Tong Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Tager definitively improved, still not Potemkin level though. Besides he's a big guy, and stupid stuff always happens to this sort of character...
Manta Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 5A is so rewarding at gadget that I think many players will flock to Tager. Sadly we are no longer the low tier hero. That is reserved for the bottom 5 for now. Is anyone being made out to be the low tier scrappy yet? Early days still I guess.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Yeah, Tier list iirc is: S: Ragna, Valk A: Bang, Hakumen, Tao, Carl, Hazama, Arakune B: Lambda, Mu, Plat, Relius, Rachel, Tager C: Jin, Noel, Litchi D: Tsubaki, Makoto Edited November 28, 2011 by A.X.I.S.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 Jbbs, this was the one that didn't sound too ridiculous. Makoto and Tsubaki are the new low tier heroes atm and they are not even doing that well. C tier are try hards and B tier are the good.
Hecatom Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Yeah, Tier list iirc is: S: Ragna, Valk A: Bang, Hakumen, Tao, Carl, Hazama B: Lambda, Mu, Plat, Relius, Rachel, Tager C: Jin, Noel, Litchi D: Tsubaki, Makoto tbh, i cant believe this list :P, it has been so long that we have been the resident low tiers, that seeing other chars struggling, and Tager being considered actually a good, it just feels so unreal hopefully, tager being good on this game wouldnt mean a horrible overuse of him that would grant a new nerf rape for the poor guy btw i thought that the C tiers and D tiers were doing fine, all of them, i thought that they were actually B tier, B- at worse
A.X.I.S. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 His damage is better and he barely changed. @ Hec: Tager being good was a by product on correcting issues he had. It feels intentional since they buffed his combo rate, nerf'd comboability of command grabs and raped collider proration.
MashThat5A Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Ragna S tier? How did that happen? Who knows. It's either the fact that the j.D changes give him more combo options, meter gain, and corner carry, everyone else in the cast was neutered so hard that his average damage is just that much higher than everyone else, or he's just going on the same old slippery slope that he has in every game.
Hecatom Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 His damage is better and he barely changed. @ Hec: Tager being good was a by product on correcting issues he had. It feels intentional since they buffed his combo rate, nerf'd comboability of command grabs and raped collider proration. i know that, and im actually very happy with the changes, all of them are quite similar to what i wanted for him, maybe with the exception that we cant still, fake the sledge its just that the changes of the C and D tier (outside Litchi, Makoto, Noel) didnt feel as drastic to reverse their placement on the tier list, lol
Manta Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 His damage is better and he barely changed. @ Hec: Tager being good was a by product on correcting issues he had. It feels intentional since they buffed his combo rate, nerf'd comboability of command grabs and raped collider proration. His combo rate is better too? I thought the fact that his moves all hit so much harder and for better P2 was the cause of all of the damage we're seeing.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 I thought it was a combo rate buff but I can be wrong. If you guys can do the math to determine if its a rate buff then that would be perfect.
Mucky Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Who knows. It's either the fact that the j.D changes give him more combo options, meter gain, and corner carry, everyone else in the cast was neutered so hard that his average damage is just that much higher than everyone else, or he's just going on the same old slippery slope that he has in every game. It's probably that. Same thing happened with CS1, everyone got fucked while Ragna basically stayed the same, he was high-tier in the beginning and fell down as time went on, etc. I just refuse to believe he is on the same level as Valkenhayn. Looking at the Valk forums he didn't get any major changes either, and in CS2 he was above Ragna if not the entire cast. Something doesn't add up about that.
Manta Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 I thought it was a combo rate buff but I can be wrong. If you guys can do the math to determine if its a rate buff then that would be perfect. Just did the maths, it's 40% still. We're getting mad damage out of the fact that 40% x ouch x 15 is still a lot of damage.
A.X.I.S. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 Good stuff Manta. @ mAc: Thanks, he is A tier as well.
Manta Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Do you want to post this info at the top of the CSX thread? http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12565-Iron-Tager-CS2-gt-CSX-changes-thread.&p=1184832&viewfull=1#post1184832 Also add in the Terrabreak is 30% minimum damage now.
Tong Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 It's probably that. Same thing happened with CS1, everyone got fucked while Ragna basically stayed the same, he was high-tier in the beginning and fell down as time went on, etc. I just refuse to believe he is on the same level as Valkenhayn. Looking at the Valk forums he didn't get any major changes either, and in CS2 he was above Ragna if not the entire cast. Something doesn't add up about that. You're telling me that they havent figured out CS2 Ragna yet? Ragna is that deep.
Reikomaru Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Tager top tier? I rarely ever get to fight him, so I don't know what to expect and I keep getting 720'd. :P Oh yeah! Favor guys, let's make Tager the Christmas Banner for Blazblue's facebook page! Please like this thingy! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=427835079976&set=a.427834929976.61025.126073299976&type=3 Thank you guys! ^_^
Zeron_X25 Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Tager top tier? I rarely ever get to fight him, so I don't know what to expect and I keep getting 720'd. :P Oh yeah! Favor guys, let's make Tager the Christmas Banner for Blazblue's facebook page! Please like this thingy! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=427835079976&set=a.427834929976.61025.126073299976&type=3 Thank you guys! ^_^ Godlike.
Commanderoftroy Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 They didn't really change damage on any of his moves did they? For the most part it seems to me it's just being able to get damage when you touch someone now. It was my problem with him as grappler, you should be doing more damage that everyone else in the game at the loss of mobility and lack of corner carry and all the like. I may only get to hit you twice a fight and you should feel it, like the CT spark bolt days.
Manta Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) They didn't really change damage on any of his moves did they? For the most part it seems to me it's just being able to get damage when you touch someone now. It was my problem with him as grappler, you should be doing more damage that everyone else in the game at the loss of mobility and lack of corner carry and all the like. I may only get to hit you twice a fight and you should feel it, like the CT spark bolt days. They upped the damage on many of his moves, and upped the minimum damage on his supers, go have a look on the front page of this very thread. The improved comboability of anything you do owes much to the buffed 5B and special cancellable 3C. Incidentally, is a CH 3C techable as well? Also, the front page says Tager's Character Combo rate is better, when it's not. Edited December 5, 2011 by Manta
A.X.I.S. Posted December 5, 2011 Author Posted December 5, 2011 I want to say a lot of stuff concerning CSX Tager, I will tell you my thoughts when I wake up from my sleep. Fuck it 3 hour sleeps at NEC.
Commanderoftroy Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah I had just read combo rate and the new level increase and combo ability of 5b which is great. That beats out a lot of pokes in the game im surprised I haven't seen it used more in that manner with it being even on block and jump cancelable.
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