mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Why they show us bit of Jubei's power? Because they want to show us what Jubei can actually do. They cannot simply say he's the strongest creature on the world without any proof. Another thing I want to say: Why on Earth's name would Amaterasu even NEED an user? Heck, if Jubei was Amaterasu's user, then why did the creation of Black Beast loop kept on happening? Gun's don't kill people, people do. That is, unless the gun is automatic. Where Sekigan has power to rip through time and space, it relation to Sankishin Units is for not vague to the point of nonexsistence. Well is simple because Jubei want to find the possibility where Ragna manage to break the seal of fate but is not that easy because there's to many possibility in their world and is not that easy to find the possibility he desired in one tried. That's why the circle is keep repeating because he and Rachel doesn't manage to find it sooner and like you say that amaterasu is a super computer but there's no computer that can be activated if no one is using it,that include a super computer.
TPPR10 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 So let me get this straight. You are saying that Jubei was purposefully keeping the the thing what put their planet into a sh*tstorm because of something what I didn't quite get. That sounds dumb. Again, I think Amaterasu is pretty much sentient. It was booted in the begginging of time to keep it under check until the end of time. Amaterasu decided to screw that and created a timeloop to prefend the end of time for happening. This would go on until Amaterasu would stop it or some one would throw a monkey wrench into it(a.k.a Noel saving Ragna).
harmless kitten Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 The Master Unit is sapient, unless there's someone behind the scenes controlling even it. It has its own desires and select methods for carrying them out. Choosing Noel to be its Eyes is probably part of its own game.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 So let me get this straight. You are saying that Jubei was purposefully keeping the the thing what put their planet into a sh*tstorm because of something what I didn't quite get. That sounds dumb. Again, I think Amaterasu is pretty much sentient. It was booted in the begginging of time to keep it under check until the end of time. Amaterasu decided to screw that and created a timeloop to prefend the end of time for happening. This would go on until Amaterasu would stop it or some one would throw a monkey wrench into it(a.k.a Noel saving Ragna). Well some of it is what i mean,but i will put it in a more simple word he doing all of this is to save Ragna from fusing with Nu. Amaterasu itself is a super computer but from what i see is the thing has done more good for the heroes like prefending the world to come to an end and it done it more than a single time. That's why i think the master unit have a user and the user is Jubei.
mAc Chaos Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 So let me get this straight. You are saying that Jubei was purposefully keeping the the thing what put their planet into a sh*tstorm because of something what I didn't quite get. That sounds dumb. Again, I think Amaterasu is pretty much sentient. It was booted in the begginging of time to keep it under check until the end of time. Amaterasu decided to screw that and created a timeloop to prefend the end of time for happening. This would go on until Amaterasu would stop it or some one would throw a monkey wrench into it(a.k.a Noel saving Ragna). Amaterasu wasn't behind the time loops. It was Takagamahara. Man, I can't believe I can type all of that out by memory now. What a mouthful.
TPPR10 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Well some of it is what i mean,but i will put it in a more simple word he doing all of this is to save Ragna from fusing with Nu. Which is all due of Amaterasu needing them to fuse in order to create the timeloop. Again, Amaterasu is the one what causes those events to eventually happen, so if Jubei really was the user of Amaterasu, he would tell it to stop doing that Or what, is Jubei actually unable to do it? And it prefending the wold to come to it's end? Due of what? The end of time, which is something what will come eventually? Heck, if you think the theory that Terumi went insane due of these repeated loops, it pretty much gave birth to the closest thing the wold of BlazBlue has to a Satan.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Which is all due of Amaterasu needing them to fuse in order to create the timeloop. Again, Amaterasu is the one what causes those events to eventually happen, so if Jubei really was the user of Amaterasu, he would tell it to stop doing that Or what, is Jubei actually unable to do it? And it prefending the wold to come to it's end? Due of what? The end of time, which is something what will come eventually? Heck, if you think the theory that Terumi went insane due of these repeated loops, it pretty much gave birth to the closest thing the wold of BlazBlue has to a Satan. Like i said it before he doing it to save Ragna from fusing with Nu but he don't manage to find it,that why the timeline keep repeating again and again and again because he seek the possibility where Ragna is save and when it turn out this is not the possibility he seek it again and it keep repeating because is almost impossible to get the possibility he desired and he seek it over a thousand possibility till he manage to get the possibility he desired.
kylehyde Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 I saw a couple of new pages and I thought to myself, maybe there has been some new info or something. Mitsuyoshi, I don't think that your idea is that crazy, either way make your opinion known.
harmless kitten Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Amaterasu wasn't behind the time loops. It was Takagamahara. Man, I can't believe I can type all of that out by memory now. What a mouthful. TakaMAGAhara.
mitsuyoshi Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 TakaMAGAhara. Yeah i know that Takamagahara is the one behind the time loops,but i think Amaterasu to involved in this,because there no way a single machine can discover the possibility where the seal of fate is broken and the possibility where the seal has been broken is not the possibility they wanted that's why the Takamagahara is really upset with Rachel because of what she doing.
Tokkan Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Pretty sure you mean Tamagahara No, it's Takamagahara. Tamagahara was a mistranslation Aksys used in CT that they stopped using in CS.
harmless kitten Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 CT had a lot of weird mistakes. I recall Ikaruga being written as Iruma as well. Some words were even taken out, like Jin calling Ragna Dark One in the JP version of the True End, but it was mysteriously excised in the English version. Takamagahara probably would've been easier to spell if it had been hyphenated. The eye kind of glazes over all those similar syllables.
Vulcan422 Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 No, it's Takamagahara. Tamagahara was a mistranslation Aksys used in CT that they stopped using in CS. I know. Just trying to add to the joke.
Volt Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Jubei got Sekigan from Rachel or Clavis Alucard, Phase Shift 0 tells that his eye was destroyed after fighting the Black Beast Remains. Jubei probably knows of the time loops via Sekigan which explains why he didn't recognized Bloodedge. Jubei wouldn't let the time loops occur because that meant the rebirth of the Black Beast Therefore, Jubei is Not the owner of Amaterasu. Amaterasu made the time loops. Takamagahara (Yes it's spelled like that) just observed them and searched for a way to inherit the azure so it could have the same powers of Amaterasu.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Wasn't it explicity said that Takamahahara was responsible for the time loop?
VibraGenesis Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Wasn't it explicity said that Takamahahara was responsible for the time loop? I thought Nu jumping into the Cauldron with Rags was the cause of the time loops...
mAc Chaos Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Nu and Ragna fuse to become Black Beast and end the world, Taka says "no way" and resets time so the world doesn't get blown up. Actually wait. If they reset time and undo it, then no time loop should have any effect on any other loop since everything gets wiped out the moment Taka decides it isn't good anymore. But I always thought it was a loop because events just ended up going in a circle. Black Beast shows up ~> Jin becomes Hakumen ~> heroes wipe it out ~> Ragna fuses with Nu ~> goes into Cauldron and back in time ~> return to start So every loop leads to the next loop. But if Taka resets things it's not really a loop so much as turning a game off and starting from the first level again. Nothing that happened before would matter or exist. Now I am confused. Edited February 12, 2013 by mAc Chaos
VibraGenesis Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Nu and Ragna fuse to become Black Beast and end the world, Taka says "no way" and resets time so the world doesn't get blown up. Actually wait. If they reset time and undo it, then no time loop should have any effect on any other loop since everything gets wiped out the moment Taka decides it isn't good anymore. But I always thought it was a loop because events just ended up going in a circle. Black Beast shows up ~> Jin becomes Hakumen ~> heroes wipe it out ~> Ragna fuses with Nu ~> goes into Cauldron and back in time ~> return to start So every loop leads to the next loop. But if Taka resets things it's not really a loop so much as turning a game off and starting from the first level again. Nothing that happened before would matter or exist. Now I am confused. So am I. I think it's less of repeating time and more of producing different possibilities (or continuum shifts) within a timeline and effectively producing alternate timelines as a result. Probably just bullshitting though lol EDIT: Why the fuck are we trying to make logic of a fighting game? Fighting game storylines are already convoluted to being with, BlazBlue just happens to be more convoluted than all the others.
Tong Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Nu and Ragna fuse to become Black Beast and end the world, Taka says "no way" and resets time so the world doesn't get blown up. Actually wait. If they reset time and undo it, then no time loop should have any effect on any other loop since everything gets wiped out the moment Taka decides it isn't good anymore. But I always thought it was a loop because events just ended up going in a circle. Black Beast shows up ~> Jin becomes Hakumen ~> heroes wipe it out ~> Ragna fuses with Nu ~> goes into Cauldron and back in time ~> return to start So every loop leads to the next loop. But if Taka resets things it's not really a loop so much as turning a game off and starting from the first level again. Nothing that happened before would matter or exist. Now I am confused. They are observers and the boundary stores past informations. Which is why Haku can cut through dimensions to see other possibilities that shouldn't, theorically, exist in first place.
mAc Chaos Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm going to need some more time to untangle my mind.
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