BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Speaking of Relius, what do you guys make of his relationship with Valkenhayn? From both of their story modes, I get the feeling that they were once partners or at least competitors before Relius went all "SCIENCE" and everything. Their interactions feel less like every other rivalry in this series which mostly consists of hatred, insanity, jealousy, and heartbreak, etc. etc. it feels more like two friends who took very different paths in life.
Rishtopher Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Speaking of Relius, what do you guys make of his relationship with Valkenhayn? From both of their story modes, I get the feeling that they were once partners or at least competitors before Relius went all "SCIENCE" and everything. Their interactions feel less like every other rivalry in this series which mostly consists of hatred, insanity, jealousy, and heartbreak, etc. etc. it feels more like two friends who took very different paths in life. I don't know anything about their past at all, but I always thought that if Relius' replacement arm and leg weren't cause by that Nirvana and Kokonoe incident, that it might be caused by Valk? Nothing to back me up on it though, so I can only wait. I'd find it weird if they were partners or competitors though. Like, Valk doesn't really seem like a man of science, although he DOES seem quite knowledgeable. Problem is that we don't know what he knows.
harmless kitten Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Yeah, I think they were once friends before Valk swore to serve Clavis. How they treat each other makes me think that they weren't always enemies. Relius seems almost friendly with him at times. And a random fact: "Valk" means wolf in Bulgarian (вълк). Weird for a guy who seems more German than anything.
Surf Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Thing about this convaluted story is we never know when things actually take place. Even if Relius transfixed Ada into Nirvana, where was Ignis(person) when this happened. Did she know about it? Hell did she agree/help to it taking place. I was never a fan of the Clover tragedy. Because we just see the two men (pretty dislikable imo) in the family and not the women. We know nothing about Ada or Ignis. We just have to go from Carls viewpoints of them. And from their we can infer they were "good people", why else would he be angry. But Carl is still a child (and was even younger when those events happened) so I would take how he reviews things with a grain of salt. I somewhat agree with the notion that Ignis was probably similar yo Relius or pretty crazed. I dont anyome wouldnt notice that their daughter magically disappeared. She probably volunterred to become the Nox as well, or Relius did it by force. Who knows. If any of this has been answered in any way can someone shed some light on it
Rishtopher Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 snip Yeah I agree that it's annoying we don't know anything about Ada or Ignis prior to their robotization. You'd think we'd at least get a real picture of them now. I think we have a pic of Ada where her face is hidden? And nah, none of it has been (concretely) answered yet. Yay~ Yeah, I think they were once friends before Valk swore to serve Clavis. How they treat each other makes me think that they weren't always enemies. Relius seems almost friendly with him at times. And a random fact: "Valk" means wolf in Bulgarian (вълк). Weird for a guy who seems more German than anything. I thought they treated each other like that because they were just classy gents :P I'm very interested in knowing what happened between them. A genuine friendship seems unlikely to me but if it turns out to be true, that could be cool. Btw, the language part of your post got me thinking if Relius' attacks are actual words or not? Best I can find is it sounds German and/or Italian but since I can't find any translations anywhere on the internet, I'm guessing it's just gibberish? Anyone happen to know?
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I just had a hilarious image of Relius waving one of those stereotypical giant lollipops in front of someone and saying "You can have it if you just let me run a couple tests!" I must make this my next sprite project...
harmless kitten Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) I thought they treated each other like that because they were just classy gents :P I'm very interested in knowing what happened between them. A genuine friendship seems unlikely to me but if it turns out to be true, that could be cool. Btw, the language part of your post got me thinking if Relius' attacks are actual words or not? Best I can find is it sounds German and/or Italian but since I can't find any translations anywhere on the internet, I'm guessing it's just gibberish? Anyone happen to know? Well, Valk himself says that their fates have been tied for many a year or something along those lines. Still, it's obvious they didn't have the most amicable of breakups. Relius's move names are bizarre. It's like they're an incongruous melange. I remember trying to find the origins of some of them. Duo bios is obvious, as is req vinum, but what is id lauger referring to? Id is more well known for being a translation of Freud's Es/It, but what does lauger mean? I don't know what haas means (it seems relatively common as a name), but might it refer to the Haas effect? Translation further muddies the issue, especially since you're going from language x --> Japanese --> English. This is never good for figuring stuff out. For instance, the JP version of id naiads is just naia. Is it referring to the Greek water nymphs, or is naia something not immediately obvious? Same with led ley; ley can mean law in Spanish but the original Japanese uses "rii," which afaik isn't pronounced like ley at all. The only thing that's certain is that most of them are probably based off various other languages. Even his Astral Heat's name is all in English. I, personally, am not very well-versed in various Indo-European languages, so most of them are mysterious unknown words or just gibberish to me. It might be that they stuck words in different languages together to come up with a cool or weird effect, and don't give a toss for any deeper meanings. tl;dr they might as well be gibberish. Maybe some polyglot person will come along one day and clear it up, or ArcSys releases concise origins. Edited February 18, 2013 by harmless kitten
Surf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah I agree that it's annoying we don't know anything about Ada or Ignis prior to their robotization. You'd think we'd at least get a real picture of them now. I think we have a pic of Ada where her face is hidden? And nah, none of it has been (concretely) answered yet. Yay~ Theres a pic of Ada and Carl where she's wiping some cake off his cheek with a tissue. We only see the right side of her face in it though. Carl looks about 5-6 in the pic. There's another pic with him playing chess with Relius (who is offscreen) and he looks about 8-10. But Im pretty sure those two pieces of art are not official
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I do notice that EU Relius says completely different things than JP relius. Only one I recognize is "Cruor!" which means to let blood.
Tokkan Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Many of Relius's moves are named after actual names. Lauger, Haas, Ley, Lanto and Tus are all actual surnames. I think Lafino might be one too. Tedo appears to be a first name used in Georgia (the country, not the American state).
harmless kitten Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Oh hell, I just feel like I missed the forest for the trees. Yeah, Lafino looks like it might be a fairly rare name. Lant is fairly common as a name as well, Lyra/Laia are names, Google tells me that Naia is a name derived from the naiads in the first place, Val is a name, and depending on how you write Geara (Gira/Geera/Geara/Gila/whatever) you could probably find a name for that too. Some of them might be weird derivations of other names in the first place, making them hard to find. This is the series that has the male main character using a name almost exclusively used for women after all. Still though...just names? There doesn't seem to be much rhyme and reason between them. Haas and Lauger are both German (and Austrian, and like Carl I wouldn't be surprised if Relius is from Austria), both that's the only obvious pattern.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Are they by any chance a group of names that have some relationship? Perhaps in a myth of sorts. In English he says completely different stuff though. "Id Lauger" sounds like "Monarchs!" to me. and Duo is like "Exsustio" Req Vinum is easily recognizable in English as "Machina > Ultima" Edited February 18, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
Rishtopher Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Are they by any chance a group of names that have some relationship? Perhaps in a myth of sorts. In English he says completely different stuff though. "Id Lauger" sounds like "Monarchs!" to me. and Duo is like "Exsustio" Req Vinum is easily recognizable in English as "Machina > Ultima" He's saying words in Latin, but he only does that in the English translation. In Japanese, I think he just says verbs that describe Ignis' actions.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) He does "describe Ignis' actions" in both languages; remember he has two voicesets for each language. For instance in EU he says "Exsustio" or "Dance, Ignis." In Japanese he specifically says his movelist. i.e. Id Lauger = "Id Lauger!" (although it sounds like IDO LIE-DUH but that's just JP engrish voices) In EU I think he goes "Monarx! Pulse!" (236C~214A) or "Monarx! Cruor!" (j236C~214B) Monarx sounds more Latin-y than Monarchs. He does say "Vol Tedo" in English though. Edited February 18, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
Rishtopher Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah I know, I mean that when he sounds like he's saying "Monarchs" for Id Lauger or "Exustio" for Duos Bios, he's not saying the names of the moves (which is what I thought you were saying). I think they added the Latin because it sounds cooler imo. In CP, I think he does this as well, just not in Latin.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 His EU voice does sound cool lol, too bad you can't set them on character-specific basis. I was just wondering if the Latin he's saying might have some kind of special meaning to his story or something. Are Ignis/Nirvana the first battle dolls he's ever made? Or are they the latest in a long line of experiments?
Rishtopher Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I was just wondering if the Latin he's saying might have some kind of special meaning to his story or something. Are Ignis/Nirvana the first battle dolls he's ever made? Or are they the latest in a long line of experiments? OH ok, sorry I didn't get what you meant then. I'm not sure, I think Latin is a language for science and law though, so maybe it's because he's a scientist that they threw that in? Also not sure if you count Kazuma, but he came before them I guess. He was made for Terumi and I assume that Relius knew that he'd fight at some point, right?
Ctrlaltwtf Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Also not sure if you count Kazuma, but he came before them I guess. He was made for Terumi and I assume that Relius knew that he'd fight at some point, right? He doesn't have low-poly boobs, he doesn't count. I think I remember reading that Relius saw the "core" of all humans (symbolized as like a ball of light) and ever since then he's considered humans nothing more than things instead of people.
Tokkan Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Oh hell, I just feel like I missed the forest for the trees. Yeah, Lafino looks like it might be a fairly rare name. Lant is fairly common as a name as well, Lyra/Laia are names, Google tells me that Naia is a name derived from the naiads in the first place, Val is a name, and depending on how you write Geara (Gira/Geera/Geara/Gila/whatever) you could probably find a name for that too. Some of them might be weird derivations of other names in the first place, making them hard to find. This is the series that has the male main character using a name almost exclusively used for women after all. Still though...just names? There doesn't seem to be much rhyme and reason between them. Haas and Lauger are both German (and Austrian, and like Carl I wouldn't be surprised if Relius is from Austria), both that's the only obvious pattern. I don't really expect attack naming schemes to make a whole lot of sense, I mean Amane's special attacks are all named after Super Sentai shows for no apparent reason.
Rishtopher Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 He doesn't have low-poly boobs, he doesn't count. I think I remember reading that Relius saw the "core" of all humans (symbolized as like a ball of light) and ever since then he's considered humans nothing more than things instead of people. Yeah, I THINK it's after his time travelling that he can do that. Carl can see it too, but he doesn't want to remember. Apparently, that's how he was able to fix Ada, IIRC. It's in Relius' story mode.
harmless kitten Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I don't really expect attack naming schemes to make a whole lot of sense, I mean Amane's special attacks are all named after Super Sentai shows for no apparent reason. But at least Amane has a coherent theme. Most of the characters do, but Relius is the seeming outlier. If they were names to scientists or common names and surnames in Germany or Austria that would make sense, but they seem chosen at random. But then, given Relius's nature, maybe that's the entire point.
TPPR10 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I think the only move what Relius has which can have a proper tranlation is Nero Angelo (Black Angel)
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