Putin Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Playing against Valk on arcade mode, TK looping him to 214D~B > 3C > Mizuchi... He got caught by Mizuchi only to tech after the second hit while flying at me. The distortion kept going though and he didn't block so it killed him anyway, but what the hell.
_Sey Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Playing against Valk on arcade mode, TK looping him to 214D~B > 3C > Mizuchi... He got caught by Mizuchi only to tech after the second hit while flying at me. The distortion kept going though and he didn't block so it killed him anyway, but what the hell. lol, the same thing happened to me on like, netplay day2, never ever happened again though. actually, I think the guy playing valk did some kind of aerial roll and mizuchi reset'd him.
Zeron_X25 Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 On Tager: 5B > 5C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > dash 5B > 5C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > 5B > 5C loop. I'm not sure how many times you can loop it but I got 3 loops of it.
Sadeyo Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Is it just me or was Hazama always this easy to play? I'm involving the loop in my game play but it lacks its luster it had the very first time I laid eyes on it, even implementing variations of personal combo to keep myself entertained. I take my losses from time to time but that's probably me not understanding the match-up of at least 80%.
ZeroRaider Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 This version's combos really do feel too easy. Then again, I played the shit out of him since CS1. There also isn't too much difference in his combos(well most of them) from CS2, so it was really easy to settle in.
Guymam Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Hazama is boring and un-fun now. Time to go play HAK-MAN
Shazam Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 I still don't have the loop down properly. Especially past 3 reps or a single dash. I still have fun as Hazama, and as long as he is playable I will main him. His drive is the most interesting and versatile to me. Honestly, it has been said that he is an autopilot character and many will agree with that. Maybe you're all getting bored of free wins or maybe it's just netplay. I dunno. There are plenty of other characters in BB if you really are tired of him. Better yet, you should go brush up on GGAC.
ZeroRaider Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 >Playing Haz >Not getting free wins People must be playing online.
Zeron_X25 Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 Tager loop combo is extremely good. Please use it if you can.
Skye Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Hi guys, scrub here. Don't know any other appropriate place to ask this, since it's not gameplay/story/music related at all (kinda), but pertains to Hazamer. What does he say in English when he performs Hotenjin vs Relius. My hearing is too bad.
Zeromus_X Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 He says "Colonel Relius...that's gotta hurt!" but the first part gets cut off. Now that I go through the gallery sound clips for Hazama v Relius, it sounds like there's some HoYay subtext going on there...
Guymam Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Yep, it's what Zeromus said. Hazama and Relius are bros. Edited March 12, 2012 by Guymam
yashanyu1 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 If I ever play in a teams tournament I'll create team evil and (not) body everyone is the vicinity with the sheer amount of HazxRelius bromance.
ZeroRaider Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Now I have this image of Hazama and Relius singing Guy Love. CRRRRRAAAAP.
yashanyu1 Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Now I have this image of Hazama and Relius singing Guy Love. CRRRRRAAAAP.
Sadeyo Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Okay guys, I'm tired of looking at a nonexistent board of a character that we all play. I taken the time to chat with multiple friends of mine online and offline to get their personal opinion about the Hazama boards and we look like shit. We're god awful and our information is scattered beyond god knows where the hell it's at. Zidane doesn't play BB and Dusty doesn't even even main the character to be even adding his own two cents which are worth hearing. We have no actual Hazama to actually represent us other than kid_viper who doesn't really care for the modship or just post at a whim when information doesn't seem as accurate. I don't care how we do it but lets bond together at one point and lets clean up some sections. I'll do it myself if I have to but I wouldn't mind the help or input from any player from this character board. We can talk more through here, private messages, skype, or psn. My skype is sadeyo.amatsu but currently going by Jersey Spirit Kuro if you can't find the first name. My bad for the rant but you can say it's thanks to this video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZcTtB5FOkg&list=LLSWFwW7yDCCwwajY97IaZ3w&index=1&feature=plpp_video
MetalMaelstrom Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 How many times does someone have to say this? The wiki was made for a reason. Instead of having a bunch of different threads about it, we've consolidated all of the basic information like move data, character summary, and combos into the Hazama wiki page. If you want to see really scattered information, I'd suggest visiting (some of) the Guilty Gear character forums. You'll feel a lot better about how our board looks. If you want specific information or something like a critique thread, either bug the mods or make it yourself. If you want a Hazama to look up to, good luck finding one in America. Zidane, kid_viper, and Pozerwolf are my personal favorites, but kid_viper is probably the closest to emulating what the Japanese do with Hazama. Otherwise, there isn't an issue here. Just because no one has been posting in the Hazama forums doesn't mean you need to bring up issues that don't exist.
yashanyu1 Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I still say the boards need a bit of cleaning, if the wiki has everything then I think the Cs2 guide thread should either be updated or archived. I think that since the info is on the wiki it should be a bit more obvious. The only thing that links to the wiki that I notice from the haz boards is a thread about frame data which no one who is new to fighting games would go to right away. Even though the info is on the wiki I still think a general guide on the boards would be a good idea. Hell at least a direct link to the wiki in plain sight would be appreciated. Yea I'm making a semi serious post in these boards...I'm just a shocked.
Sadeyo Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I am shallow Whether you're right or wrong this post was so shallow it's best off ignored. A character forum is basically used for a healthy discussion about the character tech traps, match-ups, and etc. Pointing your finger to the wiki is not going to make anyone a better player. I played the game at my own experience not knowing how to read notations or frame data because no one wouldn't exactly point it out to me and there's going to be plenty more right after me (won't say I can't read them now). derpaderpadoo is the perfect example of a person not knowing shit about the character (thank you for speaking up). Look, I won't force my ideals onto you and I prefer not to but even you have to sit down and realize you're currently in the wrong. Yes, I will take the initiative myself for certain criteria but lets not really kill one another.
MetalMaelstrom Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 character tech traps I guess I could compile some stuff from the QnA and tidbits thread. An interesting one that that I've found is after ending a combo in [5C > 2C > 214D~B] x 2 you can dash and mash 5A. Usually, it'll add a little extra damage to the combo, and, assuming that they're teching as early as possible, it forces them to block on wake-up. This is especially useful against characters with DP's because they won't be able to mash it out in time because they're still falling. match-ups That is a thing that exists as well. Too bad not many are posting in the new threads right now, though. Pointing your finger to the wiki is not going to make anyone a better player. Pointing my finger to the wiki won't make anyone a better player, at least not directly. I only point my finger to the wiki because most of the posts I see where people are asking for something are either a) "What's the best combo for X starter?/What are Hazama's combos?" or b) "How do I TK loop?" (seriously planning on making a thread for this.) Playing against other people in-person, sharing conversation and commentary after the match, getting rid of bad habits, and learning new mix-ups are a few things that actually make someone better. You won't get any of those things unless you ask for it or engage in it, though. I played the game at my own experience not knowing how to read notations or frame data because no one wouldn't exactly point it out to me and there's going to be plenty more right after me (won't say I can't read them now). That's fine. They can go read the frame data guide under the Frame Data section. It's not like the 'Frame Data' button at the top of the page is completely invisible to newcomers. derpaderpadoo is the perfect example of a person not knowing shit about the character (thank you for speaking up). Isn't "not knowing shit about the character" a little harsh/presumptuous to say? All (s)he said was that (s)he couldn't find combos, and didn't even specify a certain time when (s)he was searching for them. It may be frustrating when searching for information, but it's equally as frustrating when seeing a question that has both been answered before and doesn't require much effort to research. Yes, I will take the initiative myself for certain criteria but lets not really kill one another. I'm not really angry though. I'm just a tad frustrated. Having to come back to the forums after a few days only to read a rant that points out 'problems' but not asking for any help in the first place. If you really think those things were an issue, you could have at least asked nicely first. That, or you would have started working on a remedy for those issues, if you really cared about them. Judging by your original post, your main concerns are: 1) the Hazama boards are unorganized/don't look pretty enough, 2) That our mods don't play the character/hardly ever get on dustloop, and 3) There isn't a good Hazama in the U.S. besides kid_viper and you want him to be our new mod or something. Here are the ways you could have addressed those issues without posting a miniature rant. Issue 1) Create a thread consolidating the information you wish to have, make it pretty and eye-catching, and bug Dusty to sticky it. That way you can make it the way you perceive it needs to be. Issue 2) Tell shtkn what you think about our mods. It's that guy's job to oversee all of dustloop. Issue 3) Yes, it sucks that we don't have an American Hazamessiah (trademark) to admire, for the most part. However, we don't need the absolute best person at playing the character to be the mod. The mod only needs to be someone who will readily respond to complaints of others and archive/move/delete threads. It's your job to generate discussion and ask questions (but not really easy-to-answer/why-don't-you-check-wiki ones) amongst your peers. I hope this post serves as a message to anyone who feels the same way as Sadeyo but isn't upset enough to post a rant. I'd rather see the nitpicking and complaining cease now than see even more of it later.
ZeroRaider Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) Really now, this is what happens while I go to a major for once? Well, where do I start? Okay first, Sadeyo, I do wish the mods(or just Dusty at least) could give at least a bit more "presence" here. As for the mod issue itself, we don't need the godliest most perfect Hazama player to Mod us. We just need a competent and fairly active player with good character knowledge to moderate discussion and info. Little discussion will usually mean light moderating. I'm just going to ask, do we really NEED someone to "represent" us? I mean I'm pretty sure that thought doesn't go through KV's mind at a major. Certainly didn't go on in MY mind at SNCI. I just went to compete, have fun, and get involved with the community...and get sick from NOS With the wiki, its not going to make anyone an immediate good player. Its just pointed there for its broad covering of most common questions. I suppose there could a FAQ guide or something here for the new of new since they may just head HERE first, it couldn't hurt. But of most of what happens here, there is really little to complain about other than the less than "gotta go fast" posting frequency here. Edited March 20, 2012 by ZeroRaider
Zeron_X25 Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I hear demand for a CSE super tut thread. I might have to comply.
Guymam Posted March 21, 2012 Posted March 21, 2012 Who has awakened me...oh come on man what the fuck is this shit now. Fuck. Fine. For one thing, not a single one of you can complain about the lack of Hazama information on this board when none of you readily discuss it. The matchup threads? Dead. Are you telling me you people play this game and don't fight any characters at all? Like, you turn it on and play abyss mode or the games story then looked at artwork before bed? Even if he is rarely here, Dusty did make the time to start matchup threads, which pretty much no one has taken advantage of. There is no real major discussion of our character here. What are you going to clean up? The thread where you all talked about cosplaying as him? Or how fucking SWWWAAAAGGGG he is? If there is no information then there is no need to clean it up. If you want this place cleaned up then start by providing information. How does Haz vs. Valk go? What's a good thing to do off of random hitconfirms, not just ones that lead into his BnB TK loop? What's a good way to pressure? How about a good way to pressure X character so you can avoid Y situation? How should I be using chains in this particular instance? None of that shit is discussed. The deepest this board has gotten is "this is how you do this difficult combo". Like, this board is straight up fucking autopilot sometimes. How do I play this character? Learn this combo. That's not a character tutorial. You ever notice how JP hazama tutorial have words in between, and SSF4 has entire videos dedicated to one character's option selects against another character? We need more of this, not more of HEY GUIZ I FOUND OUT HOW TO DO THE TK COMBO OFF OF THIS AND YOU CAN DO DIS MANY LEWPS LOL SO SWAG. And being angry at Dust/KV is kind of stupid. You curse their lack of presence, but what are they going to come in here and do? Do you want Dusty to come in here and carefully explain every last instance of this character to you in extreme detail and him covering every little thing without any discussion at all from the rest of us? Do you want Kid_Viper to be here everyday posting his findings in training mode while we all sit and watch and keep our mouths shut? They are human, and fallible. They are good at their character, but they're also not the greatest players in the world. So they can be wrong, or they can want to hash out a discussion with someone. I don't come here anymore because there is nothing to discuss here with anyone. Why would I come here to read nothing? Why would KV or Dusty? Sadeyo: Calm down. The mods will come back when there is a need. Give them a goddamn reason. If you're so concerned about the lack of technical discussion, then start a fucking technical discussion. I don't know why you're here all mad when you don't post much of anything either. MetalMaelstrom: Combos=/=Character knowledge. Sadeyo is right in saying that just the wiki showing you the buttons and then combos is not equal to knowing how to play the character. I don't know what it is about FGs lately, but doing a fancy combo does not mean you are good with that character. I see you guys starting to make positive efforts towards shaping this place up, and that's a good start. If you do that, then perhaps people will come discuss things here. Zeron's Hazama guide can be updated for CSE, and the matchup threads need to come alive. If that were to happen, and everyone kept their Hazama homo-lust in one thread like the general thread, we'd be golden. As far as a new mod goes, seeing as how Zidane hasn't played CSE at all and has no real plans too, and Dusty doesn't play Hazama much anymore, and Kid_Viper is far too pretty to trouble (dat kawaii as fuck bear suit), then have a serious discussion about who you wish to nominate. As far as nominees, if you'd please, I'd like you guys to abide by this small list of criteria. They don't need to be the best, but they do need to be decent. Regular offline experience is a plus. Knows an effective way to have discussion with other good players about their characters, for example talking to Huey about Bang, Lord Knight about Litchi, etc. etc. Of course this means ask anyone who is decent with that character, not just the tippy top of their users, but you get what I mean. And no lag warriors or theory fighters. Know what you're talking about because you've done it. Don't nominate Zeron. Then we can ask shtkn about perhaps replacing Zidane. Maybe with this Dusty will come back. Who knows.
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