Zeromus_X Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Brian, isn't that the same patch the arcade version got a while back? I think that's the same version we got in the console update. I feel like Yukiko should be buffed, but I don't know enough about the char to say exactly what. Just as long as she doesn't become Eddie tier.
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) This is my believe for all characters regarding nerfs and buffs. If you're going to take something away, you need to replace it with something that fills the same role, to the effect that was originally intended. Simply removing stuff is how you end up with EX Makoto. Since they seem to be adding new moves to each character and changing things as fundamental as the autocombos, I'm willing to have faith. We wont know where all the characters will end up until we can actually play the game for ourselves. It's just a loketest after all. Stuff can, and probably will, change. edit: I'm mostly just hoping that they succeed in breathing lots of new life into this game. I'm so hype for this right now. It seems like most people at the loketest REALLY feel like this is a brand new game, far from just a patch. I'm hoping we all get the same feeling. Edited August 16, 2013 by LegendaryRath
Ryd' Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) You don't have to worry about that much. P4A's mechanics make utilizing most of Yukiko's unblockable setups more of a guessing game than a "you're gonna get fucked; bend over" option. Opting not to tech will beat everything except dropping SB Agi on you; Maragi and high/lows will tap you for negligible damage and let you escape. That opens up a whole separate game of trying to read each other, though I'm completely okay with that. This is my believe for all characters regarding nerfs and buffs. If you're going to take something away, you need to replace it with something that fills the same role, to the effect that was originally intended. Simply removing stuff is how you end up with EX Makoto. The problem with this is when you have a character that has something they were never supposed to have, like Chie's full screen meteors. A character whose whole gameplan is "get in and push your shit in" should never have a ridiculously braindead method for getting in that is +eleventybillion f on block. Things like FB Puffball and Slayer's DoT are bad enough on their own, but not on the level of absurdity that Chie has (except where if Slayer lands CH DoT, you're gonna die. That's a little silly.) You could take away her full screen shit, and she'd still be a more than viable character. She already has sufficient mobility to get around just about everything, she doesn't need something to bend you over so she can leisurely walk in and do whatever the hell she wants. Edited August 16, 2013 by Ryd'
M19Kamikaze Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 This is my believe for all characters regarding nerfs and buffs. If you're going to take something away, you need to replace it with something that fills the same role, to the effect that was originally intended. ...no. Noooo. Stop lying to yourself. You already know they're just going to make Labrys even LESS of a match against.... everything. And toooooootally not because we share the same name or anything, but Mark from P1. Because black guy, is all.
Zeromus_X Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Random changes from Twitter: Steve ロードナイト@P4EVO @LordKnightBB 3h chie changes j2B added, it's like jBB 2c is similar to izanagi? AoA is easier to see if you dont tech vs 5D you can get out \apparently teddie has a different item order if he throws with 2d or 5d System changes - - there are more moves with dash/backdash cancels - attacks > short hop cancel is now possible - AOA > D followup > special AMERIKAJIN @jiyunaJP 1m The rumor about every character's DP recovery frames being FC is false. Stop spreading things you don't know! #p4u S.Narukami. Command grab is 1200, no combo midscreen. 214B Feint > Airbackdash > 214B lolll. jD/5D very fast. Where's the damage...
Orrax Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) S.Narukami has a command grab? I may consider playing him. Edited August 16, 2013 by Orrax
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 It seems like damage has been nerfed across the board.
Valthazeryus Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Omg. Are we actually talking about the game for once instead of dinner plans? By the way guys, I am hungry. Unlimited pastabilities, pl0x.
Chumaralupa Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Shadow versions of every character is going to be insane, with this much more content I can't see it being just a patch. Hopefully it comes out around when it starts getting cooler out, I'll host the living fuck out of my apartment once CP comes out and then maybe take a couple weeks break before P4AU2+XCRT20131/2Edition comes out. Unless Chris wants to like, take turns or something for BBCP
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) That hosting a lot thing you just mentioned... Do that. Ted, stop complaining about balancing. No one even plays this game anymore. Besides, Liz is the ONLY character so far the keep ALL her damage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njd88-UNaU Edited August 16, 2013 by LegendaryRath
Valthazeryus Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Oh man, I really hope they rebalance Labrys. All her moves are too good and beat out most of my Mitsuru moves.
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Oh man, I really hope they rebalance Labrys. All her moves are too good and beat out most of my Mitsuru moves. Who do you play in p4a? Really, I'm curious. Edited August 16, 2013 by LegendaryRath
Orrax Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 That hosting a lot thing you just mentioned... Do that. Ted, stop complaining about balancing. No one even plays this game anymore. Besides, Liz is the ONLY character so far the keep ALL her damage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njd88-UNaU The sound effects are horrible. Looks like Junpei has clean hits.
Zeromus_X Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Oh god I just now noticed the new SFX. At least it's not nearly as jarring as BBCP. Edit: Omg, Naoto might have a real DP now. Don't need to catch an attack to shoot afterward anymore. also Liz changes: http://pastebin.com/BZRPU8gG Hahaha, they gave her Debilitate as a move and it inflicts Negative Penalty. Edited August 16, 2013 by Zeromus_X
dejixal Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Lol@Labrys starting in blue axe. I really hope they do this update as a patch and not as an entirely new release.
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Lol@Labrys starting in blue axe. I really hope they do this update as a patch and not as an entirely new release. It seems likely that it'll be similar to Ex and get it's own release, it's just not confirmed yet.
Zeromus_X Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah it's really sounding like it's going to a be a new game instead of a patch update. All the Japanese tweeters use the kanji for "sequel" when tweeting P4U news. Omg S. Mitsuru looks creepy as hell lol.
Chumaralupa Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah I guess they really wanna make your hits more audible for the arcade environment, maybe cp and this game won't be as obnoxious on console. They reeeeeeally want Liz to use the force-awakening super, it looks like there will probably be several ways to one hit kill people with enough meter. Those awakening moves look ridiculous.
Ryd' Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 So one of Yukiko's reported changes is being able to hold and release Maragi. This could mean one of three things: -Typo; nothing changed. -Functions like Agi now: pops immediately unless held. Makes the C version less annoying since you don't have to perform any additional actions in order to pop it now (previously, manual pop meant inputting another C move since Yukiko recovered before the wave really got anywhere). -Complete overhaul of the move: Input the move to create the wave that travels on its own, hit the button again to manually pop, hit and hold to lock the wave and delay the pillar release? If this is true, she might be able to create a whole new type of obstacle course. Also, something closer to MBCC F-Akiha shit.
Zeromus_X Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 >SB Fire Boost gives three fire levels Mother of God.
Ryd' Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 And she goes up to lv 9 now. Because that's what she needed. Really though, all this did was make SB Boost somewhat tempting to actually use. You still want to make sure you're sitting on at least 25SP at all times since it doesn't seem like they did anything to her combo avenues, so you're still dependent on Maragi into SB Agi to do anything. I'm curious about the intended purpose of her new move since, at a glance, it doesn't do anything she couldn't already do. Phoenix super seems like a nice stfu though.
Valthazeryus Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Lol@Labrys starting in blue axe. I really hope they do this update as a patch and not as an entirely new release. Looking like it might be a completely new release. And of course if that happens, region-locked.
LegendaryRath Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Looking like it might be a completely new release. And of course if that happens, region-locked. It's not set in stone yet, but that's a definite possibility Atlus also stated that the previous region lock was an isolated incident and they weren't making it company policy. Since p4a was released identically on consoles within 2 weeks of each other at very different price points, it could have affected sales in one of the territories if it wasn't region locked.
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