[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[Zeron_X25]

This is what every Tsubaki player does.

5BB > 6A or 6B

Did 6A hit? Combo. Was it blocked? do 5C > cancel it with D and then grab.

Just get used to it and that's a third of the hits she'll ever get on you aside from the other 2/3rd being hat cars and DPs.

[toanenadiz]

what kriegdrache said. also, this is how you develop a strong ground game. by not jumping, you're -forced- to have good mobility, be on time with anti airs, and figure out ground approaches/escapes. this is a really, really good way to get stronger because of how difficult it can be. it'd probably be good to challenge players of the same skill until she can get the hang of it though.

My no-D Lambda vs your no-D Rachel. Let's go.

[advancedNoob]

Guys, is PSN down? I'm logged in, but I can't go into network in bb.

[cookiehours]

cookie, can you do combos consistently? l dont actually mean anything super advanced or w/e, just small things like, do you know how to differentiate between a foe that's crouching/standing/ airborne/in the corner. it's important that you be completely honest with yourself, if you decide to answer.

if not, what combos do you think you need to learn? where do you feel you struggle the most often when it comes to combos? more often than not, it's not netplay screwing up combos than it is the player.

if you feel confident in your combo skills, perhaps it is time to start setting small goals in matches to shoot for (not jumping an entire round, not using meter etc), to strengthen your overall game and make you aware of all of your options during any given situation. l used to do this back in cs1, and looking back it was one of the best things l ever did to train. shit works

Yes, there are combos I can do with Mu consistently-small to medium things and I can tell who's airborne, crouching or just standing. IBut I know there are certain times I tend to do the wrong moves against people in matches. That's something I need to work on.

For today, my goal is to not mash upback - to either block or utilize ground back dash often.

The problems I have are pressure. I tend to panic when I'm pressured. If you're getting close to me, I tend to go into panic mode and try to backpedal.

[xntrikcat]

Yo Cookie, the biggest problem you have is you upback really hard. This was true back in CT, in CS, and in EX too. Maybe you've made some progress since I pointed this out the other day.

Upback is good, but it's not as good as it was in CT/CS1. You get punished pretty badly for it if the opponent can read it.

From what I've seen of Dont_Explain's playing, he's a man of patience and not the mashiest Ragna, which means you can get away with a flowcharty upback strat more often than not. But still it's a bad habit. Once I noticed it I'd just pretend to meaty on wakeup but instead airgrab you. Remember when I airgrabbed you like 4 times in a row? That's the kind of reading you should be actively doing, picking up on ppl's teching habits, jumping habits, mashing habits, dp'ing habits, etc.

Not flowcharting is, like you said, tough. Part of it is muscle memory and part of it is mental. But once you're conscious of the problem and actively try to break it, you start to see results fairly quickly.

Lastly, it's really no use trying to be defensive about your playing. I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but lag affects everyone, and is often not THE deciding factor of the match. And when it is, as long as both players know it and can laugh it off, it's not a big deal. SKD is a dick and loves to troll, but he's usually right. So, instead of having an emotional response every time, just take what ppl are saying for what they are.

My 2 cents.

[Dont_Explain]

@advanced: I could go to the network no problem.

[cookiehours]

Yo Cookie, the biggest problem you have is you upback really hard. This was true back in CT, in CS, and in EX too. Maybe you've made some progress since I pointed this out the other day.

Upback is good, but it's not as good as it was in CT/CS1. You get punished pretty badly for it if the opponent can read it.

From what I've seen of Dont_Explain's playing, he's a man of patience and not the mashiest Ragna, which means you can get away with a flowcharty upback strat more often than not. But still it's a bad habit. Once I noticed it I'd just pretend to meaty on wakeup but instead airgrab you. Remember when I airgrabbed you like 4 times in a row? That's the kind of reading you should be actively doing, picking up on ppl's teching habits, jumping habits, mashing habits, dp'ing habits, etc.

Not flowcharting is, like you said, tough. Part of it is muscle memory and part of it is mental. But once you're conscious of the problem and actively try to break it, you start to see results fairly quickly.

Lastly, it's really no use trying to be defensive about your playing. I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but lag affects everyone, and is often not THE deciding factor of the match. And when it is, as long as both players know it and can laugh it off, it's not a big deal. SKD is a dick and loves to troll, but he's usually right. So, instead of having an emotional response every time, just take what ppl are saying for what they are.

My 2 cents.

I'm, trying to break that. I started using barrier/ground backdash now, or at least instant blocking.

Weill, can you help me break my habits? I don't think I can do it alone.

And I'm not complaining about lag as much anymore.

I guess SKD was delivering tough love, as usual. Sorry SKD.

Edited April 22, 2012 by cookiehours

[advancedNoob]

Now I can get online. Psn is weird.

[xntrikcat]

Good good. I make tons of mistakes too, and a lot of it is execution... It's like I have an alcoholic's hand or something, I press the stupidest thing at the stupidest time...

Anyway, another good thing to do (and this is actually good for getting a read on ppl's approach game...) is stagger your gatlings. I know half the time I mash the shit out of 2b 5c 6c or some dumb shit, but you can tell a lot by how someone plays just by staggering your gatling. For example, you can 5c (stagger) 3c. Is he getting CH'd? Does he dash up a little and have to block the 3c? From this you can tell whether he respects your strings, whether he is reacting, or he is autopiloting.

I'm slowly getting insights into all this too, but I'm sure this is like second nature to top players.

[cookiehours]

Good good. I make tons of mistakes too, and a lot of it is execution... It's like I have an alcoholic's hand or something, I press the stupidest thing at the stupidest time...

Anyway, another good thing to do (and this is actually good for getting a read on ppl's approach game...) is stagger your gatlings. I know half the time I mash the shit out of 2b 5c 6c or some dumb shit, but you can tell a lot by how someone plays just by staggering your gatling. For example, you can 5c (stagger) 3c. Is he getting CH'd? Does he dash up a little and have to block the 3c? From this you can tell whether he respects your strings, whether he is reacting, or he is autopiloting.

I'm slowly getting insights into all this too, but I'm sure this is like second nature to top players.

That's another thing I need to work on - staggering my moves.

[xntrikcat]

I guess SKD was delivering tough love, as usual. Sorry SKD.

Lol I don't know if it's tough love. He is mean enough to just be mean. Can't argue with his playing though, the kid is good. =/

[BatousaiJ]

This is what every Tsubaki player does.

5BB > 6A or 6B

Did 6A hit? Combo. Was it blocked? do 5C > cancel it with D and then grab.

Just get used to it and that's a third of the hits she'll ever get on you aside from the other 2/3rd being hat cars and DPs.

Oh no, you've figured me out.

We should play so you can body me.

[NeoGio0o]

GG MEchaObama ( Best PSN tag ever)

On the topic of Mu 12 being an easy character I feel I should quote one of the better Jin players in America.

"I roll my fingers on B and C to do combos with her"

"Everytime I 2C I press 5C regardless of whiff, block , or hit because there is nothing you can do and 2C CH -> 5C whiff -> anything combos"

Haven#SG_God

Cookie get an Xbox and join party chats. You will learn that it's impossible to be completely free at this game if you live in NYC.

[Zeron_X25]

SKD only loves me.

Oh no, you've figured me out.

We should play so you can body me.

I don't play this game.

[OmniSScythe]

Haven#SG_God

Cookie get an Xbox and join party chats. You will learn that it's impossible to be completely free at this game if you live in NYC.

Ayo ask Haven about my swag combos.

GG's to theoryfighter

[cookiehours]

GG MEchaObama ( Best PSN tag ever)

On the topic of Mu 12 being an easy character I feel I should quote one of the better Jin players in America.

"I roll my fingers on B and C to do combos with her"

"Everytime I 2C I press 5C regardless of whiff, block , or hit because there is nothing you can do and 2C CH -> 5C whiff -> anything combos"

Haven#SG_God

Cookie get an Xbox and join party chats. You will learn that it's impossible to be completely free at this game if you live in NYC.

Eventually I will get one. I'm not completely free though. ._.

[NeoGio0o]

Ayo ask Haven about my swag combos.

GG's to theoryfighter

Oh I've heard stories, but don't you always have the most swag combos especially in games like Marvel.

[zeth07]

Why the hell are you always on my case? I already outlined what I need to work on. Trying is better than not trying at all. Eventually trying will lead to production.

Is anyone willing to help me without judging me?

As long as you stop kicking people after losing 1 match.

[Kriegdrache]

GGs to ranked peeps.

Shoutouts to my inability to stop DPs in 0 bar connections.

Also, I <3 CH Astral.

[Lich]

I actually went on psn today. :O

[toanenadiz]

I actually went on psn today. :O

Did ya have fun?

[Lich]

No. :<

Jk! Hurm, kind of. I can't find rooms normally cuz my net is shit so I just ended up playing with Shiro and one lambda. It wasn't too laggy but for some reason I can't find matches. QQ I'mma be on psn moar, though. After I upgrade my net that is.

[TD]

@toan, sure we can try that lol. neith char functions well without their drive so it's gonna be interesting.

@cookie good to see youre getting the picture. you should try to remember this and set a goal each and every time you play. not only is it fun, and challenging, but its good for you too. you might just start getting a sense of satisfaction during/after each match! the power of goals are largely underestimated.

as for pressure. this is something you can practice in training mode. try making up your own strings and be original! include highs, lows, throws, and frametraps - this is much easier if you watch vids of you char often, and to a bigger extent, can read and understand frame data.

[advancedNoob]

I don't get why its so hard to block mu's overhead. I see it coming but I can never block it, wtf

[toanenadiz]

@toan, sure we can try that lol. neith char functions well without their drive so it's gonna be interesting.

I think Lambda can do better without Ds than Rachel. But that is mostly because a no-D Rachel can't use pumpkin and I think pumpkin is Rachel's best move.

Fuck that pumpkin

I don't get why its so hard to block mu's overhead. I see it coming but I can never block it, wtf

Really? I find that to be easy to block (until they start that 6B(1)->RC->2B). I usually have more trouble figuring out what to do after I block it...