[CS2] Rachel Loketest Discussion (Keep shit in this thread)

[tofurr]

5b 2b gatling was never loopable, that was announced right off the bat

J.2C not being jump cancellable is plenty fair, its normal cancellable on landing and is an overhead, get hype.

The blog listed it as an update, sorry. And agreed, j.2c. <3

From the kanji used for it, I think it means it's an overhead. Not 100% sure, but the kanji used for "high" corresponded with the kanji for "low" and "mid". Or at least... that's how I read someone's translation.

That's weird to label that as a nerf then. Maybe a mistake?

[Kuuhaku]

The blog listed it as an update, sorry. And agreed, j.2c. <3

That's weird to label that as a nerf then. Maybe a mistake?

I'll find it later and make sure.

[unsanctifier]

My knowledge of kanji is minimal at the moment. I've been working more on expanding my vocabulary, so I can't help.

[Kuuhaku]

Found it. Knew I wasn't crazy.

I was looking at that blog and there were some old nerfs to Rachel that I don't recognize. Do you think you could translate them for me?

・Aロベの硬直増加。CT程ではない

・リリーの針部分の威力減少

・J2Cの上段化

Hit's high. 上段= high　中段= mid　下段= low

[K2]

ok, i can read kanji cuz i am chiense

a lobellia has more recovery, but not as much as ct

lily dmg reduced from the poles

j2c is a high , meaning u have to stand up to block

FUCK YES!!! J2C is not jumpcancelable!!!!!!

YES!!!!!

[TD]

a lobelia serves many good roles right now (by Rachel's standards). Since she's been buffed quite a bit they've decided to nerf her safer blockstring ender.

Though ln CT if you ended a blockstring with a lobelia, many chars could punish. Hopefully it's not that slow again..

[moofpie]

The notes say A lobelia is slower than CS, but not CT slow. So about somewhere in between.

[K2]

ok, i did a full transaltion on all the change

would someone kindly fix grammer and spelling

k let me translate hime-sama according to this link

http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-405.html

-Rachel

BUFF

☆CS over all damage slightly increase ( final loketest dmg decreased)

-JA is now a Mid

☆5B>2B now connects (but you cannot loop)

-6B on Guard can be jump-cancel

-Lobelia land comfirmed (but not hit comfirmed)

hmm...so the pole will be set but it will not be an attack like #R dizzy's fish.

-Frog can be reset ( Frog has it Gauge bar)

-Tempest Dalia faster start up on Lv3 and 4, acts like Yamada-San (GG May's Whale Super). Gerentee Damage even rachel gets hit.

-Winds effect increases

-6A pirorty increase

-6B→6C can be connected

-6C forces stand on hit

-3C higher priorty on the top

-Tempest Dalia no wind comsumption

NERF

-6B slide on CH, cannot be follow up if you are not in the corner

-JA>J2C does not conenct, but JB>J2C will

-Pumpkin is faster, fast enough all the way to end screen ( how is this nerf? some one comfirm this)

-2C hit stop increase

-5C>C solide. Mid screen C lobelia>3D>Iris/Lily can be combo

end screen 5cc>3c x2 possible

-A lobelia incrase recovery. Not as much as CT

-Lily pole damage decrease

-J2C is now a High

- Wind recovers slower in the beginning, and speed increase as it regens

☆previos loketest J2C jump-cancel removed

[currentlemon]

Rachel looks great. She's looking to be one of the most balanced characters in the game.

[moofpie]

She's looking wonderful. I just hope this doesn't make her top tier again. I'd be content if she was high, or high mid tier.

[K2]

i will say she is mid low, remeber, rachel was no low tier in CS, she was trash tier

dmg only slightly increase, all her change are based on CH ( such as 6a, 6b, tempest dalia 50% tension =\), which mean u got to use it wisely

she doesn't have anything spamable for attack, so u still got to work ur way, her normal is still pretty shitty as offense

but once she gets a kd she becomes high tier

frog reset, pumpkin, 5b>2b, j2c along with higher dmg she can allow her to catch up.

but

wind is alot slower, so when u miss that change and if someone blocks everything, u have nth

wind regen slower so u will suffer. u have no reserval and no wind to run, all u have is cat chair, if u whiff cat chair , insert token for next game, i genrentee you a FC combo.

so you can;t abuse rachel if u like american style rush down.

Edited November 16, 2010 by K2

[killionaire]

Frankly, I'm just glad that they're actually trying seriously this time.

[Varamathras]

jA is a mid and j2C is a high. What I'm getting from this is j2C is not an overhead. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[TD]

Frog resets? Is George like CT again?

[K2]

yes, as long as he ( is a male right?) still has guage bar

i think it works like nee-san and wolf form

but is guage bar = life bar? in jpn it says guage not life bar

does frog has life still? or the guage takes the dmg and dies?

[unsanctifier]

How I get it is:

George still has his own HP. When he dies, a chunk is removed from the gauge. When you resummon/summon george, another chunk is removed.

[eirei]

Good evening, my pedophile friends.

-JA is now a Mid

-J2C is now a High

上段 is mid and 中段 is overhead. I know it makes no sense, but that's just how it is.

So, jA is an overhead and j2C hits mid.

Edited November 16, 2010 by eirei

[GenoWhirl]

So...j.2C is not an overhead?

[eirei]

Yes, apparently I can't type and think at the same time.

[kirbster]

Ok, so if it's not an overhead, there's no freaking point in making it normal cancellable on landing. Might as well leave it like CS1 instead of teasing us.

[Kuuhaku]

No. It's fine. It can still be used as mix up even if it's not an overhead.

[Jason D.]

Yeah, I kind of figured that's what it was trying to say. I mean, it makes sense for j.A to become an overhead again, and j.2C becoming mid was their way of not making it abuse-able. And like Polka said, it'll still make a fine cross-up. And more to my personal liking, you can now fish for level 2 hits and NOT be vulnerable if it's blocked.

Oh, and as for George, I also figured it was saying that he'd work kind of like Nirvana. He takes a hit, his meter goes down. When it's empty, he dies, and then it starts refilling. And once it's refilled, he'll be ready to use again.

[Kuuhaku]

Lol. I honestly thought they'd keep it the other way around so we couldn't troll large characters all day. But I'll take whatever we get as long as I'm not playing nerfarella again.

[Junk]

At least she'll have a "tighter" pressure, being normal cancelable.

Personally, I also prefer the other way around. j.2C being an overhead and j.A isn't

[tofurr]

j.A seems more useful as an overhead over j.2C. That's just me though.

And that was my thought on George too, Jason. Except to add onto it, you can resummon him as much as you want, it'll just take a small chunk out of the George meter.