[CSE] Ragna vs Valkenhayn

[KayEff]

Discuss the Ragna vs. Valk matchup here.

[Psyken]

How do I deal with his wolf form?

[Tong]

People suggested Hell's Fang or Aerial GH against it, on neutral of course. If he's pressuring you with it, guess right and Inferno Divider out of it (dangerous). 5A or 6A may work as well.

Don't jump at him, [w]5B will cleanly beat Ragna's aerial moves.

[Psyken]

Thanks! I'll try it out.

[VR-Raiden]

Block Punishes vs Valkenhayn:

Guaranteed:

6A

- (dash) 2C

236B>236B

- (dash) 2C

Ground super

- dash FC 2C

Air super

- (dash) FC 2C

Not Guaranteed but Good to Know:

236A > wolf

- dash 5A (beats any wolf transformation except downward)

Notes:

He can cancel this into wolf.

Cancel into 5D > j.A, dash 5A air CH him.

Cancel into 4D/7D/8D/9D, dash 5A air CH him.

Cancel into 1D/2D/3D, dash 5A whiffs over him.

236C

- (dash) 5B

- IB > (dash) 2C

- dash 5A (also beats any wolf transformation except downward)

Notes:

He can cancel this into wolf.

Cancel into 5D > j.A, dash 5A air CH him.

Cancel into 4D/7D/8D/9D, dash 5A air CH him.

Cancel into 1D/2D/3D, dash 5A whiffs over him.

236B (safe at max range)

- (dash) 5A/2A

- IB > (dash) 5B

- ID© (also beats 236B add on if you IB)

- IB > 5A/2A (also beats 236B add on)

Notes:

He can cancel to 236B add on. If he cancels immediately it’s a solid block string on normal block.

(wolf)j.214A/B

- 5B

Notes:

He can cancel to (wolf)C to fly away.

5B hits him for any direction except upback, air hit on any direction but downward.

(wolf)236A

- 5B

Notes:

He can cancel to (wolf)C to fly away, or another 236A/B.

Cancel to another 236A/B, 5B air hits him.

Cancel to 7C, he gets away.

Cancel to 4C, he gets away unless you blocked 236A at long range.

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Anyone let me know if something isn't true or feel free to add anything I miss.

Edited April 2, 2012 by VR-Raiden

[LuminAbyss]

I've punished one of his wolf cannons before with 5C (on normal block)

[VR-Raiden]

I tried some wolf form stuff, I'll update the punishes. but it's kind of a mess since I'm not totally familiar with what exactly he can do in it.