Guilty Gear 2: Overture released

[ThePretender]

So I'm a little late to the party, but I finally have my hands on GG2:O for now, seeing as how I'm borrowing my friend's copy. I'm interested in playing some of you guys (and promptly be beaten) sometime. Also, anyone have good hints for Ky?

[Blackgenma]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/file/942201/58409

here's a link to the beginner FAQ over at gamefaqs. it will tell you how Ky basically functions. getting good with him is another story however.

the game is active VERY early into the morning I have found.

the only one who I constantly run into on weekends here is Sol badguy. I've never had a match with oblivion. if you want to have a match with me, it's going to have to be on the weekends.

cooking knight(Ky) vs allowedkent(Ky)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9496417 (Round 1)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9496807 (Round 2 & 3)

Bel Canto Valley2

I like the music. high quality capture card.

[Blackgenma]

unit battle.

paradigm's units vs Izuna's units.

Izuna's units won every fight (!)

Izuna's > Paradigm's.

Izuna vs Sin's units

Sin won all the fights. I dind't test the range units, but I think it would be clear that Sin's would win any wway so whatever.

Sin's > Izuna's

Sin's vs Sol's(lol)

Sin's won every fight.

Sin's > Sol's

Sin's units vs Valentine's

Sin's melee's beat valentine's (!)

the wise men BARELY won. by the end of the match, there was only 1 wisemen left, and it was almost dead. it's a tie between them.

Sin's Range units tore through valentine's

that's 2 out of 3 sin's low level units win in terms of raw power.

Sin's > Valentine's

Sol(lol) vs Izuna

Kappas beat Drills (sigh)

Namehages lost to blades (OMGWTF)

I forgot to test the range units. will do it next time. unitl then, the final result will be delayed.

so for the record, Sin has the strongest low level units in the game.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

Sin's op.

[Xithmos]

I'm up for matches as well, just send me a message or a party invite and I'll join. I won't respond to random game invites though.

[Blackgenma]

Sin's op.

here's my make shift tier list!

Sin <-- the tip top! God tier! he has practically no weaknesses.

Everybody else <-- ky is in the upper crust of this. I'd imagine Paradigm the lower half.

Sol <-- garbage tier. no range (ghosts are his worst enemy), crap units, mana inefficient, easily out zoned and a garbage overdrive against servants. he has his strong points, but they don't out weigh his weak points. gimmick character (who I still main regardless)

[Sol.Badguy]

Gah! the only thing that bugs me is that you never take into account that sin's low level units cost the most. That's like saying 1 group of 225 swordsman is better than 1 group of 150(or w/e) geroppa, which is obvious. But you've also gotta mention how easy/hard of a time masters have clearing units. Paradigm can clear a huge group of swordsman QUICK, sin has a harder time clearing large groups quickly. Sin is definitly good, but I think that with the exception of Sol and Izuna, It comes down to player skill. Besides if there really was a teir list I guarenttee Raven would be at the top with his 104dmg needle, slowfeilds that make enemy servents sit there and DIE not even being able to ATTACK, etc etc etc.

[Blackgenma]

Gah! the only thing that bugs me is that you never take into account that sin's low level units cost the most. That's like saying 1 group of 225 swordsman is better than 1 group of 150(or w/e) geroppa, which is obvious. But you've also gotta mention how easy/hard of a time masters have clearing units. Paradigm can clear a huge group of swordsman QUICK, sin has a harder time clearing large groups quickly. Sin is definitly good, but I think that with the exception of Sol and Izuna, It comes down to player skill. Besides if there really was a teir list I guarenttee Raven would be at the top with his 104dmg needle, slowfeilds that make enemy servents sit there and DIE not even being able to ATTACK, etc etc etc.

derp derp, you forget I play Sol, and his shit practically cost JUST AS MUCH as Sin's. (oh no! swordsmen cost 15 more mana then a drill! considering the strength of a swordsmen in comparison to a drill, it is MORE then worth it. 15 mana never made such a difference.) you guys are OVERPLAYING the cost of his units. when I pick Ky, it's like playing GG2 in easy mode, I am astounded in just how my units don't die EVERY 10 seconds. the cost of his units doesn't hinder my game play in the SLIGHTEST. Sin also has among the strongest elites in the game HANDS DOWN. I would trade Sol units and costs for Sin's ANY DAY.

Sin rips through units with his beak driver and big beak driver. not to mention his overdrive...or his exciter. I've seen how fast he clears units, and between him and Sol, on a regular basis, there's not much of a difference, besides the fact that Sin's must use tension to finish the job nice and quick. Sol's only real good at this when he uses dragon install (50, 75, or 100)

there's a rule to handling paradigm, and it's to not let him do as he pleases. carry a dispel around, find him and dispel your units of his status effect. paradigm is a potentially power crowd controller, but he sucks in almost every other regard, and even this strong points can be dismantled with dispel (always buy two when facing a paradigm, it makes your life easier, and his worse) all in all, considering just how AWFUL he is against the likes of Sin in a master fight (WORSE match up in the game), there's not much to compare here.

you wanna know something cool about Sin and projectiles like raven's or valentines? his beak driver destroys ALL projectiles. that means you cannot out zone him if your in the range of his beak driver (and it comes out very fast). did you know that Raven has the WORST crowd control in the game? he practically needs those slow fields. they don't even effect masters in the slightest. Raven is a solid character, but he isn't as well rounded as Sin is, he's got a limited move list, and can be fairly predictable. his zoning game isn't as strong as Valentine's either.

there's really no weakness that Sin has, he's good against anybody, has an army that can bulldoze it's way through pretty much everything, has an insanely effective body guard units that can attack you from a distance, and he's got every class in the game. is special skills are all useful, and VERY effective (especially his healing ability which is maddening), he can hide behind his superior units and beak driver you in complete safety. he can cancel almost everything he has into beak driver (and then into a powerful combo). he has a reversal counter that costs nothing to spam, is very hard to punish, and works on projectiles. he can't do much without tension, so it's a good thing he's can sit back and gather up for a beak driver which doesn't cost much. he also the only master that I see who CONSTANTLY stuns opponents.

is he invincible? no, but he's insanely good. I wouldn't have a problem with him if Sol and paradigm weren't so bad at handling him. the other character have significantly less of an issue when facing him. Sol is fucking amputee.

needless to say, yes, the best player will win, but HOLY SHIT, they're gonna have an easier time playing Sin.

sorry, but I just needed to blow this off.

/bitching

[Sol.Badguy]

There's so much other stuff that other characters have, but I'm not the kinda guy to type a whole bunch on a forum, plus I can understand a need to rant

[Blackgenma]

There's so much other stuff that other characters have, but I'm not the kinda guy to type a whole bunch on a forum, plus I can understand a need to rant

I know the other things that characters have, many characters have lots of things going for them (I wrote a FAQ about them) but overall, Sin has the most going for him. I can go on forever on everything Sin has. the bastard is overpowered, Raven's 104 needle has nothing on Sin's beak drivers. against the likes of characters other then Sol (and possibly paradigm) handling Sin isn't a massive ordeal however, your just facing a very strong character.

my rant was mainly because Sol has it so bad. he's so reliant on being next to the opponent, and in this game, it's easy to stay away from him many a time. all the time? no, especially when Sol's opponents get on the offensive, but a lot of the time it is. he has no range, no zoning game to speak of, and that KILLS him. I look at Sol after playing him for MONTHS and I can't see why they decided to give him shitty units. he is in no way shape or form the strongest master (debatable when he goes 100 dragon install, but it only lasts for 45 seconds anyway).

when an opponent can out zone Sol by dropping fucking bananas, he ain't the strongest master. you don't know just how frustrating it is to fight a guy who hides behind a ghost and having NOTHING to counter but to walk around. Gun flame is so laughably slow, the fact it can barely pass through ghost doesn't help at all. and to make matters better, Sol is extremely reliant on getting next to an opponent, but he doesn't have any special ability to help him accomplish it. no double air dash, double step, quick short dash, nothing. just pop on crimson jacket and hope you outwit your opponent.

[danceljoy]

when an opponent can out zone Sol by dropping fucking bananas, he ain't the strongest master.

Speaking of bananas, can anyone explain to me what this comic is showing?

[Blackgenma]

looks like Valentine was going to rush Sin's master ghost (his main base), and as a line of defense, Sin placed bananas right next to this master ghost to trip any one who tries to attack it up close. this is pretty stupid because Valentine is a zoning character, she mainly attacks with a series of projectiles, so the bananas wouldn't really effect her (she doesn't need to get close to attack it). that's what I think anyway. where did you find this by the way?

[Sol.Badguy]

Speaking of bananas, can anyone explain to me what this comic is showing?

You have no idea how much I love you for that avatar as your picture o.o mh...

[Blackgenma]

You have no idea how much I love you for that avatar as your picture o.o mh...

yeah, it's cute.

[danceljoy]

You have no idea how much I love you for that avatar as your picture o.o mh...

Both the comic and the avatar came from Pixiv

[Blackgenma]

new video

Over the Rave(Ky) ROBO danchi(Iz) Vs. M talk(Ky) bky989(Va)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9514540

Holy knights fortress (L)

holy knights fortress is a difficult map, you have to be aggressive when capturing important ghosts.

[Xithmos]

Sol <-- garbage tier. no range (ghosts are his worst enemy), crap units, mana inefficient, easily out zoned and a garbage overdrive against servants. he has his strong points, but they don't out weigh his weak points. gimmick character (who I still main regardless)

I don't think you've played Panda yet.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

I actually beat Panda in a Master-Master once with Val when he was Sol. I DID!

[PandaKingEX]

I suck at this game now, anyways. I'm sure Ayumu could take me down in 1 round.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

I suck at this game now, anyways. I'm sure Ayumu could take me down in 1 round.

I'm sure that I can try, and end up doing stupid shit like I always do that ends up in one dead Valentine. Also I currently have no gold, so yeah.

[Blackgenma]

Sol <-- garbage tier. no range (ghosts are his worst enemy), crap units, mana inefficient, easily out zoned and a garbage overdrive against servants. he has his strong points, but they don't out weigh his weak points. gimmick character (who I still main regardless)

I don't think you've played Panda yet.

oh I have, he makes Sol look easy to play as.

[Sol.Badguy]

Ayumu couldn't take you down in one round. Because if he was going to it'd have to be a singles match, and he won't play those -_-.

[Blackgenma]

haha, Ayumu lost to me twice in a row when we played singles. that should tell you something right there, I'm terrible.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

Singles are boring imo. 1v1v1v1 or 2v2 are exciting.

[Xithmos]

Pssh. 1v1's are where it's at. Unless you have a partner that can communicate, then 2v2's are fun.