The [Newer!!!] NorCal Thread! - BB, GGAC, HnK, FUC, Touhou, and Other Sad Life Games!

[buzzsaw]

Or maybe I'm full of shit.

I like this part the most

[Whiteboywilly]

Man shit got real.

[Dacidbro]

The way you present yourself at NCI really does not leave a good impression with the GG/MB crew. I don't care if you beg to differ, but I'll be blatant and will only tell the stark truth. I've been at every NCI ranbat and organized it every month since November 2009. This is my impression of the BB community joining the NCI community.

Have you ever tried to build a community from its' death bed and watch the scene revive...only to get beaten down and set aside like a ragdoll? That's what happened when BB came into the scheme of things. We expected it to become a main event and drown out all the other games. What we did not expect is the scene to exploit everything that NCI stood for while people decided to shat on everything in the name of, 'hype.' This includes, but not limited to: (1) Making personal egos like it's life and death and (2) exploiting other people's good wills for your benefit. When you see people make offers to help stream; when you see people trying to assist you with equipment setups, but waiting to play a game that they didn't sign up for; then you've lost sight of what NCI is really about - a community effort.

The BB community has only contributed a take-n-take relationship with the MB/GG community. I have never seen anyone take the initiative to actually help the GG/MB community. And even if they did, then it hasn't been noticed by us. If you beg to differ, then prove me wrong. Have any of you cared to post on Meltybread to ask the community if they need anything...even to troll?

So why do you see people hating on you, Dacid, and the BB community - it's cause you complain about the one fault we're, supposedly, notorious for and blow it out of proportion. When you do that, you're saying that NCI is no longer suitable for everyone, but only those that agree with you. Scott is right in saying that GG is no longer the mainstream game. But as long as you're in NCI, then you better show some fucking respect to the people who got this shit off it's feet.

Real talk.

Edit: Yes I am trying to make people mad.

Edit2: You didn't call Buzzsaw out, but you called me out.

I'm sorry, what?

This doesn't even make sense to me. I literally don't even understand how to respond. The only thing I asked for is basic, common respect. I thanked those helping us with the stream whole-heartedly, and made damn sure they knew I was grateful. When have I ever been the demon you're making me out to be, John?

And just for the record, I've donated to the GG pot every time it's been there and have been learning this dead game simply because I wanted to support it.

Also, your comment about egos; you don't really think I take myself that seriously, do you? I really hope you don't.

Also also, why doesn't anyone say anything? If we've really been stepping on people's toes that much, and every single one of you stays deathly quiet about it, you're just as much at fault. I am incapable of fixing anything that I don't know is wrong, that's just obvious. The same for everyone else. All that you would have to do to explain that we are the problem is say absolutely anything about it. I know I sure as hell haven't heard anything til now.

If you know me as a person, which I thought you did, you would know I have every desire to be useful, helpful, and definitely not be a problem. I called out several people in the GG scene because they were TRULY obnoxious, without presenting a reason for it. If this was the underlying reasoning, OBVIOUSLY there needs to be a different approach to it than the one I suggested. Where I thought GG players were being dicks because they didn't like Blazblue, it's actually GG players feel oppressed by the BB scene, and now everything takes a completely different standpoint in my mind. Now I can actually work towards helping solve this, instead of just not knowing what the hell is going on.

Regardless, thank you for saying anything at all.

[Arvoyea]

Well, crap. seeing as I haven't able to get to ANY gathering, I didn't know about this. I'm just tired of people saying that GG is dead only because no one tries to play it anymore. I'm just tired of SF4/SSF4, and many other things of the similar sort. GG is one of the games I know that is still legit.

[buzzsaw]

Last time I checked bitching and moaning about people talking shit about you wasn't calling them out, it was bitching and moaning.

[Honnou]

I thought GG players were being dicks because they didn't like Blazblue, it's actually GG players feel oppressed by the BB scene, and now everything takes a completely different standpoint in my mind

I thought this was the case from the moment Blazblue came out...

[TaoFTW]

This doesn't even make sense to me. I literally don't even understand how to respond. The only thing I asked for is basic, common respect. I thanked those helping us with the stream whole-heartedly, and made damn sure they knew I was grateful. When have I ever been the demon you're making me out to be, John?

You're not aware of the problem, but neither does the community. You guys were welcomed to our community with a -GRAND- reception, but now it's time that you face the fact - this is a community effort and not 'shatting-over-others-to-make-your-game-look-good' effort.

And just for the record, I've donated to the GG pot every time it's been there and have been learning this dead game simply because I wanted to support it.

Giving free money is the same as Blanka707 MAKING IT RAIN on the GG crew. The only difference is that it's raining on top 3.

Also, your comment about egos; you don't really think I take myself that seriously, do you? I really hope you don't.

No, but you're dividing the community with your posts. You say: "(1) everyone stop talking loud and obnoxious or (2) [not come and stay at home]." That is counter-productive for a community effort tournament.

Your ego is not referring to your forum posts. Read below.

Also also, why doesn't anyone say anything? If we've really been stepping on people's toes that much, and every single one of you stays deathly quiet about it, you're just as much at fault. I am incapable of fixing anything that I don't know is wrong, that's just obvious. The same for everyone else. All that you would have to do to explain that we are the problem is say absolutely anything about it. I know I sure as hell haven't heard anything til now.

And that's why I'm here. If Buzzsaw couldn't get it to you, then I'll get it to you. You took all his destructive criticism and threw it out the window.

BB community is the problem. We invited you all to come to the GG/MB community and you guys accepted wholeheartedly. That's fine, but this is why we're in this predicament:

- We let you use GG/MB stream/equipment, but nobody offered anything to help us.

- Streaming was 99% BB with 5 casual setups. GG/MB only had an hour of stream time with less than 3 casual stations put together.

- Anytime people openly shttalked, people criticize them behind closed doors.

You know what that tells me - NCI shouldn't be NorCalINSTALL!, but BlazCalINSTALL! You took everything for what we're worth and used it to promote yourselves. Whenever we gave destructive/constructive criticism, you guys dismissed it cause it was 'HARSH TALK.' But whenever someone has a problem with a loud obnoxious guy, then you all tell me to tell them to shut up.

If you have a problem with someone, keep the matters to YOURSELVES and don't bring it to us. It's not our problem to handle YOUR preferences in people. Don't expect people to change for you, but don't bring it to the community.

If you know me as a person, which I thought you did, you would know I have every desire to be useful, helpful, and definitely not be a problem. I called out several people in the GG scene because they were TRULY obnoxious, without presenting a reason for it. If this was the underlying reasoning, OBVIOUSLY there needs to be a different approach to it than the one I suggested. Where I thought GG players were being dicks because they didn't like Blazblue, it's actually GG players feel oppressed by the BB scene, and now everything takes a completely different standpoint in my mind. Now I can actually work towards helping solve this, instead of just not knowing what the hell is going on.

I hate Blazblue, but do I have to be a dick about it? You're asking for people to compromise themselves into your perfect world. So it's like asking someone to be Jesus and bite the bullet.

We're human, deal with it.

Regardless, thank you for saying anything at all.

Your welcome.

Where I thought GG players were being dicks because they didn't like Blazblue, it's actually GG/MB players feel oppressed by the BB scene, and now everything takes a completely different standpoint in my mind.

That's one of the many problems, but the most important one.

I thought this was the case from the moment Blazblue came out...

HEY, YOU GET FREE MONEY! STOP COMPLAINING!

[Chun]

- We let you use GG/MB stream/equipment, but nobody offered anything to help us.

- Streaming was 99% BB with 5 casual setups. GG/MB only had an hour of stream time with less than 3 casual stations put together.

- Anytime people openly shttalked, people criticize them behind closed doors.

If I can be frank...

Shut the fuck up.

Things went smoothly and, as I heard from people, were very enjoyable at the last ranbat, and I'm very happy to have been of service.

However, what I don't want is to hear any bullshit from you about how nobody did this, or nobody did that at the last NCI that I organized, because that's pretty much the implication you've had for the past few days. I don't want to hear some dumbass armchair argument about how BlazBlue didn't do a single thing to help MB or GG get off the floor or run successfully at the last meet when all you did was provide no information, update the info for my venue late as all hell with inaccurate times, and say you weren't coming then end up coming. "Oh, I'm taking a break, I'm leaving, etc etc." Man, MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMN MIND ALREADY.

I consulted with AJ and the rest of the crew on their setups on site and made sure everything was quite comfortable for both scenes, and that everything would run up on time. I even had 4 CRTS ON BACKUP with my own PS2 ready in case there was a need for more. I didn't undermine a single thing about the GG crew (IN fact, I was very happy to meet all of them again and glad to know everything was comfortable), and the MB Crew was equally satisfied with the efforts. I didn't deny a single thing about streams; if GG or MB wanted some usual airtime, I would have made the arrangements because I was on the assumption of the current layout being alright given the previous NCI.

It's true that BlazBlue had most of the stream time, and that's quite true since it is the hot topic, and it is the publicity behind it. However, this isn't mutually exclusive; there is planning for next month to increase the exposure of the MB and GG game to the world as things were before. If the GG or MB scenes desire it, I'll make it happen, it's what I do.

SO BEFORE YOU MAKE ALL THESE ARMCHAIR ASSUMPTIONS, REALIZE THIS. If you have the fucking audacity to call out the scene on the instance of the previous ranbat and how it was run, do us all a goddamn favor and either actually give a shit about how it happened before it happened, and not bitch about how some horrible plague one game has done to your original NCI layout when you're not even fucking there anymore and don't advocate going.

Hell, I didn't hear a single objection when you integrated it in your NCI tournament organization, seems pretty fucking hypocritical to call it out after the integration started with you then blame the rest after your "leave", Mr. TaoFTW.

I'm no god. Only with the help of every scene organizer, this shit is under my belt, and I'll be running with all communities to make it all a success, heaven or hell, because I actually care to continue working with it, not just sit back and collect money. Their happiness and ability to relax and have fun on site is my happiness.

REAL TALK.

~Chun

[buzzsaw]

wall of text battle

[Arvoyea]

I feel bad, seeing as I was only suggesting on how to make GG more full of hype. At least we're talking about it now in the open. And consistently losing means we're consistently learning also.

I'm no god. Only with the help of every scene organizer, this shit is under my belt, and I'll be running with all communities to make it all a success, heaven or hell, because I actually care to continue working with it, not just sit back and collect money. Their happiness and ability to relax and have fun on site is my happiness.

REAL TALK.

~Chun

This is how we should always roll. Equal respect for all communities and just having fun playing fighting games.

[Tone]

i just want to play video games

[Honnou]

Complaints and feelings aside, this is what I'd like to see for NCI:

1) More even distribution of stream time between games. I understand Blazblue is what is drawing viewers and have no intention of taking that away, but it really stinks when we have some great matches that don't get streamed. Of course, for this, we NEED more people for GG and MB as well, and possibly more streaming eq. Please, if you love the game, or have just been watching up til now, please try entering if for nothing more than to support our community. Props to Tone, Yuji, Dacid and others who tried their hand at GG at the past NCI.

Ideally, I'd like to see something like:

40% blazblue stream

30% GG

30% MB (needs more than 7 entrants though, hahahaha)

I understand # of entrants will vary month to month, but it shouldn't be hard to calculate how long each tourney should take now that we've been doing this for so long.

For small tournaments (small # of entrants), why not just stream the whole/half of the entire thing? We could knock these tournaments off our list fast, and just focus on BB afterwards so there would be no complaints about stream time being misused. I'm all for other game casuals being streamed as well.

(And if I was in charge...

30% GG

20% BB

20% MB

10% HNK

10% Zone of the enders 2: vs mode special edition

10% Chaos Breaker?)

2) People openly shit-talking, expressing opinions, etc. MORE YIPES, LESS GRIPES. This is America, let's live up to Japan's stereotype of us and NOT BE passive-aggressive.

3) Blazblue people, almost NONE of you have been to a NCI before the inclusion of your game. Perfectly understandable, why would you go? But now that you're here, definitely try to branch out and play these other games too. They will NOT make you worse at your own game (though switching games constantly takes time and a certain mental state to get used to). You don't have much to lose, other than $3 to me. :3

In other news...cross post!

Going to watch Red-line's final show at NEW PEOPLE (San Francisco) on Thursday (Today) with Tenkai (TastyLumpia, Iksue+Girl coming too it seems) before coming back home for games around 9:30-10:00pm

Feel free to join!

http://www.newpeopleworld.com/films/films-10-2010/

[Chun]

1) More even distribution of stream time between games. I understand Blazblue is what is drawing viewers and have no intention of taking that away, but it really stinks when we have some great matches that don't get streamed. Of course, for this, we NEED more people for GG and MB as well, and possibly more streaming eq. Please, if you love the game, or have just been watching up til now, please try entering if for nothing more than to support our community. Props to Tone, Yuji, Dacid and others who tried their hand at GG at the past NCI.

Definitely, I agree with this point. BlazBlue had a lot of intermediate matches streamed on the channel during the time which Guilty Gear was in top 8 or MB was top 8. Thanks to the alternate ease of setup we have, we can interchange between the streams quite easily by login, so I'll make it a reality somehow!

Ideally, I'd like to see something like:

40% blazblue stream

30% GG

30% MB (needs more than 7 entrants though, hahahaha)

I understand # of entrants will vary month to month, but it shouldn't be hard to calculate how long each tourney should take now that we've been doing this for so long.

For small tournaments (small # of entrants), why not just stream the whole/half of the entire thing? We could knock these tournaments off our list fast, and just focus on BB afterwards so there would be no complaints about stream time being misused. I'm all for other game casuals being streamed as well.

(And if I was in charge...

30% GG

20% BB

20% MB

10% HNK

10% Zone of the enders 2: vs mode special edition

10% Chaos Breaker?)

The major problem with the streaming schedule is how late the tournaments start; I like to give leeway for people to warm up on arrival, but when we start up and sign in at 3:00PM it's a little harder to manage. However, if there's no way to get earlier, then I'll try to integrate as much of each scene as possible without being too jumpy.

Blazblue people, almost NONE of you have been to a NCI before the inclusion of your game. Perfectly understandable, why would you go? But now that you're here, definitely try to branch out and play these other games too. They will NOT make you worse at your own game (though switching games constantly takes time and a certain mental state to get used to). You don't have much to lose, other than $3 to me. :3

I had a few BB people over and we re-discovered how fun GG was. Look forward to a few more entrants in the next month! I think we could use an introduction to Guilty system somewhere before the tournaments and that would increase the flow of attendance and learning. However, I'd need volunteers for it, and this might not happen next month, but the one after.

Seriously, thanks for your feedback Rod, I've been waiting for some ideas.

~Chun

[qwerty]

i just want to play video games

and i just want kof at nci.

what game do you all play the most in 707? even if it's donjon kof, at least it's something.

[ZONG_one]

Yo dayummmnnnnn.

+457 respect, John.

Chun is gay.

Dacidbro is gay.

Rod is totally awesome.

[Whiteboywilly]

and i just want kof at nci.

KofXi or 98 um would be cool.

[qwerty]

yeah, xi is donjon kof.

98um would be my choice for a "real" kof.

[Whiteboywilly]

Yea I'd totally go with 98 um.

[Dacidbro]

You're not aware of the problem, but neither does the community. You guys were welcomed to our community with a -GRAND- reception, but now it's time that you face the fact - this is a community effort and not 'shatting-over-others-to-make-your-game-look-good' effort.

Giving free money is the same as Blanka707 MAKING IT RAIN on the GG crew. The only difference is that it's raining on top 3.

No, but you're dividing the community with your posts. You say: "(1) everyone stop talking loud and obnoxious or (2) [not come and stay at home]." That is counter-productive for a community effort tournament.

Your ego is not referring to your forum posts. Read below.

And that's why I'm here. If Buzzsaw couldn't get it to you, then I'll get it to you. You took all his destructive criticism and threw it out the window.

BB community is the problem. We invited you all to come to the GG/MB community and you guys accepted wholeheartedly. That's fine, but this is why we're in this predicament:

- We let you use GG/MB stream/equipment, but nobody offered anything to help us.

- Streaming was 99% BB with 5 casual setups. GG/MB only had an hour of stream time with less than 3 casual stations put together.

- Anytime people openly shttalked, people criticize them behind closed doors.

You know what that tells me - NCI shouldn't be NorCalINSTALL!, but BlazCalINSTALL! You took everything for what we're worth and used it to promote yourselves. Whenever we gave destructive/constructive criticism, you guys dismissed it cause it was 'HARSH TALK.' But whenever someone has a problem with a loud obnoxious guy, then you all tell me to tell them to shut up.

If you have a problem with someone, keep the matters to YOURSELVES and don't bring it to us. It's not our problem to handle YOUR preferences in people. Don't expect people to change for you, but don't bring it to the community.

I hate Blazblue, but do I have to be a dick about it? You're asking for people to compromise themselves into your perfect world. So it's like asking someone to be Jesus and bite the bullet.

We're human, deal with it.

Your welcome.

That's one of the many problems, but the most important one.

HEY, YOU GET FREE MONEY! STOP COMPLAINING!

Okay first, I never got any "constructive or destructive criticism". I got people yelling all night about how shitty Blazblue was, nothing else. Obviously that wasn't the real problem, and next time it would be better for everyone if it was treated as not the problem from the get go.

Second, if you think it's great for people in the community to openly talk shit about other communities, obviously BB at NCI was a terrible idea to begin with. The environment at NCI was overall great, with extreme hostility from several people. Me, apparently out of my mind, thought that random hostility was a bad thing, so I checked up on it. Once again you insult my intelligence and make me out to be an idiot, though, saying I had no reason to and that I was out of my place.

I'm pretty sure people from the Blazblue community had the best intentions for GG. Like Chun said, he had multiple TVs available, I asked several times over the course of the night if there was anything I could do with Katana, and just universally there was no bad blood at all in the BB community. I don't know how you can say we did so much wrong.

When I have a problem with someone keep it to myself? That's what got us here in the first place, several people were being loud, obnoxious problems that weren't keeping their preference in people/games to themselves. Don't be a hypocrite. But simultaneously, how can you support that? You're saying it's a good thing if the scenes just completely divided. That's terrible.

I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. I asked for people not to be huge assholes. If that's really un-askable, something is wrong.

I don't entirely understand this, John. I really don't. I think of all people to call out, calling me out is the most confusing.

[qwerty]

Being a dumbass? Isn't that relative? Maybe what you see as someone being a dumbass somebody else sees as being a comedic genius, if you wanna regulate how stupid people are allowed to act at these "REAL SKILL GATHERINGS!!!" then how are we supposed to measure behavior? How do we gauge just how much of a fucktard someone's allowed to be? Are we gonna make a rule list? Who's gonna write it? What if the guy writing it is the most unfunny, uncharismatic asshole ever? NOW NOBODY'S HAVING FUN! You're better of just letting dumbfucks be dumbfucks and not letting it effect your good time.

all that needs to be said on the subject of shit talk, if you ask me.

[natearistata]

To get past all the weird bullshit:

Who's up for teaching me a little MB/GG during some downtime at the next NCI? I wanna learn, but I'm a fighting game scrub that was never heavily into fighting games until BBCS.

[Tone]

and i just want kof at nci.

what game do you all play the most in 707? even if it's donjon kof, at least it's something.

as far as kof goes, a lot of us still play xi, though everyone's kinda stopped lately in anticipation for xiii.

and imo 02um is a better game than 98um though 98 vanilla is a better game than both.

also in regards to drama i dont see how bb scene pressured gg/mb players, all they did was get an invite to show up and play, there's just a lot more bb players than there are anybody else so it makes sense for them to take up space + airtime. from what i understand, this whole string of text walls pretty much started from pretty much a question of "why the hostility" being asked, and it just kinda went into trainwreck status from there. but whatever, i think aro said it best, equal respect for everybody would be an ideal thing to have but somehow i think that's too much to ask of people.

i am in agreement of stream time being split, though i think the players of said games need to step up and get at the organizers/stream guys to ask for it rather than waiting for it to be handed to them.

[qwerty]

when xiii drops, i want to get tournaments running for it; part of the reason i wanna pop nci's kof cherry early.

do people play 98 vanilla in 707? as far as i know it's the only real kof "scene" to speak of in norcal, so i just wanna go by what's gonna bring in numbers for pre-xiii.

[Tone]

cj and i are the only "players" for kof 98/um (meaning: we actually put time into that game and play regularly as opposed to xi, which i can name 6-7 people off the top of my head who play) but other people will play if its there. the only unfortunate part regarding that is everyone is lazy and doesnt like to travel for anything, so i wouldnt count on anybody showing up until xiii drops

[qwerty]

98um it is, i guess, since i have it on 360, which means people with 360 sticks can at least try it. i have converters too though, so you can use your sadlife stick.