or heard anything that was close to "You are the only thing I have". Other than that, you have some pretty interesting theories and the first one definitely seems plausible. I especially like the Terumi and the Church Children theory, I never thought about it like that. As for the age... I think someone tried to figure out their age before but couldn't be accurate though they said they may be like... in their late teens - early 20s. Hey i checked it out and you were right pktazn, so nvm the whole your the only thing i have thing xD Anyway what do you guys think about Tsubaki in the next game? Personally i'm confused about her and the Izayoi, it's drawback is that it steals the user's light right? As in it makes you blind, but Tsubaki joins the NOL next time and probably will fight. So this either means she uses something else as a weapon or she still can use Izayoi. Unless I'm mistaken she is already blind at the end of the game, so how can she still use it? Is there more light to steal than the light of sight? As in it will take away the light in her heart making her a new Hazama personality wise? Also after replaying Jin's story in CS I remember that Tsubaki can erect a field of darkness. It would be nice if they could work that into her gameplay
Famhuss Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I think P-kun means the Nu life link? I think Rachel can very much die but they chose not the kill her, this is Terumi we are talking about and he has yet to slip up once. There probably was a reason to why he sealed her instead of killing her. Also wasn't Takamagahara the thing that kept looping time? If so that means NOL team already has the power to retry if certain unwanted results occur, because Terumi hijacked it at the end of CS. Lol imagne him doing the same thing as prince Dastan in Prince of Persia when something he doesn't want to happen happens. I'd say this makes Terumi pretty much invincible even if he was a one man team... That and the NOL team seems to consist of much stronger individuals, It took the whole cast to even take down Terumi alone, now he is supported by Litchi,Relius,rebuilt Nu,Tsubaki,Phantom(nine) and maybe even Saya herself(if the rumors being true that she is the 'that man' of the BB universe it seems even more impossible). In light of this Rags,Bang,Rachel who cant interfere, Haku at 20% strenght and who cant interfere,Tao,Jubei,Jin,Noel,Makoto and aged Valk don't seems al that tough at all :P Hell even give them Tager for all I care and NOL team seems way more powerful, they have their own world controlling organisation at their disposal and therefore unlimited wealth,manpower and rescourses. I'm sorry if i seemed like a flaming fanboy but I was just trying to express my opinion:P
pktazn Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Anyway what do you guys think about Tsubaki in the next game? She's going to be bitch-slapped and be a more tragic character I can feel it ;____; IIRC Saya restored her eyesight (either she did it herself or Phantom did) so she can still see and the Izayoi takes light from everything including it's owner so it could just use other means to get power if they wanted to go that route. I think Phantom helped her make the field of darkness as in while she was the one who put it up, Phantom was the reason it went up in the first place. It's already shown in her bad end that if she uses the Izayoi too much she'll die anyway so I don't think she can have the light stolen from her heart and get a new personality...
NumeroGaijin Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Jubei's only weakness from my understand was Nine. Remember Juebi is still the strongest being in the known BB world. It doesn't mean he will always win though. Jin has gotten stronger but no match for other ppl. Tager is essentially very weak in the story. He loses to almost everybody. NOL team is stronger at this point I agree but only because of Saya, Relius, and Phantom. I will not include Terumi die to the fact that Hakumen can kill him even at 20% and Jubei can kill him as well as Rachel. Valk is just to old to hang with Terumi but he can beat Nu, Tsubaki, and Litchi.
Famhuss Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Jubei's only weakness from my understand was Nine. Remember Juebi is still the strongest being in the known BB world. It doesn't mean he will always win though. Jin has gotten stronger but no match for other ppl. Tager is essentially very weak in the story. He loses to almost everybody. NOL team is stronger at this point I agree but only because of Saya, Relius, and Phantom. I will not include Terumi die to the fact that Hakumen can kill him even at 20% and Jubei can kill him as well as Rachel. Valk is just to old to hang with Terumi but he can beat Nu, Tsubaki, and Litchi. Mmmm yeah that sounds about right. But you have to agree that controlling Takamagahara does give the NOL team a nice trump card.But I'm actually reluctant to count Haku,Rachel and Jubei as players for the good guys because they aren't allowed to interfere(Jubei might be allowed to I'm not sure). I think this was a decision made by takamagahara which now is in hands of Terumi so he might be able to flat out use the consequence Takamagahara used to force Rachel and co to stay on the sidelines. And even if Jubei is allowed to fight Phantom can just do what she did in CS, no biggie. And you are right about Haku, he is madly overpowered in story o.o. I mean it's like you said he can kill Terumi where as a the rest of the playable cast(not mentioning rachel) can't. Seriously someone should make a tierlist based on the story, Haku and rachel would be S tier at least lol. And I honestly don't know about Valk other than he is getting older and weaker. Seems to me that if NOL team takes the time to power up Tsubaki and Lichti they might pose a threat to him. That and a powered up Nu just makes me shit bricks lol she was portrayed as pretty strong in CT(no one ever beat her, tho Rachel and Haku could have.) If they say make her on the level Mu was in storyline she will still make life a bitch for the good guys. Lamb however never gave me the impression of being a powerful entity in CS. So basically, Haku and Rachel not being allowed to interfere + Takamgahara in hands of Terumi = Big advantage for NOL team.
mAc Chaos Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Hakumen seemed as powerful as Terumi to me. In the Arcade story Terumi notes Hakumen hasn't had a real fight in 90 years and in his story Hakumen ends up outmatched. Maybe if he was at 100% it would be a different story, but Terumi has the Azure Grimoire on top of his already ridiculous powers too.
p-kun Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Also wasn't Takamagahara the thing that kept looping time? That and the NOL team seems to consist of much stronger individuals Takamagahara has it's own mind. Even if Terumi re-activates it, doesn't mean that Takamagahara will listen to him. NOL team might have numbers and resources (I want to see more Duodecim heads actually, I hope there's at least one in the next game) but none of them can kill immortals anyway, so they are like dogs without teeth. Sure they can bite, but they cannot kill. Non-threatening if you are immortals. Even assuming Saya is a reality warper like Noel, that's only one person compared to what Anti-NOL team has. If NOL team loses Terumi, what threat does it pose? Anti-NOL team on the other hand has 1 person confirmed to be capable of killing immortals (Haku, who may be immortal as well), 1 person learning to do so (Jin), 1 reality warper if only she learns to control her power (Noel), 1 person who can turn dying man into a living vampire (aka. guaranteed healing machine) not to mention sorcery (Rachel), and not to mention Jubei, etc. Not to mention, this side has most of the Noxes (Jubei and Bang's Noxes sound powerful). Even if they are out numbered, they are like rabies dogs. They may struggle to bite you, but once they do, you're screwed. As it stands now, all the Anti-NoL team needs to do is to make sure Haku/Jin land the killing blow to the Terumi and Relius (plus maybe Saya, if she's not brainwashed), and team NOL will back down once their leaders are gone because I think the rest don't have motives to continue. Very managable. They can just use Ragna as meat shield to do so, or even use the more disposable members of the Anti-NOL team.
pktazn Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Hmmm don't forget the NOL team has Phantom though who seems pretty powerful, and if it's Nine... well...
Halcyone3 Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Ragna can't die? I thought he could. he has that link thingie with nu, as long as one lives the other can't die... or something along those lines anywho
Famhuss Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Hmm both sides of the story seem very plausible, I think we just have to wait and find out eh? Don't really feel like this thread getting locked becuase things got out of hand... You seem pretty pesimistic about Tsubaki Pktazn :P I'm sure it will work out, the ability to steal light from everything seems very useful. Maybe she could make others blind and get her eyesight restored infinitly? That would seriously bump up her threat level imo. Also if she is paired with Nine they could pack a very powerful punch. Anyway does anybody know what will happen to Rags in the next game? For some reason I can't seem to think of anything except him losing yet another limb and shouting the names of his attacks :P Is it just me or is he one of the characters who didn't show any real development? He seems to be exactly the same guy he was at the start of CT. Btw do you think his new arm made out the regeneration tank of Lambda will make any difference to his gameplay or powers? I think it will be just a regular arm prothese with just a remarkable origin.
pktazn Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Don't really feel like this thread getting locked becuase things got out of hand... You seem pretty pesimistic about Tsubaki Pktazn :P Pfffft... this thread is tame compared to the other speculation theory threads that were in BBG before this one. And I'm pessimistic because out of all the characters in BB, Tsubaki (and Litchi) have the most set up for them to be tragic characters. It also doesn't help that I very honestly, have an unintentional tendency of liking characters that have something terrible happen to them :<
Hellknight10 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted on the OST Discussion thread Apologies if this was posted previously but has anyone with the Song Accord 2 album posted or mentioned this crest that is supposedly on the back? Taken from aksys forums http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm236/jt4mtb/Games-related/IMG_0968.jpg that emblem, who does it belong to? people were discussing it there but I decided to move the question here since this is the speculation thread Me and WoZ (Urichinan) found some similarities with Carl's emblem but since then i decided to outline a few similarities to other emblems http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2879/speculations.jpg http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2482/speculationsemblems.jpg 1. the symbol can be seen in Hakumen's, Tsubaki's and the Tsukuyomi Unit's emblem. Only in Hakumen's though the symbol is inside a sphere AND two handles coming out of it, but the overall inclusion of the symbol could be just filler. 2. Hakumen's resembles the outer section of the sphere the most, but the positioning of Carl's is most accurate to the new emblem. 3 and 4. like 2. the positioning and appearance helps us believe that it is related to Carl/Nirvana the most. 5, 6 and 7. can be seen in Ragna's emblem and the BlazBlue emblem. These are the most obvious ones to spot but worth noting since having parts that may belong to the Black Beast could mean something. I'm guessing this is the emblem for Relius/Ignis, figures 2, 3 and 4 support this but figures 5, 6 and 7 appear to come from Ragna which could be speculated that Relius infused Ignis with parts of the Black Beast but that's just what i think. we can't say it was infused with the BlazBlue since no parts of the BlazBlue emblem can't be seen other than the Ragna parts (not Nu's). Most emblems whose characters are infused with the Azure/BlazBlue have a weird spherical shape somewhere (Ragna's can be see between figures 6) Noel, Mu and Nu have something similar as well (Lambda does not since her Azure is gone) it's worth nothing though that Mu does not have a big sphere like the others but multiple tiny ones (steiners I suppose) but in the end this emblem could just be a promotional thing for the Song Accord 2 album and no relevance to the game whatsover.
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