something_GNU Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) Because in the video Makoto used it after Lunatic Upper, and Lunatic Upper follow ups are Mars/Star Gazer/Infinite Rush/Lander Blow so it must be Lander Blow unless Lunatic Upper can go into Shooting Star without our know. In the PDF for Shooting Star, it states, "usable during A Asteroid Vision/Lunatic Upper" So it should be Shooting Star we see Edited August 8, 2012 by something_GNU pic from pdf for clarity
StarGazer Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Ah, sorry for causing all this fuss and thanks for the info.
Arc Raizen Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Ok, that's good news so far since it just means we have a new move and aren't losing anything. Major unanswered questions (at least for me): How does Cosmic Ray look/work? How does Lander Blow look/work? Is Lightning Arrow useful again or still useless like in Extend? Any changes to Parry? Can we combo off of back-throw at all? Air throw?
Bibiquadium Posted August 8, 2012 Author Posted August 8, 2012 Parry staggers backward in the change list so far. And as far as I recall Lightning Arrow wasn't entirely useless in Extend, it wasn't combo viable but it was good to use in neutral game.
Eshi Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Parry staggers backward in the change list so far. And as far as I recall Lightning Arrow wasn't entirely useless in Extend, it wasn't combo viable but it was good to use in neutral game. Nah it was completely terrible, uncomboable without counter, terrible hit box, unsafe on block, lost match at evo because i used it once in neutral, completely fucking terrible -_-
Bibiquadium Posted August 9, 2012 Author Posted August 9, 2012 Unless I'm fighting Bang or Tager, I never have any problem using it. if I see a IB flash then I RC because that's the only thing that makes it unsafe.
HiagoX Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Any changes to Parry? Can we combo off of back-throw at all? Air throw? Read loketest changes in the first post. As for the BBS info someone posted, I'll translate it later because I've got college now.
Bibiquadium Posted August 10, 2012 Author Posted August 10, 2012 New patch tomorrow so new changes to come.
StarGazer Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Parry is a unique and fun mechanic, keeping it like this will be such a waste.
Teutonicknight Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Pls buff parry Parry is a unique and fun mechanic, keeping it like this will be such a waste. Full invincibility during catch and Space Counter would be great.
Arc Raizen Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Full invincibility during catch and Space Counter would be great. Full invincibility eliminates the fact that it is ineffective against low hits. Its made to be high-risk compared to other forms of counters but with higher reward, just like everything Makoto has. I would prefer to see combo-ability on it's Level 2 charge without the use of a rapid. As it stands, the only way to get anything is a Level 2/3 + Rapid which is difficult and extremely costly even for such a high reward. Just keeping her close enough to the opponent with a 2 charge to allow at worst a 1.5-1.7k even with 60-70% proration would be great in my opinion. Level 1 charge is useless, level 2 is relatively easy to get with minor payoff, level 3 is difficult and costly but is one of the strongest things she can do. Hell, just making it easier to use at all compared to Extend would be great.
Teutonicknight Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Hell, just making it easier to use at all compared to Extend would be great. Comepletely agreed. It's one of the hardest moves to pull off in the entire game other than a few of Tager's grapples. Better combo ability would really be apprreciated too. (edit) Catch time needs to be extended a little, 1/4 a second is pretty damn precise.
StarGazer Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 Nah, just remove the counter hit state from it so i can pop it out in pressure and stay safe from throw mashing, changing the active duration back to 9 frames will be good too. From JBBS: 5B 5CC 5D > 6C > 214ACD > 5CC > j.B j.D > 2D > 5CC > 3800 Damage!! But it says something about being blue... anyway it looks like our Damage is gonna be so beast in this game since everyone got hit hard by nerf hammer, but still we are in the loketest phase for now, things might change a lot.
HiagoX Posted August 11, 2012 Posted August 11, 2012 From JBBS: 5B 5CC 5D > 6C > 214ACD > 5CC > j.B j.D > 2D > 5CC > 3800 Damage!! But it says something about being blue... anyway it looks like our Damage is gonna be so beast in this game since everyone got hit hard by nerf hammer, but still we are in the loketest phase for now, things might change a lot. Paste me said post so I can translate it?
StarGazer Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1330224487/861 コズミックレイ：発生が遅くて反撃を受けづらいヘルズファング ランダーブロー：暴れつぶしと攻め継続？（ただし発生が遅いような ちなみにODとかいろいろやってみたけどこの二つは基本的にコンボに組み込めない と思う。唯一試してないのがしゃがみ食らいでルナランダーがつながるか。 ただルナランダーするぐらいならルナゲイザーでいいような・・・ ランダーは使い勝手がよくわからないけど、コズミックレイはガードさせて不利だけど ノックバックがあるから反撃は受けづらいので、ちょっと使えそう。 射程はお互いのキャラが一番端っこじゃなければ届くぐらい ロケテではゲイザーがすごく跳ねるようになってしゃがみ食らいから５CCで拾える ﾏｰｽﾞは相変わらずラピッドしないと追撃無理 火力は 5B>5CC>5D>6C>ﾙﾅ>ｽﾀｰ>5CC>JB>JD>2D>5CC＞昇竜で3800ぐらい ただし昇竜がLv3だと青だった そういやｺﾛﾅ＞ﾒﾃｵﾀﾞｲﾌﾞ＞２Bでねっぱ狩りして昇竜したらSame なんたらって出たんで、 ｺﾛﾅｱｯﾊﾟｰ自体に同技補正がある模様 あと今作の同技の仕様として、同技がかかった瞬間に受身時間が補正されるっぽくて JD＞５CC＞JB>JD＞ﾊﾟｰﾃｨｶﾙとかは出来ないかも。 その他に気づいた点として、JDが発生鈍化してるかも。 コンボ中にJBからJDってやったとき相手が浮いてる最中にあたるんじゃなくて、 落ちてる最中にあたってたため。ｹﾞｰﾑｽﾋﾟｰﾄﾞのせいか知らんが、インパクトが地味に難しい あと５CC＞ルナ＞ｲﾝﾌｨﾆｯﾄも地味に難しいような。まぁここらへんは慣れでしょう。 http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1330224487/871 ５D＞６C＜スターはいけたよ（端限定） あと最後のプレイで試したのでランダーブローについて ODでコンボに組み込めました ２C＞ルナ＞ランダーブロー ルナにディレイかけないと高さ的に繋がらない。 ６C>ルナ＞ランダーはディレイかけたらいけるのかも あとルナ通常ガードで暴れてもらったらランダーブロー中にカウンターされたので、 擦ってる相手に暴れつぶしとしては通用しないかも。（レベルによって発生が変わるとかなら別） 但し、OD中はランダーブローのほうが早かったので暴れつぶしとして機能する。 ODはD系統の技が早くなるメリットがあるみたいね ５CC＞２Dが直で繋がってたりもしてた ただバーストを消費してまでODするべきかといわれたら微妙な印象 ランダーブローと２Dが強化されるだけのような。 ランダーブロを組み込んでもあまりダメージ変わらなさそうだったし・・ 多分補正きつい状態でJDが繋がるとかもあるんだろうけど、D系統の順番をいじればいいだけだし。。 コメットキャノンが発生早くて硬直短いし、２DLv3＞コメットってやったらそのまま起き攻め できそうだった。 ただ、コメットキャノンの持続が短そうだったので、ねっぱからディレイ受身で拒否れそうでもありました。 あと他のキャラの壁ビタがすごく短くてコンボにいきづらいのに対し、マコトのスターは 非常に壁ビタが長いので、端から距離が離れてても端コンにもっていきやすい 開始位置から少し端よりでスター＞壁ビタ＞走って５Dが間に合う 空投げは変わってませんでした。相変わらず追撃にゲージが必要っぽい ６Aは体感変わってなかったです。 JBｃｈヒットはCS2のような浮きに戻りました。受身不能時間がどのくらいかは確かめてないです。 ロケテで他のキャラが既存コンが削除されてる中、マコトは既存コンの流用が大分きいたので、 強いな、と思いました。 明日からロムがかわるそうなんで、色々変わってるかもしれませんが、俺はもうロケテにはいけないので、 現地税の方あとよろしくお願いします。 Seems that j.B is back to CS2 status there is a lot of posts in jbbs on Makoto not just these
Bibiquadium Posted August 12, 2012 Author Posted August 12, 2012 Starting to see the light shine, can't wait to play it. And BB is much more alive than I thought, aside from bluerevo there's also SOB (Not SBO) that is a BB only major coming up.
Teutonicknight Posted August 12, 2012 Posted August 12, 2012 Starting to see the light shine, can't wait to play it. And BB is much more alive than I thought, aside from bluerevo there's also SOB (Not SBO) that is a BB only major coming up. There's not a specific release date for the states yet for console, is there? Because I really want this game. Blazblue is finally being updated after like 3 games.
Bibiquadium Posted August 12, 2012 Author Posted August 12, 2012 Not really but I give it a huge max of a 2 months window from arcade to console.
StarGazer Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 Loketest http://youtu.be/nD7cAS6d3dI http://youtu.be/CeI6IqhqqUo The one who was testing Makoto wasn't gdlk as our friend in the past video, seems that Star Gazer is no longer usable in our combos or need special conditions to combo into.
Goldchampion200 Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 Loketest http://youtu.be/nD7cAS6d3dI http://youtu.be/CeI6IqhqqUo The one who was testing Makoto wasn't gdlk as our friend in the past video, seems that Star Gazer is no longer usable in our combos or need special conditions to combo into. this saddens me
Bibiquadium Posted August 13, 2012 Author Posted August 13, 2012 I thought you could like... 5D 6C 214A~C~B
StarGazer Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 Poor you StarGazer Its better like this, 5D/j.D > 214ACB was pretty braindead (though i am gonna miss midscreen 2C/2D > 214ACB stuff... its the best thing in Extend)
Bibiquadium Posted August 13, 2012 Author Posted August 13, 2012 I meant in BBCP not BBCSEX, 5D 214A~C~B was the kind of thing you did when you felt like being lazy and doing a combo that you just cant drop.
Domethieus Posted August 13, 2012 Posted August 13, 2012 qq more nerfs. Either way, needs more gameplay. Wonder why they decided to nerf her?
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