[CP1.1] Makoto Nanaya's Gameplay Discussion - When's 2.0?

[TD]

The term "fish" is an entire different slang over here in America.

Makoto is fine, I watch her often, I believe a red palette named ryota, and a white palette Mak who is also good (not sure if they're top players). They play some strong fighters including N-O the hime God, Galileo the Litchi God, and Ryo the Relius God, and I've seen Makoto fare decently well. It's still harder for her in neutral and her pressure looks mostly the same as extend. But her combos look like a huge boon. The corner carry and damage being seemingly better than the last iteration helps her get them to the corner for her oki, which still does looks pretty strong like most characters.

She's still going to have her problems but honestly I think she is a decent deal better than extend makoto, who isn't necessarily bad either. I could see people getting tired of doing the same ish in another game when most characters changed in a significant manner. In terms of competitiveness, she could win tournament if someone tried.

[Dreize]

I am kind of re-considering buying CP, mainly because they only made Makoto artificially better. Better wall carry, midscreen damage, OD does something, etc, all that mumbo jumbo. Where's the buffs to her actual moveset? you know, the fun stuff? All I see are nerfs outside of the "good" I mentioned. Useless stargazer? No thanks...

Dora's trolling worked.

People are re-considering buying the game now.

[Yazumatto]

The term "fish" is an entire different slang over here in America.

Makoto is fine, I watch her often, I believe a red palette named ryota, and a white palette Mak who is also good (not sure if they're top players).

If that Ryota is THE Ryota, then he used to be the original Squirrel God. I thought he quit since the last time I saw him play was early this year and he was playing Hazama.

what the fuck

What you see before you is a victim of the Dora mixup.

Ｍａｋｏｔｏ　ｉｓ　ｆｉｓｈ.

Edited September 26, 2013 by Yazumatto

[Teutonicknight]

Dora's trolling worked.

People are re-considering buying the game now.

Nah, I am well aware that Makoto is better, but not in the way that I wanted to see. That, and the game itself looks... kind of boring. Idk if it's worth half my paycheck to get a PS3, on top of CP, just to see my Makoto get slaughtered for another year.

I will be keeping a close eye on CP though. I am hoping for the best.

Edit: I am staying on topic now, but seriously, does the new Stargazer do anything now? Or is it a single-hitting low attack for sure? Or just strict?

Edited September 26, 2013 by Teutonicknight

[TekkamanArk]

Nah, I am well aware that Makoto is better, but not in the way that I wanted to see. That, and the game itself looks... kind of boring. Idk if it's worth half my paycheck to get a PS3, on top of CP, just to see my Makoto get slaughtered for another year.

I will be keeping a close eye on CP though. I am hoping for the best.

Edit: I am staying on topic now, but seriously, does the new Stargazer do anything now? Or is it a single-hitting low attack for sure? Or just strict?

What kind of paycheck do you have that $65 is half of your paycheck? Do you work as a cashier at McDonalds?

[swordsman09]

Edit: I am staying on topic now, but seriously, does the new Stargazer do anything now? Or is it a single-hitting low attack for sure? Or just strict?

I believe it launches higher so you can combo off of it better. I don't know if it's still comboable or not though.

[Teutonicknight]

What kind of paycheck do you have that $65 is half of your paycheck? Do you work as a cashier at McDonalds?

I said on top of a PS3. It'd probably be more appropriate if I said more like a 4th of my check, since the rest goes to bills.

I believe it launches higher so you can combo off of it better. I don't know if it's still comboable or not though.

I'm hoping it can be followed up, I'm sick of all these uncomboable special moves.

Edited September 27, 2013 by Teutonicknight

[HiagoX]

Stargazer can be followed up easier now. You can do either 5CC or 5B > 6A.

[Teutonicknight]

I was thinking for a second they'd be falling too fast for the 5CC, if it still connects, then that's good.

When I saw people not following it up, I started to get a bit worried. So I'm guessing only the timing is a bit awkward with the faster fall animation, right?

[HiagoX]

Its timing is okay. I didn't have any problems getting used to it.

You might be a little surprised at first by how easier it is, though.

[Teutonicknight]

Is the move still the same speed as before? I thought I heard somewhere it's possibly slower, but watching the videos, I can almost swear it's faster, lol.

[Dark Ranger88]

Plus when you Stargazer crouching opponents you don't have to throw in a stupid jab and ruin your proration, just 5C liek in the corner.

By artificially better, do you mean they only made her specials better? Plus I'm gimmicky as hell; I'll probably be using all of her specials on the reg.

[Teutonicknight]

Other way around. By artificially better, I meant her (midscreen) damage was buffed a bit instead of her actual moves/specials and tools. And her OD is okay to say the least, and looks fun, but some other characters have ODs that are beyond retarded, to the point where it won't really matter much.

But at the very least, she is looking better than EX for sure, just not by a super huge margin. I'm still trying to decide if I should get a PS3 just for this though. Is it absolutely for sure a PS3 exclusive?

[Dark Ranger88]

It's out on arcades.

[Kenrou.Horo]

I'm still trying to decide if I should get a PS3 just for this though. Is it absolutely for sure a PS3 exclusive?

Well an xbox version hasn't been announced yet AFAIK. Besides, you can use the PS3 for other exclusives like the Last of Us, God of War, Uncharted, and all that like what I did :B

[Teutonicknight]

Xbox is kind of pissing me off a little anyways (lost count of how many problems really), so I may have more then one reason to switch to PS3.

I think I remember the PS3 controller being more FG friendly as well.

[Kenrou.Horo]

Also, free online :D

And I think whether you'd like the DS3 or Xbox controller more depends on if you do rotations more or dash inputs more. Busters, 720's, and most DDs are so much easier on xbox, while Bang's IAD combos are easier on DS3. I can imagine Ragna and Jin combos being easier on DS3 as well.

Games with double diagonals like DOA also suck on DS3 :V

[swordsman09]

Or you can be like me and buy an arcade stick.

Honestly though, the game will be fine with just a PS3 controller. Only real problem is different joystick placements but that doesn't really affect your gameplay or anything.

[Kenrou.Horo]

Or you can be like me and buy an arcade stick.

Eventually. :D

[Teutonicknight]

I have an arcade stick, but I only use it locally. Screw using those things online, it doesn't listen to me. (lol...)

Different analog stick placement is not a problem at all, I'm used to PS2 controllers, and they are pretty much the same exact thing.

And I have some experience using PS3 controllers for BB, and they work good with Makoto for me in my experience.

But before I go off topic yet again, did I hear this correctly? Makoto's 2b was buffed? I might have commented on it before, but I don't think it was confirmed at the time. Anyone know about this?

[swordsman09]

Maybe the problem with your stick is the stick or you're just not use to it. The SE stick SUCKS unless you change the parts.

[Teutonicknight]

I can handle it decently outside of netplay, but online, I'm horrible, even with a regular controller. I don't know how you guys do it, much less with Makoto, who's probably the least lag-friendly character I've ever seen. But then on the other hand, I don't have much experience online, nor have the time to really practice much. You could say I am a bit of a scrub, and you'd be right.

[Yazumatto]

At this particular moment in time, Goro is ranked 6th overall in standings. I don't know when he decided to pry himself away from FF14 but he did and he started slaying a few more people.

http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank

That or some of the 19th dan guys bopped each other down the ranks. That's how he ended up moving around in the rankings the most anyway.

EDIT: actually, that's exactly what happened. N-Otoko dropped from 19th to 17th. Souji dropped to 17th. The only two 19th dan guys are both Jins. Goro just moved up because they got out of line.

In any case this is the highest a squirrel has ever climbed so this is significant.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Yazumatto

[Teutonicknight]

SQUIRRELS WERE MADE TO CLIMB. KEEP IT UP GORO.

[Kenrou.Horo]

I can handle it decently outside of netplay, but online, I'm horrible, even with a regular controller. I don't know how you guys do it, much less with Makoto, who's probably the least lag-friendly character I've ever seen. But then on the other hand, I don't have much experience online, nor have the time to really practice much. You could say I am a bit of a scrub, and you'd be right.

I got used to online timings after a few days. However, I've gotten so used to level 0 timings that it usually takes a few matches to adjust to level 3+/offline timings. >.>

Not sure if I should cheer for Goro if that means that it'll be less likely that ArcSys will buff Makoto :V What's the rank/dan of the next best Makoto?

Edited September 29, 2013 by Kenrou.Horo