LeFartknocker Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Dash off of 214D sounds SO gdlk. I love the direction they've been taking Hazama in since CS1 as far as his neutral game is concerned. And yet... I agree that something really has to be done about his combo-ability, loops are fucking dumb, Hirentotsu loop is stupid, 6C loop was stupid, Crescent/Taunt/Clap loop were stupid, and don't even get me started on this SMP shit... I hope that Hazama whips that fedora off and goes full-on Terumi for his overdrive mode, that would be hype as FUCK... Can't wait to abuse that leech-ring of doom lol
Zeron_X25 Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 I see no use for the 214D dash. I need to see it used well to be convinced.
Shazam Posted August 6, 2012 Posted August 6, 2012 Well, picture being able to do stance moves, but dashing before them. It gives you so much more range and makes people afraid to approach you from the air. If you want to you can try doing regular dash into stance to see how it changes your spacing, which makes both ~a and ~b more useful in certain situations. I think Lich is gonna play Kanji, at least, i've seen Lich posting on the Kanji forums. Naoto has a solid design and I was planning on maining her myself but she doesn't flow with me, she feels kinda glass cannon-y to me. I love how Persona turned out though, it's so fun and hype. All of you better be getting it tomorrow.
Chickzama Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 I hope new Hazama can switch between Terumi and Hazama mode, like Tira and her mood swings. I'm so excited to see how new Hazama turns out!
Zeron_X25 Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 I changed my mind. I just saw the dash cancel in action and it looks really sweet. The backdash seems extremely useful.
Gyokuran Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 http://youtu.be/C0Nvt6stWDg In this video you can see the new move, the dash seems very useful, see how the MODAFUCKA moves around while he's on the Stand
abadlime Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 The dash looks sick. Wonder what new stuff we can pull off now.
MetalMaelstrom Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Wow that dash looks so fucking sick. I wonder if something like *stuff* > 3C > 214D~66~D > 2A > *resume pressure* is safe. That, and if stuff like Backthrow > 214D~66~C combos or not (midscreen). I kind of wanted to see his overdrive though
Lich Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Wow that dash looks so fucking sick. I wonder if something like *stuff* > 3C > 214D~66~D > 2A > *resume pressure* is safe. That, and if stuff like Backthrow > 214D~66~C combos or not (midscreen). I kind of wanted to see his overdrive though No. lol Any follow up now after 3c is unsafe... If someone was that stupid to respect you dashing in with your stance after a 3c (which is -4) and canceling it then resuming pressure... well they're free anyway. Its probably gonna be a cool combo tool though.' Edit: I mean, the frame data probably won't be completely the same, but if they ever, ever made 3c plus, that'd just be soooo fucking stupid. lol Edited August 9, 2012 by Lich
NeoGio0o Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 No. lol Any follow up now after 3c is unsafe... If someone was that stupid to respect you dashing in with your stance after a 3c (which is -4) and canceling it then resuming pressure... well they're free anyway. Its probably gonna be a cool combo tool though.' Edit: I mean, the frame data probably won't be completely the same, but if they ever, ever made 3c plus, that'd just be soooo fucking stupid. lol 3C, Jabaki is safe and can frame trap if you delay it for a second...STAY FREE!!!!
_Sey Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) No. lol Any follow up now after 3c is unsafe... If someone was that stupid to respect you dashing in with your stance after a 3c (which is -4) and canceling it then resuming pressure... well they're free anyway. Its probably gonna be a cool combo tool though.' Edit: I mean, the frame data probably won't be completely the same, but if they ever, ever made 3c plus, that'd just be soooo fucking stupid. lol That's not 100% true. What would matter in a situation like that (3C stance dash) is how 3C is a lv4 move (18fr of blockstun) (3C's recovery doesn't matter if you are special cancelling it, same reason as to why 3C>236D has a gap only if you delay it alot). If they made the dash fast enough it could actually work. It's highly unlikely that they would make the dash be fast enough to be +fr on block, but it could be safe (if we were to go by the current version of 3C). I hope it'll be fast enough to give Hazama a new combo route on hit though lol edit: nvm, I guess you meant doing 3C 214D~D dash? my bad, I thought you meant 3C was -4 but it's -6 so w/e. Anyway, I really like how the game is faster now, Hazama's moves in that joketest video had like no hitstun! Edited August 9, 2012 by _Sey
Gyokuran Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Any followup in 3C can be jumped or baited, 3C-Jabaki is not safe at all, but you can set a frame trap if you want, but that's not the great frame trap, and if you spam it you will get exposed.
Shazam Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I LOVE how sexy that stance dash is. It reminds me of Castlevania games' backdashing, with dat green trail. I might be crazy but chains seemed kinda slow in that vid. I also felt like the d~c followup was pulling him farther. Interesting stuff though.
Lich Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) That's not 100% true. What would matter in a situation like that (3C stance dash) is how 3C is a lv4 move (18fr of blockstun) (3C's recovery doesn't matter if you are special cancelling it, same reason as to why 3C>236D has a gap only if you delay it alot). If they made the dash fast enough it could actually work. It's highly unlikely that they would make the dash be fast enough to be +fr on block, but it could be safe (if we were to go by the current version of 3C). I hope it'll be fast enough to give Hazama a new combo route on hit though lol edit: nvm, I guess you meant doing 3C 214D~D dash? my bad, I thought you meant 3C was -4 but it's -6 so w/e. Anyway, I really like how the game is faster now, Hazama's moves in that joketest video had like no hitstun! Pick Hazama, in training mode, record him doing 3c into any follow up with stance, then pick Ragna and instant block the 3c, then hit 5b. Even without the instant block, you can still hit 5a and hit the overhead if he attempts it, and it recovers fast enough that if they do the scoop he'll be able to block. Anything he does off stance after 3c is super easy to punish, except B... but I mean thats not pressure and who the hell throws that out randomly? If you guess wrong and they don't hit a button, he runs up and 2cs you instead. Attempting a dash in the middle of stance only adds frames and is not optimal. You will get mashed and your pressure will end. :l Edit: Also no, he meant what you thought he said originally. Any followup in 3C can be jumped or baited, 3C-Jabaki is not safe at all, but you can set a frame trap if you want, but that's not the great frame trap, and if you spam it you will get exposed. Also, wtf... 3c Jabaki is literally the only safe thing you can do after 3c.... And its not that the follows can be jumped or baited, they can be punished heavily if they're not an immediate Jabaki . Edited August 10, 2012 by Lich
Guymam Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Where's the Hazama footage. I'm too lazy look it up myself
Gyokuran Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) It's because of that, that i normally don't add 3C on my pressure game, i prefer doing 2A-5B-IAD or 2A-2B-5C-IAD back and some chains. Also the current footage is here: http://www.youtube.com/user/HasekuraIsuna, and just two vids or Haz right now. EDIT: Also the dash in the stance on pressure is really good, if you know that someone is gonna mash (like...80% of the time) you can just do the stance and backdash, if would be retarded if you just dash more just to get hit by your opponent. Edited August 10, 2012 by Gyokuran
Lich Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 It's because of that, that i normally don't add 3C on my pressure game, i prefer doing 2A-5B-IAD or 2A-2B-5C-IAD back and some chains. Also the current footage is here: http://www.youtube.com/user/HasekuraIsuna, and just two vids or Haz right now. EDIT: Also the dash in the stance on pressure is really good, if you know that someone is gonna mash (like...80% of the time) you can just do the stance and backdash, if would be retarded if you just dash more just to get hit by your opponent. You realize if you stance backdash then your pressure is over right? Its not even knowing they're going to mash, if someone isn't free, they'll react, That is sooooo many frames you're giving them when you include the dash.....
Zeron_X25 Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 You realize if you stance backdash then your pressure is over right? Its not even knowing they're going to mash, if someone isn't free, they'll react, That is sooooo many frames you're giving them when you include the dash..... I think it would be a nice way to bait people's bait against flashkick.
Guymam Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 How about we....................... not theory fight over a loketest with shit that could change with moves and shit we don't understand yet like idiots
MetalMaelstrom Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Calling it now, the stance dash can pass through characters and is throw+hit invulnerable for x number of frames
Gyokuran Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Obviously this is not gonna be used as part of the pressure, but instead of a mindset game, and also Hazama isn't the type of character of being in your nose all the time, it's you are not good moving around the screen and controlling, then Hazama isn't the chara. Yeah, pretty much the 1st loketest, so, waiting for more in the incoming weeks.
Chickzama Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Calling it now, the stance dash can pass through characters and is throw+hit invulnerable for x number of frames I'm thinking the same thing. Relius got that swag spin, and now Haz is going to have the swag dash lol. Gyokuran...Hazama can be used as a pressure character as much as he can be a zoner, if not more so...
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