cookiehours Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Some people (or thing...) are just insane. There's no method to their madness.
Star-Demon Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 I think when you consider the memories he gives to noel shortly before she BSODs, then put the pieces together from his narrative to noel about the azure - I'm going to go ahead and say Terumi is one of the original prime field devices or he is a being from inside the boundary or the azure. Terumi hates the universe he's in repeating itself (The world is full of lies!) Which explains his involvement with the imperator, and hates the humans that dared to venture into the boundary. I think there's a lot to his character that justifies his behavior, including his joker-like behavior. Also - Groundhog's day. He's been waiting a LONG time for this. Also also - His character has been flandersized for a while. I hope it goes no further.
Circuitous Posted May 22, 2012 Author Posted May 22, 2012 Oh hi I merged your thread to a relevant thread.
redsilversnake Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Does anyone know why Terumi is/was such a fucking asshole? Because he is. No, really, IIRC, the creator himself said that he's supposed to be a pure evil villain with no redeeming qualities.
Vulcan422 Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 I'm sure it will eventually be revealed that he's something akin to a wraith (ghost made of pure malevolence).
AeternumSomnium Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Because he is. No, really, IIRC, the creator himself said that he's supposed to be a pure evil villain with no redeeming qualities. That saddens me. You'd hope it'd be something a bit more--eloquent then that but. . .I guess not. For the most part, it seems that he's either just nuts from the beginning or he is just a complete manifestation of dissent. I would be happy with even the latter but. . .I'm assuming that's to easy, and considering the God awful mess the plot is, it's probably going to be (if revealed) more warped then I ever would have guessed.
mAc Chaos Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Well, in a way, being in a time loop can desensitize you to other people after a while. I mean, no matter what you do to them, everything will reset. It would be like playing a video game. None of it matters, and you're the only one who actually remembers anything. That is, if he's immune to it, and he does seem to be aware of it.
AeternumSomnium Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) When you're trapped in an life-sized action figure for several hundred if not thousand years sitting and doing nothing...you'd probably start to lose it too. Keep in mind I'm referring to the OG Terumi, the man in the six heroes. (Pre fusion) Not Kazuma or Hazama. The original one just kind of- -snapped and went mad. There's some hints that it was after a mistake involving the black beast (and perhaps out of some twisted mental breakdown) he went crazy. But it doesn't really explain why he truly is just a bad guy (and kills Nine). He just kind of was normal, went nuts, killed a bitch, and from that point on (and the Kazuma fusion) just lost it. While some don't have method to madness, I would kill for at least a generic--tragic backstory for him to have, so at least I can be like, "Alright fair enough you crazy nigga" Because he is. No, really, IIRC, the creator himself said that he's supposed to be a pure evil villain with no redeeming qualities. I have to go back to this again, if this is the case then I suppose we will never know the crossed wiring that led to Terumi betraying the heroes. The astral form is at least kind of explained--him driving himself out of the Susanoo unit, even the possibility of there being a doppleganger Relius made for him to leap around too towards the true end. (Perhaps explaining why in the alternate ending of someone's story he nonchalantly throws himself into the cauldron.) Sorry to get back into this again, it's just kind of bugging me. Again I suppose, we can blame the warped plot structure. Edited May 23, 2012 by AeternumSomnium
Takoto Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 Keep in mind I'm referring to the OG Terumi, the man in the six heroes. (Pre fusion) Not Kazuma or Hazama. The original one just kind of- -snapped and went mad. There's some hints that it was after a mistake involving the black beast (and perhaps out of some twisted mental breakdown) he went crazy. But it doesn't really explain why he truly is just a bad guy (and kills Nine). He just kind of was normal, went nuts, killed a bitch, and from that point on (and the Kazuma fusion) just lost it. While some don't have method to madness, I would kill for at least a generic--tragic backstory for him to have, so at least I can be like, "Alright fair enough you crazy nigga" To be fair, iirc, nothings been confirmed about original-Terumi, he might have been insane or unstable from the get-go. I mean, he created the Black Beast/Cauldrons/wanted to kill gods, he probably wasn't "right in the head" to begin with, but the Black Beast event broke the last things holding him to sanity. It's said above, he's not meant to be redeemable, so it can be assumed even before the Black Beast he probably killed people or had a strong disregard for human life. Also, someone above mentioned it but there's that part of his past he showed Noel which freaked her out beyond what she's seen before. She was in the tail end of the Ikaruga War, I think, so she's probably seen her fair share of death and violation of human rights, buuuut whatever Terumi showed her freaked her out. I remember after CS came out, everyone assumed it was Terumi beating up something... but I think it's more likely it's young-Terumi getting tortured for some reason. If it's the case then I'm gonna say Terumi was never right in the head from the start, never had a regard for human life (maybe even not his own), possibly was never human to begin with (he IS a ghost now, we've seen no other "human" character be able to do that). There are so many theories I've heard on this because there's only one or two details, and pretty much nothing is known about Terumi before Phase Shift 1's events. :U
AeternumSomnium Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 Also, someone above mentioned it but there's that part of his past he showed Noel which freaked her out beyond what she's seen before. She was in the tail end of the Ikaruga War, I think, so she's probably seen her fair share of death and violation of human rights, buuuut whatever Terumi showed her freaked her out. I remember after CS came out, everyone assumed it was Terumi beating up something... but I think it's more likely it's young-Terumi getting tortured for some reason. If it's the case then I'm gonna say Terumi was never right in the head from the start, never had a regard for human life (maybe even not his own), possibly was never human to begin with (he IS a ghost now, we've seen no other "human" character be able to do that). There are so many theories I've heard on this because there's only one or two details, and pretty much nothing is known about Terumi before Phase Shift 1's events. :U Shit I forgot all about that, that gives me a little bit of hope there's SOME substance to his character beyond just being evil for shits and giggles. It's almost like they're trying to be obscure and difficult. On that note now I'm really bloody curious about the guy's past. I guess The most we can really do is hope that he gets more background info (And everyone else for that matter--moar Valkenhayn please) in the next installment in the series. (They better fucking end it this third one--at least this story)
mAc Chaos Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 Having no redeeming qualities doesn't mean he can't have a tragic past or anything. It could have just changed him into the pure evil character he is now. I remember he showed Noel a glimpse of the "real" world or something, a world of corpses. I felt like it was the time loop itself or something that drove him nuts since he apparently could see the difference between the true reality of how the world is supposed to be and the false one that was created by all the time shenanigans. Does the stuff with Kazuma happen pre-loop or post-loop?
redsilversnake Posted May 29, 2012 Posted May 29, 2012 Also, someone above mentioned it but there's that part of his past he showed Noel which freaked her out beyond what she's seen before. She was in the tail end of the Ikaruga War, I think, so she's probably seen her fair share of death and violation of human rights, buuuut whatever Terumi showed her freaked her out. I remember after CS came out, everyone assumed it was Terumi beating up something... but I think it's more likely it's young-Terumi getting tortured for some reason. I really doubt it. It seemed more like he was just showing her a montage of people suffering. (They better fucking end it this third one--at least this story) There's a link in the FAQ thread where Mori says the story's half done and they might do two more games instead of just one. Does the stuff with Kazuma happen pre-loop or post-loop? During, I think.
Alpha to Omega Posted May 31, 2012 Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) Also, someone above mentioned it but there's that part of his past he showed Noel which freaked her out beyond what she's seen before. She was in the tail end of the Ikaruga War, I think, so she's probably seen her fair share of death and violation of human rights, buuuut whatever Terumi showed her freaked her out. I remember after CS came out, everyone assumed it was Terumi beating up something... but I think it's more likely it's young-Terumi getting tortured for some reason. If it's the case then I'm gonna say Terumi was never right in the head from the start, never had a regard for human life (maybe even not his own), possibly was never human to begin with (he IS a ghost now, we've seen no other "human" character be able to do that). There are so many theories I've heard on this because there's only one or two details, and pretty much nothing is known about Terumi before Phase Shift 1's events. :U Noel didn't participate in the Ikaruga Civil War, it ended six months before she graduated. And like redsilversnake I doubt that was Terumi getting tortured, it just seemed to be people suffering. Edited May 31, 2012 by Alpha to Omega
Tong Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Been out of the loop for some time (didn't even know about Phase Shift 3). Dex uploaded these Phase Shift 3 pics: http://www.mediafire.com/?83233zj28qbtlqa And, who's the badass "Tao"? One of the first clones? What is PS3 about anyway?
Vulcan422 Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 PS3 reportedly continues from where PS2 left off. And since Nine is prominently featured on the cover, it may be the book that describes her death at the hands of Terumi.
Tokkan Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) And since Nine is prominently featured on the cover, it may be the book that describes her death at the hands of Terumi. It's not. Also, I thought it's been established that Jubei and Nine got married after the Dark War, PS3 still takes place during the war. She can't die before getting married and giving birth. Celica is an antibody, like Jin/Hakumen. Her antibody power is the ability to control seithr. This is presumably the reason Terumi killed her in the raid to steal away Jin and Saya, because that power is too dangerous, she could effectively make ars magus useless. The kakas are Suzukaka and Totokaka. Edited June 3, 2012 by Tokkan
lasting Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 It's not. Also, I thought it's been established that Jubei and Nine got married after the Dark War, PS3 still takes place during the war. She can't die before getting married and giving birth. Celica is an antibody, like Jin/Hakumen. Her antibody power is the ability to control seithr. This is presumably the reason Terumi killed her in the raid to steal away Jin and Saya, because that power is too dangerous, she could effectively make ars magus useless. The kakas are Suzukaka and Totokaka. What was going on with the picture of Celica with the mirror. It reminds me of the the mirror cutscene of noel and nu in calamity trigger. Also how did bloodedge return if he was to supposely had died in the black beast?
KiraX Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Another thing, SUSANO'O unit is the armor he made to wield KUSANAGI weapon. The creation of Kusanagi failed so, he gave Susano'o to Jin. Hakumen is the one to be wield Kusanagi. Actually, Terumi made Susano'o for his possession. I don't know the reason why he didn't use that Susano'o for himself and why he used Saya for that project. Nox Nyctores that has power of Azure can also be use to KUSANAGI such as LAMBDA and NU. They were called MURAKUMO Units. MU-12 or MURAKUMO UNIT 12 is a major unit of murakumos that appear to be a KUSANAGI itself. Ragna's hand are similar to it, though it has a power of Azure. Lambda is his back-up plan if Nu-13 destroyed. Ragna became Terumi's counter plan for all Murakumo units that was destroyed. Edited September 8, 2013 by KiraX
Master Of Chaos Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 ...I'm sorry, but this is so blatantly wrong I'm not sure how to respond. Where are you getting this information from?
KiraX Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) That's just speculation upon reading Light Novel of Blazblue Chimelical Complex and Blazblue Phase 0. I just thought maybe the story goes, as Sankishin Unit and Kusanagi has the same source. Actually, I am not really sure unto it, but I see the story goes just like this. Since, Takamagahara are the ones that uses Time Shifting Spell. Could you tell me how you speculate on it? No Offense, it is just my speculation. AMATERASU, SUSANO'O, and KUSANAGI are belong to UCHIHA. I wonder if there were called TSUKOYUMI. Tsk... Edited September 8, 2013 by KiraX
Chaoschao222 Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 ...I'm sorry, but this is so blatantly wrong I'm not sure how to respond. Where are you getting this information from? and Not to mention the blatant necroposting... Unfortunately, I can't say this anyway but bluntly, but your post made me think it was just a spambot using BB lingo. It honestly seems like random guessing rather than founded speculation.
KiraX Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) "Ragna didn't die. He just merged into Black Beast absorbing the power of Azure Grimoire. How can you tell that RAGNA is the Black Beast, though, the Azure he has was just a Fragment? Could he transform into Black Beast with the imitation of Azure he has? Does it need a high power to turn him into black beast? It is already told that KUSANAGI is the one became Black Beast. How can you define a KUSANAGI? What kind of weapon is it? A weapon of Destruction? Maybe it is just a random guessing. But all I guess is the Blazblue. And i am not putting any lingoes from other anime in it. My point, is just my theory. And I based my theory from Chimelical Complex Manga and Phase 0 novel, and all i told was not a bias. And calling that i am just spamming, hurts my feeling." Not to mention, it is but my speculation. I am sorry, but I am offended. Edited September 8, 2013 by KiraX
SoWL Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 AMATERASU, SUSANO'O, and KUSANAGI are belong to UCHIHA. I wonder if there were called TSUKOYUMI. Tsk... News flash: Naruto didn't invent Japanese mythology.
ReRe01 Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 And just because BB has the same thing in it that has in Naruto they are not connect to each other, artist tend to used the same ideals for their story don't mean they are related to each other at all so I don't see why you think Naruto has to do with this at all ,when they are in two different universe and way different plots and story's,you need to learn that just because they are using the same Japanese mythology BB nor Naruto didn't invent it they are just using it in their story's.
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