Allowing beginner mode in tournaments

[Dacidbro]

No one who uses beginner mode will ever win a real tournament. People get exposed to real players and have a way to play. Profit.

[Shockna]

How would Blazblue being the next competitive Brawl be a bad thing? Honestly, as long as the core community from before remains intact, all becoming Brawl (Except in 2D FG format) would mean little more than a bunch of mouth breathing idiots throwing away their money.

Then again, I play Brawl somewhat competitively. I've never understood the Brawl hate. My opinion is a bit skewed as a result.

[LordSpectreX]

Why not? If your opponent came up to you before a fight and said;

"Right, I'm going to do only certain moves. I'm going to do my distortions obviously and slowly. I'm going to do low damage combos. I'm going to barrier block only. I won't burst. On the plus side, DPs are easier to do. Deal?"

Me: "Err...yeah, okay. (FREEFREEFREEFREEFREE).

Banning people from playing Beginner Mode is like banning every character except Litchi and Bang because they are not playing at the most optimal setting.

[Blade]

No one who uses beginner mode will ever win a real tournament. People get exposed to real players and have a way to play. Profit.

We should put this theory to the test. 20 normals VS 20 beginners, and seed the beginners so that they get used to Beginner mode, lol

[LordSpectreX]

How would Blazblue being the next competitive Brawl be a bad thing? Honestly, as long as the core community from before remains intact, all becoming Brawl (Except in 2D FG format) would mean little more than a bunch of mouth breathing idiots throwing away their money.

Then again, I play Brawl somewhat competitively. I've never understood the Brawl hate. My opinion is a bit skewed as a result.

I never quite understood why people hate Brawl eithe---*trip*.

[Kurushii]

Just stay away from B.Taokaka, B.Ragna, and B.Hakumen. Worst ones of all the Bmode characters. All it takes is one or two long block strings and a Bmode character is fucked anyway. Also Blade you forgot B.Noel on your list too. I remember beatin almost all of the Hard Legion mode with just one B.Noel.

[Dacidbro]

Okay I'm going to reveal the secret of how you beat beginner mode

Use strings that reset themselves in places they normally can't or have difficulty resetting themselves, IE, Ragna 5B 6D jD d2A 5B 6D jD d2A 5B ad infintum

Unless the beginner mode player is skilled enough to IB DP 5B 6D or damn near anything else you want to use, they will just automatically lose. This is because constant barrier guard is TERRIBLE.

Disclaimer; this example may be somewhat flawed. It is a basic example off the top of my head. A similar real scenario may be better than this one. All barrier sucks. BM is easy to beat.

[CakeWasBannedd]

Aren't you the cute little troll for bringing up something that was explained in the past and make yourself seem clean. You insulted and spammed multiple lines of communications with me Cake. It was JP BBCS with very little NA EC players on and I refused to relearn Haku from his changes so I dicked around with B.Mode until Makoto was released. Also it was all online play that I used B.Mode *gasp*. Since when was online matches serious against people all the way across the world with 1 bar connections? I played casually cause I spent too much time recording and bringing content to the communities so it wasn't a "colossal waste of time". Not like ANYONE covered the mode in Japan and I was one of the first to actually experiment with it. Is the mode worth it for all the disadvantages? Fuck no. Is it decent enough to make a casual player enjoy their play? Yes. Should it be legal for tournaments? No, unless they ban B.Tager. Overall Blade covered the facts.

but you're still utter shit at the game

i'm not sure i understand

[Jourdal]

I don't endorse beginner mode, kind of annoying knowing i have to worry about my execution and the other does not. That aside, only Tager,Litchi and maybe Hazama do okay in this mode. I am sure i've seen Seifuku wrecking people with B.Hazama @_@

[Linear04]

beginner mode gets:

no oki (lol bboki)

no combos (lol damaging bnb's)

no choice on their entire moveset apart from certain moves

HEY IM GOING TO DO A SUPER

derp how i bursted

and so on

free money if you asked me

[killionaire]

So it's a crutch... Oh.. Okay, B. Tager can do standing 720s..

Not really a great reason to ban the beginner mode version.

But I don't see how allowing beginner mode in tournaments would discourage the use of it? For the sake of the player who doesn't know better.

[Jourdal]

So it's a crutch... Oh.. Okay, B. Tager can do standing 720s..

Not really a great reason to ban the beginner mode version.

But I don't see how allowing beginner mode in tournaments would discourage the use of it? For the sake of the player who doesn't know better.

GG doesn't have a beginner mode, if you wanted to play you learn the normal way like everyone else..but its the era of casuals, for every genre, not just fighting games i guess.

[huey253]

standing 720s could be an issue if tager wasnt so bad. barrier ib is -4 frames i believe, which would allow you to interupt strings.

its not a big deal yet... it might be if they make begineer mode better overall and keep the easy inputs

[Shockna]

I never quite understood why people hate Brawl eithe---*trip*.

Ohhh, that. -.-

Retarded mechanic that really does hurt Brawl as a competitive game, but I tend to forget about it since I haven't seen it happen since 2008.

[No Limitz]

With that "distortion" charge up bar for beginner mode you shouldn't even be caught by any super.

Oh wait we can't even tech throws yet.

[huey253]

you can hold the button down so the bar stays charged.

so tager could ib and let go of a button and deal massive amounts of dmg to you.. but tager is bad.

[Silius]

Don't get why people say that standing 720 is what makes BM Tager a bit of an issue, it's telegraphed way in advance and you could always just do a 5A buffer into 720 and that would already be better than BM 720. If the meter didn't show then it might've been a slight issue, but as it stands BM Tager is way worse than vanilla Tager.

[huey253]

tick 720 is extremely easy to beat. tager interrupting your blockstring with 720 is much harder.

[Silius]

Who said anything about tick:ing the 720?

And I'd say that it's much more difficult to IB 720 someones pressure with BM Tager than if you did it normally, it's not as if the 720 motion is what's hard, it's knowing when you can do it and then doing it that is. The charged up Distortion meter and Barrier is what makes it more annoying to successfully do.

If your opponent can IB 720 punish with BM Tager, then you should be thankful he's playing BM Tager.

With all this talk about BM, I'm getting interested to see a tournament where experienced players play with BM only, just for fun. Kind of like those Unlimited mode tournaments.

[Blade]

*tries BM Jin*

*realizes BM Jin has NO options whatsoever poking, safe normals, or otherwise*

*laughs at the possibility of a tournament with Icecar on block*

[huey253]

Who said anything about tick:ing the 720?

And I'd say that it's much more difficult to IB 720 someones pressure with BM Tager than if you did it normally, it's not as if the 720 motion is what's hard, it's knowing when you can do it and then doing it that is. The charged up Distortion meter and Barrier is what makes it more annoying to successfully do.

If your opponent can IB 720 punish with BM Tager, then you should be thankful he's playing BM Tager.

With all this talk about BM, I'm getting interested to see a tournament where experienced players play with BM only, just for fun. Kind of like those Unlimited mode tournaments.

learn frame data, there are holes everywhere.... letting go off a button to do a 720> spinning your stick super fast after ibing something

[Silius]

learn frame data, there are holes everywhere.... letting go off a button to do a 720> spinning your stick super fast after ibing something

What are you trying to say? Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Or are you trying to tell me how to IB 720 punish? If so, there is no need. I already know how to do it and you probably missed it and my real point in my previous post.

I apologize if I were unclear.

[unsanctifier]

Holy shit this went off topic quickly.

The last sight of the argument here was essentially Free Money vs. Learn The Game (AKA You're not hot shit)

If you're a beginner I doubt you would be at a BB tournament for BB. While you're not playing whatever game you're there to play, go pick up some BB casuals and see how you like the game. Beginner mode is just a way for kids and people who aren't serious about fighters to enjoy the game. Tournaments are for serious players, as much as I like free money I don't want random ass people showing up without any knowledge of the game and use some preset shitmode. They lose, hard, which usually puts people off from a game.

Zidane and Dacidbro, take your bullshit somewhere else FFS.

[Manta]

You see a warning when Tager's chargan his 720. Hold up. Otherwise laugh.

[MyLifeIsAnRPG]

Honestly, the only argument that can be made against beginner mode players is that it gives them some sort of unfair advantage. Honestly, I don't think I'm that good at this game, but hell even I can tell that beginner mode opponent's are easier. If someone is able to win a tourney without bursting, rapids, counter assaults, or half of their move selection, I say they deserve it.

A desire to ban beginner mode seems to stem from a misguided elitism more than anything. Anyone who is playing beginner mode obviously hasn't learned the game well enough to even do the basic combos beginner mode can do. So I can understand if there is this desire to tell beginner mode users to learn the game rather than to enter tournaments with beginner mode. However, its kind of like natural selection. If they are serious about tourneys, then they will eventually get off beginner mode. If not, then they will say this game is broken and go play something else.

Edited November 24, 2010 by Spirit Juice