Mr. Kimura Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) His 5B/5C have massive range (can't beat them as pokes), and if I'm in the corner it just seems that shit just keeps me from jumping out or moving forward (don't autoguard, super double jump and air dash out at good times, super jump accelerates you higher. do you want a list of spots you can do so?) (I know I can probably guard point, but he's not going to hit buttons to move, I'm assuming). I don't want to stay in the corner no longer than I have to. His wolf form 5B just rapes me in the air as bad as his human normals in the air (bang cannot outpokes wolf and can only beat it with nails, A nail is good for annoying the wolf and dnails are when he tries to anti air you, don't waste nails in this matchup. dnails are a free combo if you use them as anti anti air at the right time) I don't know if I should rush in, he's pretty hard to catch in wolf form (nails are the only real thing you can do about wolf form pressure/neutral, so start learning to block the homo wolf mixup) and it just seems an uphill battle until I get him in pressure (but lol 6A pretty much rapes me if I attempt and stagger).(don't stagger againist human form unless you do an actual frame trap, 5A 2B 5A 6A etc, the autoguard on 6A is on frame 5, so it blows up 5A stagger for free) I should probably use more D nails, but I don't feel I have any advantage after them, and it just seems its wasting them. (use them when you HAVE to) The matchup is kinda butt, it would be worse but valkenhayn doesn't have a reversal (thank god). CS1 Bang vs Valkenhayn was actually legit sad times (bad for bang) ------ Yeah Huey pretty much got this, but when are the points in which I have some breathing room? I don't like getting tagged back to the corner for moving the joystick. The matchup isn't so bad when you're in but it usually spells out for me getting pressured and having to do my best to avoid wolf mixup (good blocking and a well placed 5A tend to work, if you can react). While I'm griping about the matchup, another thing that scares me is his 6C, considering if he lands a hit on you, you're getting cornered and eventually will have to face the 6C. Its slow as hell and can be 2D'd or whatever, but if you mash too hard or mistime, you're getting Fatal'd, and if you block you lose a primer. 6C on netplay makes me very sad. Edited May 30, 2011 by Mr. Kimura
lolRee Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 Can you not just bait the 6A like you would a DP? I stagger pressure on Valk all the time and it never really gets me blown up. Also it feels like once you get used to the points where he can go from human to wolf in his pressure strings, jumping out/ poking him feels easier. The thing I dislike about this matchup is how fast he can get a Wolf cmd grab out there. And the recovery time on it is almost nonexistent... He jumps a lot, Bangs airgrab range is magical. See what you can do with that.
Leo7 Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 bait it as much as you can by keeping your air trajectory unpredictable. but yea it's dumb.
lolRee Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Lmao, Umbrella the wolf form, never thought of that. Sounds hilarious. Thinking about it though, the umbrella has a delay, he could go back to Human and block. If I'm in the air (this is what I save all nails for in this fight) D-Nails all day. On the ground...idk depends on range I guess, I like 3Cs a lot.
DaiAndOh Posted November 5, 2011 Author Posted November 5, 2011 Umbrella....is that really going to do anything with to C dashing anywhere?
Reioumu Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 you need to make your nails out of silver. d-nails will do 10x damage
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