Toronto BB and GG: FIENDS ONLY Part II

[Fugu]

Reading these last posts is pathetic. No one in toronto has any acceptable excuse as to why they can't come to getty. We show up almost every friday night. It's anywhere from 1 1/2 to 3 hour drive. You know how fun it is being stuck in a traffic jam for 3 hours? Just to play a fucking game. Yet we do it anyway.

Bullshit. Being one of those people not worth playing, not once did I feel any hostility or anything of that sort from anyone here, infact the people here are some of the best people I have ever met.

Worthy people come to meet a challege head on.

I suck at fighting games and I want to get better. The only way to get better is to come out and get destroyed every god damn week. When I started going to gety I didnt even consider myself at a level to say I played fighting games, I honestly still don't. Infact I hated fighting games, had no interest in them what-so-ever. I started playing them cause I met Tom and Kyl as pretty much my first real friends. Now i spend atleast 1-2 hours daily practicing.

I still suck, however this past year my skill level has easily trippled from what it was before comming to gety. As such I wanna thank everyone at gety for the past year of BBCS and for teaching me so much of it and GG. Without you guys I would still be getting mad when i could never beat anyone and being incapable of understanding what im doing wrong, That has changed.

I honestly was kindof sad when TFNS was called off since it ment we were no longer able to go to gety at all that week. With xmas this week, not looking to good. However, after that were keep comming, getting owned, and eventually be able to fight every one of you on even grounds.

I live in Mississauga (west end) and I don't have a car. I have to take a combination of Mississauga transit, GO transit, TTC and YRT to get to Lovegety, and to get back I either have to loiter around until the busses start running again, take a taxi from Lovegety to my house (~$60), or leave really, really early. I usually do the former, and staying up until 9 in the morning isn't usually practical.

I didn't mean to imply that the people at Lovegety are hostile, because they're not; they all seem like very nice people and none of them have ever acted in a way that would give me any other impression. But the fact is, they all know each other and I don't know a single one of them, and because the currently existing community is so tightly-knit and so bent on reinforcing the players that are already a part of it, it is very hard to become a part. The result of this is that you get players like myself who practice every day (I'm practicing right now) and put a lot into the game but have absolutely no real matchup experience outside of the rare times that they get to go to Lovegety. Hell, you've played me, I'm online all the damn time, the only reason I have almost 3000 ranked matches played is because I don't have a single friend who plays/wants to play BlazBlue at my level. Outside of training mode, online is all I can do on a regular basis.

For the record, over the last five times I've gone to Lovegety I've gone from losing literally every game to taking at least one match on everyone I've played except Pui, and I was doing as well against him as anyone else.

[DarkDragon]

Gety is GADlike. It has the best BB/GG scene in Canada so why bother going anywhere else. Fuck opportunities

Sapphire: I honestly understand why you feel that way. You've been burnt out from being pretty much the main gg tounry organizer for 90% of its lifetime and had to deal with alot of shit. But what I don't understand is how anyone else (these new guys for example) can feel the same way.

If you're (general term, not picking on ppl) given a chance to expand this tight-knit community just by a little, then its always worth it.

Theres gonna be alot haters and "scrubs" who say they "might" play and never do but the chance of getting even one person who wants to be serious would be worth dragging the equipment and making the trip down. I'm pretty sure going to gety in this harsh weather is just as tough right?

[archling]

I didn't see anybody at all, but Montreal say they wanted to go to the tournament at TFNS. That was it. And so, as far as I was aware, we pretty much planned to go because Montreal said they were going to go. Of course, Montreal eventually said they couldn't make it, so we saw no reason to go. Especially since nobody else said they were going to go. Your own fault, really.

Good post, Team Cambridge. Stay godlike. In case nobody caught what Sean was getting at, Team Cambridge travels to Getty (from Cambridge, obviously), almost every Friday. I come from Waterloo, myself, and it pretty much takes about the same time to get there, depending on traffic. Cost? Maybe around quarter of a tank for gas both ways which amounts to $20 roughly, 2 hours of traveling roughly, dinner about $15-$20, and $20 for 100 tokens. Roughly $55, roughly.

TL;DR, there would be more people worth playing against if they actually existed. This small group of friends is the community. Nobody outside our group said anything. We are the only ones in the community. I heard nothing from anybody else.

I know it's hard for you anime-weaboo-fags who play that scrubby ass game Blazblue to imagine having friends, but it's really not that hard to get to know a group of people. I suppose in being purely made of awesome, I might have found this to be trivial, but it's not like I'm the only one that hasn't known these guys for years. I've only met them last summer of 2009. Leo met them in Winter 2009. Linear came around in January 2010. Team Cambridge around February 2010. Martine, Julien, and Roldy came around after May 2010. Just to name a few, there are plenty of people who are new to the scene and are now our friends. And that's because they socialize and are active on the forums. And there are plenty more new posters here nowadays; although I wish they'd make our thread less free. These guys ask about tournaments and events and communicate. It's not that we feel that there's nobody outside of getty worth playing. It's simply that nobody outside of getty has said anything, so we have no idea they exist.

Anyway $10 venue fee to, at the best of our knowledge, play with ourselves (when I can do in the privacy of my home with my Ozawa Maria porn) just didn't seem worth it. To put the value of $10 into perspective, instead of paying the venue fee, we pooled $10 and bought a lot of beer and had drunken se-- I mean drunken GG and BB gaming at my house which was a tonne of fun. Except Leo dented my floor and took a shit on my floor, which was not that great. Oh, yeah, I also reverse OCV'd Nazir, AN Champ, and Steve.

Who's the master?

EDIT: I forgot to say: Get some EQ, assholes.

EDIT EDIT: Who's the master?

Edited December 21, 2010 by archling

[Fugu]

$20 for 100 tokens? Man, I'm getting ripped off.

It makes a huge difference having a car. It takes me nearly four hours to get to Lovegety and I don't live half as far. It also makes a huge difference being a regular as opposed to being that guy who shows up sometimes; it's a crapshoot even if I'm the loudest guy in the room. That the community is anchored entirley to Lovegety is very unfortunate for those of us who can't regularly make the trip because there's only so good you can get playing in isolation. I don't see a reasonable way of this trend breaking outside of publicizing the hell out of some tournaments because a huge chunk of the BlazBlue audience doesn't know that Dustloop exists and a huge chunk of them don't know this thread exists and then a huge chunk of THEM will quit very early on due to the general lack of learning resources compared to, say, Street Fighter.

For the record, the problem is not a lack of commitment: On saturday, I left at 3:30 to get there at 7 after having gotten four hours of sleep. My friend and I left Lovegety at around 3 AM, loitered at Big Mouth Kee until like 6, loitered outside until around 7, and then caught the bus to the subway to the bus to the bus home.

[DioBrando]

I love how every 2 or 3 weeks there's some debate on the forum.

First argument I want to make is damn Wu. The only reason you reverse-OCV because I had Nazir on my team. Guy had them cleavage, got me SO DISTRACTED!!! Anyway, fun times. Win streak with Unlimited Haku-men and other retarded things that night were cool. Leo touching my hair, cool. Leo denting the floor, not cool. Nazir dissing my Roger, not cool as well. I think I drank a bit too much since when I got home and started taking a nap, I think I felt my liver taking a beating.

Second part is about getting into the community. Honestly, its very hard to involved with our community. I seen so many different people play the game with us, but for some reason, they don't talk to us. By opening your mouth and talking to one another, you can learn so much more about the community and get more involved. I don't think the community is as closely-knit as everyone calls it out to be. I opened my mouth and now I'm a part of this, even though I'm a BB scrub. Shit, BB not my type of game with its weird pacing but I still try. I don't know why people don't try talking to any one of us, even though it looks like we're a group of people. We are all here for the same reason, playing BB/GG/MB/whatever. That there is a common topic to start off with and a good start I guess. Its not like we're all some gang loitering around, doing MM and side-bets with occasional fights due to someone not paying. I can understand if someone is nervous, shy or intimidated by seeing a group of people they don't know but take it one step at a time by talking to that one guy on the other side of the cabinet and work your way around it, but this kind of excuse is not good enough. Sooner or later you have to overcome this if you wanna make friends as school, work, get a girl/boyfriend or whatever. Might as well start now when you gots the chance.

This one doesn't belong in the general argument but it was brought up, the lack of general information for BB. BB isn't that hard of a game as compared to a few other games. Lot of time, you wouldn't be aware of key information such as Arakune kara-dives or OS. Do you think many other games or sites will pool all their information and give it out like that? No, not every community does that, especially SF. The most any of those sites give are the basics, and it makes sense because you have to start from the basics and move on up. These sites can only go as so far to help you that its all on your own afterwards. You have to find out new things to do, new combos (if they exist and worth doing), match-ups and etc. No one is going sit down and type down everything they know to you just because people demand it. There are occasional few who do contribute a lot of information, but there's so much that you can only do. Whenever I try learning new games or characters, there's still that lack of information such as kara-throw, OS, match-up, etc but that's for me to figure out. Like recently, I picked up SSF4 and started learning Ibuki, the forum and SRK wiki were great for the basics, but beyond that its all up to me to get better than being scrub mode. There's the whole "there's guide for specific in-depth stuff" for other characters. Like I said, its generous people that give up their time or a basic key part of the character. Learning and playing fighting games is something you take control of and learn at your own pace.

EDIT: Even if one site lacks basic information such as the idea of mind-games, frame traps and etc. That shouldn't discourage the individual from learning the game. There are a bunch of other games that have the same idea and concept and such worded or used differently in each game. Just knowing the basic idea of those things and personal endeavor will pull you through.

Edited December 20, 2010 by DioBrando

[Akuun]

Yeah for those who don't know, you can get 100 tokens for $20 if you ring the bell at the desk and ask the gety boss directly. *Don't* use the token machine if you're buying tokens in bulk.

you akuun, wt have u been doing?!

Hey, I lack natural genius. I need to figure out how to eat Goro's brain.

[Zeero]

shoutouts to me writing an hour+ long post to have it accidently press back on my keyboard and deleted lol.

If i can slack off work again later today, i'll retype it, but for now, fuck this

[DioBrando]

KEYBOARD SCRUB!!!

[neorussell]

Hermes don't take all the blame, we all collectively said fuck it.

Russell :

- Your impression of the BB/GG community is correct. The top players have been the same for the past 10 years. This will not change anytime in the near future. You will not be one of the people to take out our top players (because I've heard that before and you gave up, just like every other scrub). This is not SF4 where some random scrubs can just show up and ultra us to win. We will continue to troll and troll until players step up and force us to play seriously. I also pray that some of the new players excel and beat us to a pulp. The top players are all dying for this. Please, PLEASE step the fuck up, all of you.

I can't say the same for GG, I gave up on that because everybody's knowledge is just so deep that I couldn't catch up. BB on the other hand, I will certainly do my best.

- Whatever scrubs asked you what's going on with the BB tourney at TFNS, you can tell them to come to gety. When we host a tourney at gety, we see nobody except the gety regulars. We don't see a point in travelling downtown to host a tournament for a few extra scrubs that we will never see again. My definition of a community member is someone who actively participates in community events, somebody who goes out of their own way to be recognized as part of the community. When we have to go to THEIR AREA so that they can prove themself, yeah, that shit ain't gonna happen. In the world I grew up, you go where the competition is if you want to prove something, you don't wait for it to come to you. These guys who asked you about the BB tourney are not community members, they are scrubs who have 0% chance at making top 5. They are scrubs who I will never ever see at a gety tourney. They are scrubs who will not contribute to this community in any way. And if you're reading this, come to gety and prove it.

Such an elitist way of thinking Nazir. I certainly understand that these people are not going to win or even reach top 5. The fact that they want to participate is the whole point of having a tournament. Doesn't matter if you don't see them again, atleast give them a chance to understand that themselves.

- I will not however, apologize to any fucking scrub who made arrangements to make it out to TFNS in hopes of a BBCS tourney so that they can demonstrate how much they fucking suck. Why? Because tournaments are held at gety all the time. I've went out of my own way far too many times in hopes of pleasing the community, only to see people give up. So consequently, I've given up on the "community", and only play with my close friends at gety.

You should cause a tournament was advertised around you guys agreeing to the date. Also, it's not about you. A tournament is for a community. Not about how you feel it's gonna turn out. A good organizer will not cancel his tournament just because he foresees low attendance. A tournament was advertised so you should expect people to come.

Kumori: Good to hear you've improved. Hope to see you in good standing in future tournaments.

Archling: Great to hear that you guys had fun that day. Wish i could say the same about people who could not come cause they were expecting to be somewhere else.

My whole argument really is "Organizers cannot cancel a tournament a day before". I've also mentioned that i'm not mad, just disappointed at what happened. Saying that you guys "will play the same people anyway" is seriously not a good enough excuse. Name any tournament that this does not happen. You'll always play the same people but one of those unknown will slip the crack hoping to prove himself. It's too bad the chance was not given.

NeoRussell

[DioBrando]

Also, there's a community if Mississauga. They call themselves G3.

[NewNugget0]

Thanks guys for the warm welcome. I try to come whenever RL doesn't interfere.

Oh btw, props to NewNugget. You have a beast lambda for somebody who just showed up at gety lol. I was the Ragna who gave you the game when you were about to lose, I just wanted to test you. You should come hang out with us more.

Thanks Nazir (I think?). Your a beast for someone that doesn't even play the game. I would like to give it another shot in the future.

newnugget, welcome to be part of gety fiend, i approve ur lambda skill

keep playing and lv up

Thanks K2. I'm pretty sure you were the first player I faced in BBCS when it launched in LG. Gave me a good beating. I'll keep playing lol.

Note: When I was playing on the cab, I tried tapping C, but it didn't come out. Tried harder, and it still wouldn't come out. Thats when i said **** it and mashed. So for what it's worth -- mashing works.

Edited December 20, 2010 by NewNugget0

[Zeero]

Heres my longass post, retyped, so it shortens, fuck this. Used to be 10 points, now, a lot less coz i don't remember anymore.

1. We're sorry that we ditched the last minute, but it really was a last decision to even ditch. It was thursday night when I heard that MTL couldn't make the trip, at which point I was thinking "oh well at least we can play sauga". Friday night comes around, I find out even Sauga can't make the trip anymore. The whole reason why we even wanted to do this in the first place was for the MTL guys (who leo has been stalking and know they've actively stepped up since T11) so we want to play. Now theres simply no reason to.

2. You're right, BB can easily draw 20+ players, because 18 of those would be gety guys, and 2+ random peeps. In fact, at T11 iirc, there were 2 guys from toronto (shoutouts to nekoneko and tinman) that joined, 5-6? MTL/Ottawa, Nerdjosh, and everybody else were from gety. We had 30 people. Other SRK guys I know that plays BB didn't even join the tournament (although they came in for casuals) because they just dont have that desire to win. We only go to T tourneys in hopes to play against foreigners, we don't expect to actually get a lot of new locals to our community. We've been through this 10 years. We know it isn't happening, the organizers are getting burned out of even trying at the wrong places. In fact, we've had more success at getting new locals from going to anime conventions lol. SRK just isn't the place.

3. I don't think our mentality is that "we're fucking awesome, nobodys gonna beat us, especially the top players", at least I don't think I'm that cocky, and definitely not Master Kou. Its not that "theres no point hosting a tournament, results are the same" its more like "the results can easily be predicted in a game like GG/BB". Nobody in this game does wakeup super to make a miracle comeback of 70% life. In a game where fundamentals actually play a larger role than random shit, the results can easily be predicted. (TOP) Japanese won't go to majors and get 25th in games (shoutouts to daigo) like this, japanese goes and plays solely based on fundamentals and come first place (shoutouts to tokido). Our top players have sat out of tournaments and just host/record to make tourneys more interesting, Our top players sit down and teach new members how to play, whats wrong with their game, whats wrong with their stick holding lol. I'm disappointed that you feel this way towards us actually, I really am.

4. Nazir's point x100. The community moves around to cater to new peeps doesn't make sense. The community moving around to cater new peeps that we know for a fact that doesn't even exist makes even less sense. The fact that BB is still known as "BlazeBlue" to the tourney organizers is still a joke to me.

5. Harder to get to gety than TFNS makes no sense to me. You take your 30 minute drive south from your highway to TFNS, and convert it to a 30 minute drive north to gety instead. I don't see the problem that people can make it to TFNS but not gety. If they actually care enough about leveling up and playing good people, they should make the trip. People taking public transportation I can understand, since VIVA is a bitch, so thats fine, but even our community has people relying on public transportation and showing up. Shoutouts to cambridge and fugu for making the trips. The fact is, people who's been consistently showing up has consistently been getting better.

6. Anybody who actually wants to get better at GG/BB knows SRK isn't the place to go. In fact, if people don't know about dloop, i'd be extremely suprised if they were anywhere near a competitive level. Anybody who is on dloop should know us. We have (former) forum mods, we have people(trolls) in almost every character thread, we're one of the most active threads on a day to day basis. If they don't want to speak up, thats fine, they know where we play. if they don't even want to show up, then we can't help with that. How bout we bring a setup to their place and teach them how to play, sounds like a plan?

7. Name one person who has joined our community due to a tournament at any T tourney/collective tourney with SF guys. I honestly can't name a single person (outside of yourself i suppose, but you're tekken really) that joined, although I can name some fools who's like "i can't even dash in this game, fuck this, im selling my game". Shoutouts to all our new members since T10 who started off with BB and some migrating to GG now, you know who you are, I don't need to name like 10 people lol. Everybodys improved a lot since they started coming out with us and making the effort every week. Funny thing is with all these new members, none of them were actually from SRK. Wu was through me n dota, Akuun was through Hermes, martine/julien was through AN lol, roldy and many others just met us through dloop. Shoutouts to people still thinking SRK is going to help us grow.

I forgot my other 3 points, so i'll leave it at that. Oh, yes, we're elitist pricks when it comes to going to different places and paying venue fee to play against each other.

fugu: Hi, I'm that Carl ^_^. shoutouts on making all the effort to get to gety to play against us. You got a lot better from what I remember last time, keep at it! I could bash on your game harshly if you'd like, just let me know if you're ready for salt. I'm good at bashing at people's games coz I'm so focking awesome + elitist prick.

^_^

[unsanctifier]

I suck 'cause I'm busy and put almost no time in this, it takes forever for me to level. Look at GG for an example.

Neo has a pretty good reason to be pissed off, calling off a tournament in the last moment is pretty fucking annoying. Not wanting to play in a tournament because it doesn't expose you to anyone new is a legit reason, but calling off shit last second for any reason other than an emergency or some other extreme circumstance is wtf bullshit.

Kumori: Most people have means of going to gety, but if they're too lazy, fuck them. They don't wanna take the bus, they don't level up. They don't get respected by the community, they can go fuck off. Stop worrying about them.

Nazir, Pui, and anyone else who said fuck going to tournaments outside of the usual area when there aren't new people to face...

YOU'RE FUCKING RIGHT.

Despite the fact that I do support these things, its only 'cause maybe other people who are the tournaments may get interested in it. I know a bunch of SF people asked me a lot of questions about BB/GG. But other than that's it, gety tournaments are just fine. They're hype, its a place we all already know, we're comfortable, no excuses about consoles, sticks, lag, whatever BS excuses come up after a tournament from people.

To whoever posted about not being friendly - It still feels like walking into a tight-knit community of people who only really take in people who are great at these games. But it could just be me. I must be a jerk or something =\

[Leo7]

LOL, "stalk", more like "lurk".

I'm p free at BB and GG and everyone's still nice to me.

Don't take it too personally if anyone thinks your ass at a game or criticizes your play, it's just a game.

I'd make a longer post but I'm leaving the house soon. Peace out/Stay free/Stay gdlk/etc.

[unsanctifier]

LOL, "stalk", more like "lurk".

I'm p free at BB and GG and everyone's still nice to me.

Don't take it too personally if anyone thinks your ass at a game or criticizes your play, it's just a game.

I'd make a longer post but I'm leaving the house soon. Peace out/Stay free/Stay gdlk/etc.

Lol I have to ask to be criticized, but it always helps a lot. Leo is friendly and helps me out with GG stuffz, stay social!

[Linear04]

look at deeze text monsters

whatever they said is what i agree with

[Leo7]

House leaving is postponed for a bit.

Just want to talk about this in particular:

The result of this is that you get players like myself who practice every day (I'm practicing right now) and put a lot into the game but have absolutely no real matchup experience outside of the rare times that they get to go to Lovegety. Hell, you've played me, I'm online all the damn time, the only reason I have almost 3000 ranked matches played is because I don't have a single friend who plays/wants to play BlazBlue at my level. Outside of training mode, online is all I can do on a regular basis.

Real talk, even Getty regulars don't have a lot of match-up experience. I'm willing to bet you have more match-up experience against certain characters than most people here because you play online all the time. It's not necessarily legit match-up experience against fundamentally good players, but you get an idea.

And even though Pui's there every friday, no one at Gety REALLY knows the Carl match-up (some exceptions). You won't know the match-up without playing Pui/some other solid Carl in a long set for 100 games straight. I would say the same about Master Kou and his Arakune. IMO, you don't get a lot of match-up experience in this community, but offline play does help you in other areas, i.e. I can see from the way you play that you have a lot of netplay habits (same with NewNugget, but he improved from what I saw on Saturday).

[Zeero]

yo i don't even play this game

[Roldy]

Actually, Fugu, IMO you should stop playing online. Yes I know you want your daily fill of real life opponents, but that was what I used to do as well. Now, I only play BB once a week, maybe twice, at Gety.

Yo, shoutouts to NewNugget. You downloaded me in like 2 rounds and made a major comeback against my Jin. You're awesome.

[Linear04]

actually depends on who he plays

bad connection + bad skill = make you bad

good connection + good skill = make you better in terms of oki, mindgames, etc.

theres always lag so i never take online seriously

[Luckee]

Fugu: I noticed you mentioned TTC but just a heads-up you can cut that part of the trip out if you just go from sauga --> go finch or richmond hill centre --> viva

Zeero: @_@ I love Viva mostly cuz it was AWESOME in getting my butt out of Newmarket when I was living there for a few months. DUN HAET DA VIVA.

Edited December 20, 2010 by Luckee

[Leo7]

Actually, Fugu, IMO you should stop playing online.

Disagree with this, because if online is your only immediate avenue for match-up experience, might as well take it. Just understand that netplay does promote some bad fundamentals and habits, and understand where those habits lie and try to rectify them.

Just going to repeat this point cause Pui wants to feel himself.

Anyone who wins at Gety in BB is getting by mostly on fundamentals. The BB community at Gety is actually incredibly lacking in terms of character variety so everyone is actually pretty behind in terms of good match-up experience. If you're losing, you're a fundamentally worse player than the other person, which is fine since some of these people have been playing fighting games for a decade. Not saying it's impossible to improve yourself as a fighting game player and reach a higher level, but honing those type of skills require more than just practicing combos in training mode imo.

I'm done for now, leaving the house for real now.

[unsanctifier]

Someone take me in as a student for CS2 ~~~

[poiyo]

Playing online helps with match-up experience since you can get used to blockstrings/how people react in general so don't discount it entirely. Blocking the strings with lag is another can of worms though.

And playing at Gety will help you improve faster than playing online so please come on out more often

I've played against Fugu before, but you never answered my message lol. It was one of the best online connections I had too.

[worldjem7]

Online makes me rage. Especially when it fucks up my inputs/doesn't read it as soon as I input it.

With good connections it's good practice though. Like level 3 or 4. Anything less is just bullshit. But even then there's still a little bit of lag so it's never a replacement to offline play.