Afro-Demon Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3CIXRGqt48&feature=youtu.be pretty good stuff here. Glad someone found out how bs tenerrezza was. Also, was it reported that fuoco's startup can't be interrupted?
Psykotik Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 I believe that fuoco's startup can still be interrupted. In past versions, however, and presumably this one, if you do a move with Ada that would consume the rest of her health, it won't be interrupted as long as Ada's not touched (even if Carl gets hit). That probably explains what happened in that video.
Rishtopher Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 I had a feeling that Aina Ashwin wasn't his real name lol. Considering how there isn't as much footage of Mucchi as there is of other Carl players, you'd be forgiven for not knowing him. Hell, I didn't know about him until the CS2 era and I nearly forgot about him until you brought him up. He is a very good Carl though, I remember that his team made it pretty far in BlueRevo (he entered under Akechi Kokoro in that tournament). IIRC, he was also the one who discovered Carl's ridiculous high damage combos in CS1 and made a few combo videos, most of which are not up anymore unfortunately. #ripjourdal Also, lol 5B anti-air I don't know how I missed this post before, but thanks for the head's up in him lol. I totally hadn't heard his name til this. Do you know if any Carls made it into Arc Revo? I'm not sure what the status is on that. I know that they're still doing qualifiers but I don't know how many people actually have spots and whatnot.
JG Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 I don't know how I missed this post before, but thanks for the head's up in him lol. I totally hadn't heard his name til this. Do you know if any Carls made it into Arc Revo? I'm not sure what the status is on that. I know that they're still doing qualifiers but I don't know how many people actually have spots and whatnot. I suppose that they are still doing qualifiers... Until now he is the only Carl player that manage to qual, i hope to see Acho Carl players enter to the tournament.......... Kyaku!!!! plz come back!!!
Psykotik Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 Kyaku's never putting on those boy shorts again. Chinese steam buns too strong. I don't know how I missed this post before, but thanks for the head's up in him lol. I totally hadn't heard his name til this. Do you know if any Carls made it into Arc Revo? I'm not sure what the status is on that. I know that they're still doing qualifiers but I don't know how many people actually have spots and whatnot. Last night, there was a qualifier where a Carl player, Nagakura, got a silver ticket to qualify for the gold ticket/block finals. Nagakura then lost to Mame's Tao, who ended up winning the block finals. As of now, the character count for the national finals are: - 2 Taos - 1 Hakumen - 1 Mu - 1 Litchi There's still plenty of qualifiers left. I'd be very surprised if no Carls made the national final.
sinder Posted March 3, 2013 Posted March 3, 2013 In past versions, however, and presumably this one, if you do a move with Ada that would consume the rest of her health, it won't be interrupted as long as Ada's not touched (even if Carl gets hit). whoa, how da fuq did this happen??? I've never noticed this before but then again, I must be a boss player to never have Ada dying on me soo much
Rishtopher Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 Kyaku's never putting on those boy shorts again. Chinese steam buns too strong. Last night, there was a qualifier where a Carl player, Nagakura, got a silver ticket to qualify for the gold ticket/block finals. Nagakura then lost to Mame's Tao, who ended up winning the block finals. As of now, the character count for the national finals are: - 2 Taos - 1 Hakumen - 1 Mu - 1 Litchi There's still plenty of qualifiers left. I'd be very surprised if no Carls made the national final. Re: Kyaku, that really sucks. I thought the leave would be temporary. I really hope that at least one Carl and/or Relius makes it in. I wanna watch the tourney (assuming that I can watch the stream) and it would be more interesting if I were watching characters that I liked lol. Thanks for the summary :P I'll probably be asking you for an update again later since I find it hard to keep up when I have other stuff going on.
Michiru Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 Kyaku's never putting on those boy shorts again. Chinese steam buns too strong. Last night, there was a qualifier where a Carl player, Nagakura, got a silver ticket to qualify for the gold ticket/block finals. Nagakura then lost to Mame's Tao, who ended up winning the block finals. As of now, the character count for the national finals are: - 2 Taos - 1 Hakumen - 1 Mu - 1 Litchi There's still plenty of qualifiers left. I'd be very surprised if no Carls made the national final. ....... Needs more Carl
Kujikawa Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 How do you guys feel Carl is doing within CP? The loss of Unblockables is a shame, but do you guys still think he is a strong character if the work is put in? I ask this as I want a friend to begin to learn Carl and understand him ready for CP.
sinder Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 How do you guys feel Carl is doing within CP? The loss of Unblockables is a shame, but do you guys still think he is a strong character if the work is put in? I ask this as I want a friend to begin to learn Carl and understand him ready for CP. he's good, but one thing that Ryuusei (a crazy japanese CS Extend Carl player) said was he has weaknesses that made him less good to answer your question, he is good in CP but he is meter dependent (25% for more than 3k) he is still a strong character in the game though
Psykotik Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 How do you guys feel Carl is doing within CP? The loss of Unblockables is a shame, but do you guys still think he is a strong character if the work is put in? I ask this as I want a friend to begin to learn Carl and understand him ready for CP. He actually still has his UBs, they just can't be looped anymore. Although I don't see Carl making S-tier, he still looks to be strong in CP. If your friend wants to learn Carl, now wouldn't be a bad time to start since most of the Carl experience will transfer easily to CP.
Psykotik Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Apparently he has. Kyaku decided to switch to Litchi now. I saw his tweet an hour ago.
JG Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 How do you guys feel Carl is doing within CP? The loss of Unblockables is a shame, but do you guys still think he is a strong character if the work is put in? I ask this as I want a friend to begin to learn Carl and understand him ready for CP. Actually, he didn't lose unblockables... in fact now is more easy to setup it. What he did loose, is the ability of doing UB loops. Even so, 6C full charged UB is better than his version on EXT. I want to see a Japanese using that UB and follow it with the j.B+3]D[ UB. Is true that Carl is more meter dependent, but im stating to like Carl dmg on CP... It look that his Dmg is better than in ext. You can deal 5.5k after an Ub with CT, in Ext you can do the same but you need 1 full meter, Anima crossup deal the same amount of dmg with just only 25%. Is funny because now, the damaging combos, are very similar to the old j2.C~Allecancel combos... For example, Crush Trigger, full 6C, terenezza, j2.C~Allecancel, 5C, Brio, etc, etc. What i don't like is the lack of nirvana gauge AND! losing the ability to lift the opponent with 6A when they are in standing position..... ah! and Cantabille losing the ability to doing solo combos really hurt a lot. For some reason, i have the idea that his Nirvana gauge is not so much less compared to Ext nirvana gauge... But the fact that you cant do solo combos, make you waste more gauge. Think about it, in ext you can do a combo like this: 5B, Cantabille, 5C, j.B, j.B, j2.C, j.B, j.C, Volante, etc, etc Okey? Well, during that moment you are not using Nirvana... So that mean that you are letting her rest and!! resetting the continuation cost, optimizing a lot the consume of Nirvana gauge... Maybe that is the weakness that Ryuseei is referring. It cant be his dmg, because now Japanese are starting to do the new long combos and his dmg seem to be very high. Still... i miss Kyaku! plz come back to being a Carl player. Has anybody seeing him playing with lichi?
sinder Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) to add some life to the Carl threads... am I the only one whos accidentally attempts CP combos in EX? the other day I did 3C into fermatta talk about a waste <_< OH, and who can forget 4D I dont"t even move after it hits anymore because I keep thinking the opponent will fly upwards, and I 6C instead lol I forget that it smacks the across the screen *sigh*, so ready for CP Carl had to drop EX Edited March 31, 2013 by sinder
Psykotik Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) You'll be better off than those who still have EX combos firmly ingrained into their muscle memory during day 1 :P In other news, Kurushii's mook got delivered to him and he has uploaded the frame data on it. I'll update you guys on some of Carl's changes sometime tomorrow, if not tonight (I'm not allowed to link the scans to the public). Edited April 1, 2013 by Psykotik
Psykotik Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Data changes: 5A went from -3 on block to -1 2A went from -4 on block to -1. Startup went from 6f to 7f 6A went from -9 to -14 (still JC'able on block though) 5B went from -1 to -4 (no longer JC'able on block, beware) Nirvana move startup does not account for activation frames (16f) 6D went from 30f to 31f (negligible) Tenerezza has 31f startup not counting activation startup Brio startup went from 18f to 25f Volante went from 30f to 31f (negligible) Will add more info to the wiki at some point.
sinder Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 Data changes: 5A went from -3 on block to -1 2A went from -4 on block to -1. Startup went from 6f to 7f 6A went from -9 to -14 (still JC'able on block though) 5B went from -1 to -4 (no longer JC'able on block, beware) Nirvana move startup does not account for activation frames (16f) 6D went from 30f to 31f (negligible) Tenerezza has 31f startup not counting activation startup Brio startup went from 18f to 25f Volante went from 30f to 31f (negligible) Will add more info to the wiki at some point. 1) ok 2) ok 3) Funny how I thought this move would be worse, but JC makes it become gdlk for corner blockstrings 4) Clearly they don't want us to use 5B anymore for some reason 5) indifferent 6) can't really give thoughts since I have no experiences with it 7) hmmm, I wanna say that the Tao matches did make brio look like it was slightly slow, but a 7 frame slowdown is hard to see visually 9)ok it seems like every buff was counteracted with some nerf and vice versa can't really complain much because of that thoughts??????????????????
Psykotik Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 They didn't do anything to the startup of 5B (9f) so it can still be used as our fast but short ranged "poke". It'll still be safe if you cancel into 5C on block and jump/IAD away or whatever. IMO, the changes in Carl's frame data aren't extreme to the point where this new found knowledge will change the way anyone will play Carl. 5A/2A's increased blockstun is kinda nice though. Keep in mind that I'm only reporting the numbers; there are some notes in the frame data that I can't read due to my inability to understand Japanese.
sinder Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) La Terreza Vortex [La terreza>vivace>5A (2x) or 5A>2A mixup>Alle-can-Terreza>Vivace] x Infinity this looks like one of the best Carl gimmicks I've seen so far (Ito did this on otoko and it was pretty nasty) That move is too OP, old Cantabile would of made Carl more of a threat than a good Tao btw, I have a hunch that the vortex is dp safe, and you can probably improvise some anti-air tech as well /discuss Edited April 8, 2013 by sinder
Rishtopher Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 La Terreza Vortex [La terreza>vivace>5A (2x) or 5A>2A mixup>Alle-can-Terreza>Vivace] x Infinity this looks like one of the best Carl gimmicks I've seen so far (Ito did this on otoko and it was pretty nasty) *Tenerezza :P Do you have a link to this Ito vid? I don't remember seeing anything like that before.
Psykotik Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) *Tenerezza :P Do you have a link to this Ito vid? I don't remember seeing anything like that before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyXcDDXrKFw&feature=youtube_gdata_player For anyone who cares, Carl's frame data has been translated by KayEff. Keep in mind that there may be some mistakes in the mook. Edited April 11, 2013 by Psykotik
JG Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 Mmmm... let see, now our continuation cost is only 10%, way less than EXT. BUT we consume more gauge using Nirvana. For example 2]D[ in EXT have 720 usage cost and now is CP is 1.000. That and the lack of solo combos is the reason why our gauge seem to be shorter, in fact we have the same amount of Nirvana gauge in comparison to EXT, 10.000 point. In term of dmg, it seem that 2]D[ and 8]D[ were nerfed quite a bit... now deal less dmg and have worse proration. 6C lv2 and lv3 have 110% bonus proration! that is nice!! and fuuoco have wall bounce if all hit connect, kinda weeird... but maybe will have his uses. Volante dmg buffed! yay!!!
Psykotik Posted April 10, 2013 Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) It seems that our most damaging midscreen combo path atm is [stuff...], 5C, 623D, sj.B, JC, j.B, j.C, 421D, ender. You can get at least meterless 3.5k from several different starters w/that path so even without 2D and 8D, we can still do damaging combos. Charged 6C having bonus proration is going to lead into hilarious damage. Hopefully the 623C, RC, fuoco, 6C UB setup still works in CP. On another note, I'm going to be pretty busy within these next two weeks so the updates in the video thread might be a bit slow for a while. Although you guys have absolutely no obligation to do so, I'll be very grateful towards anyone who helps with the video thread :3 Edited April 10, 2013 by Psykotik
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