[CT-CS2] Carl Clover Loke Test

[ioKain]

Starting to wonder if JC, J.2C will replace 3C, J.2C for knockdown in combo's. Like.....

5B, 5C, 6]D[, JC(knockdown), J.2C, something....

Depends on the position of the knockdown and maybe the characters hit box could play into that as well.

[ZONG_one]

I hope not lol.

I hate having to do delayed allecan from up higher. D:

[ZONG_one]

Anyone got the insider info/can explain to me?

+ 3C CH knocks down, foot attribute added.

So 3C IAD j.2C maybe possible on CH.

But what is foot attribute added?

+ 6A seems like it got an invincible period.

Didn't it already have a shit ton of invincibility?

If it got more, then WOW. :]

+ 6D Air CH causes wall bounce.

:kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty::kitty:

- Overall damage has been drastically reduced

This is the most important thing to me. How drastically?

I understand most characters damage is toned down, but is this CS Rachel bad?

And if it's CS Rachel bad, how bad is it in relation to other characters?

Low damage is fine, but it's not going to be good if he can't compete with the other chars, damage-wise.

Just like Rachel couldn't. lol.

Edited November 16, 2010 by ZONG_one

[ioKain]

Ya, 6A already has 1-14f upper body invul. I'm gonna be spamming that shit all day.

I'm curious as to why you have all the crying faces for 6D. I guess I don't get 6D CH on airborne opponents very much and I'm not sure what the result is. With the wall bounce though we should be able to get an IAD J.2C, no?

[JG]

Maybe we can still do 3c and j2.C 2]D[. I hope that, if not 3C will suck

[ZONG_one]

I'm curious as to why you have all the crying faces for 6D. I guess I don't get 6D CH on airborne opponents very much and I'm not sure what the result is. With the wall bounce though we should be able to get an IAD J.2C, no?

Oh, those aren't crying.

They are mischievous happy kitty faces.

That means air CH 6D is gonna be FUNNNNNNNNN.

Consider it your new, not as good version of FCH j.B right now.

I actually get a lot of CH 6D's. You can have nirvana behind you and 6D > block for baiting an opponent's jump in, etc.

Until now, air CH 6D only gets me ghetto combos like sj.A > j.B > j.C > dj.2C > allegretto lol.

Or whatever I can get on the fly.

[Angel]

Speaking of ghetto combos, what kind of weak, no-Nirvana air combos are we going to have without j.C?

[ZONG_one]

Depending on j.C drop speed/untechable time, we might have better ones.

Whatever > cantabile > 5B > sj.B > j.C > j.2C late allecan > 5C > whatever > clap?

for when those air combos are too high to combo clap.

would be nice, lol. But I doubt it.

Probably just go a step back from CS, but a step forward from CT and just have like j.B > dj.B > j.2C allegretto.

Or sj.B > j.2C > falling j.B jc > dj.B > dj.C > knockdown.

I haven't seen the move!!!!!!

D:

I need to work these combos out!

I'm excited to see.

[Angel]

Yeah, I'm excited to see what we can do with knock down j.C. Chasing after a falling opponent with j.2C would be gdlk.

I'm sure this doesn't work too well in high-level play anyway, but I always loved doing 3K+ combos on my friends when they got too aggressive because Nirvana was dead.

[ZONG_one]

Nirvana dies in CS = fish for FCH j.B lol.

Too good.

[Adelheid]

Didn't it already have a shit ton of invincibility?

If it got more, then WOW. :]

It had lots of upper body invuln. This implies full invuln. This also implies fun sexy times.

[ZONG_one]

Well hmm.

I need to go change my underwear, I guess.

We might have an anti air comparable to tsubaki 2C in that case.

:]

[Mascarpone]

I thought JC only drops them on counter hit? which btw makes CH j.C allot better imo since you could usualy only get things off ch j.c if you did it super low to the ground, and they were never more than 5b j.bblahblah combos.

and the CH 6D sounds delightful. I get allot of those too XD. ... of course it's only delightful if the vivace, 5B j.B j.236C 8D pick up still works. i never got all the specific info on carls "changes in untech time" from the earlier loc tests.

I'm still kind of enthralled with Fuoco being sure to come out and anima having super armor. That's some unlimited Carl B.S. right there.

[ZONG_one]

It's regular j.C not CH.

Also, j.214C, silly.

:P

[Mascarpone]

that's going to be rather odd to get used to XD

yes 214c that is what i mean. i've been backwards all day.

so i'm curious, think j.2C j.B 2D will still work in air combos? i feel like if J.C hits them on the ground it'll be unwanted in that string because even if 2D will pick them up, if they are on the ground they wont get the super high bounce that you get from 2D hitting aerial opponents.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Mascarpone

[Adelheid]

Anyways I'm honestly okay with jB losing fatal counter. As good as jB fatal counter is, in some ways it's a buff, 'cause it means you can start standing combos with its awesome hitbox and not have to worry about the opponent suddenly being too far away to chase without Ada around, especially since all the cool CS juggle combos now deal significantly less damage.

[JG]

Anyways I'm honestly okay with jB losing fatal counter. As good as jB fatal counter is, in some ways it's a buff, 'cause it means you can start standing combos with its awesome hitbox and not have to worry about the opponent suddenly being too far away to chase without Ada around, especially since all the cool CS juggle combos now deal significantly less damage.

Also now, after a j.B you can connect a j.C for knock down and try to do some reset if you are near to nirvana.

[JG]

Why the ambient look like Carl will be doing shitty dmg?

I need to be able to do at least 5k! go go go Carl!

Scared as hell, especially now with Arakune seem to be strong and Lichi still will be a bad matchup for us.

Edited November 16, 2010 by JG

[ZONG_one]

Learn Ara.

Be happy. Have fun.

[Angel]

Learn Ara.

Be happy. Have fun.

Blasphemy!

[JG]

Learn Ara.

Be happy. Have fun.

It isn´t a bad idea if Ara is way more better than Carl.

[ZONG_one]

Haha sorry guys, my fault.

Back to Carl loketest discussion!

I wish we had vids from every test.

Seems like we had a lot more vids last year. "/

[JG]

I was reading this on the loke 5 post.

●Carl (done by KayEff)

自分のキャラなので色々わかります

姉が死にやすく、反面本体一人でコンボを伸ばしやすくなってたり、姉の中継がしやすくなった所を見ると今回 のカルルのコンセプトは

「カルルで出来るだけコンボを稼いで、姉さんを中継程度に使ってね☆」

ってことなんだろうなと思う

姉さんまじで死にやすいから壁として使いにくくなったのは残念

ただ補正切りは色々増えそうだから楽しそうではある

それが出来る前に死んじゃいそうだけどね！ねえさん！

I know lots about my character.

NEE-SAN doesn't die as easily, on the other hand it's not easy to combo with one person, NEE-SAN's relay (maybe movement while D is held?) is not easy. The point I can see is the concept with Carl (maybe the sentence is supposed to be rearranged, could possibly be "This is concept with Carl as far as I know").

Since NEE-SAN dies unbelievably easily, it's too bad we can't use her as a barrier (someone verify this sentence).That's all I could do with the death! NEE-SAN! (First part needs verification)

WTF? now nirvana dies more easily? or im just misunderstanding something???

Edited November 17, 2010 by JG

[ZONG_one]

I was confused there.

I'm waiting for clarification, because the first sentence says she doesn't die as easily.

Last one says she does.

She probably does die faster again, but I'm hoping that's not the case.

Hopefully someone will elaborate.

[JG]

I was confused there.

I'm waiting for clarification, because the first sentence says she doesn't die as easily.

Last one says she does.

She probably does die faster again, but I'm hoping that's not the case.

Hopefully someone will elaborate.

Ouch, more scared now!

I just hope that both of us are rigth and Nirvana dosnt die more easily. If that the case god help us, especially now that it recover more slower and Carl can´t do much when he is alone.