Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 So I've finally got my debunked capture card working again, and I'd like to start streaming BB/P4 stuff at some point. I'd just like some experienced input from our streamers on the best ways to go about doing this. I'm using an AverMedia card that captures HDMI directly, or just about anything else through an adapter. (I just capture HDMI directly for the 360/PS3) So what I'd like to ask is: 1. What site do you like to use best? I've seen Twitch.tv used a lot. 2. What settings do you find most optimal for streaming? (quality vs. bandwidth) 3. What kind of upload speeds do you recommend as a minimum for acceptable-quality streaming? (This is the most relevant thread I could think of because I hope to offer streaming services for stuff like online ranbats and such in the future, if I'm available)
Jyosua Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 You can stream on anything 1.5 Mbps or higher, but generally about 2Mbps is best. Twitch is probably the only real viable option right now, so I'd stick with them. I use quality of 10 with a bitrate of 3000kbps, 6000kbps buffer. In general you want to double your bitrate for the buffer. I also have a godlike connection, so I can get away with such good quality. :P
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 26, 2013 Author Posted January 26, 2013 You can stream on anything 1.5 Mbps or higher, but generally about 2Mbps is best. Twitch is probably the only real viable option right now, so I'd stick with them. I use quality of 10 with a bitrate of 3000kbps, 6000kbps buffer. In general you want to double your bitrate for the buffer. I also have a godlike connection, so I can get away with such good quality. :P I get roughly 6 Mbps upload, hopefully that's enough for something good. Thanks for the bitrate numbers, that's something I really wanted to know
Tiger Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 I currently have a Roxio HD pro capture card that's been doing me justice with it's HDMI port, I recommond twitch TV because it's popular though depending on your net you may want to use livestream (since it sometimes is laggy though I barely experience with it) Because my Roxio is lame and they're still working on it, I use the built in program for streaming though I heard Xsplit is a good program to use.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 26, 2013 Author Posted January 26, 2013 I had success using Xsplit, despite it's rather abysmal interface. I now need a HDMI splitter though if I want to be able to play and stream at the same time. Does anyone have one they can recommend me? I've learned my lesson buying adapters I hope will just work properly x_x
Star-Demon Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 1. What site do you like to use best? I've seen Twitch.tv used a lot. Twitch. 2. What settings do you find most optimal for streaming? (quality vs. bandwidth) I always have to have great audio quality. As devices and bandwidth improves so does picture quality. If audio is bad that will grind my ass the most. 3. What kind of upload speeds do you recommend as a minimum for acceptable-quality streaming? Depends on your ISP. I take average speed and use that.
Bibiquadium Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 Just throwing this out here, HDMI is a bitch, you can't stream via hdmi on your PS3 without a HDFury2 and you gotta make sure that you split the signal before your recording device in order to avoid pointless input lag, so you'd need a powered HDMI splitter, same for XBOX except for the HDFury part since it doesn't have HDCP protection on their console.
Jyosua Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) You can get cost-effective powered splitters from Monoprice. Just make sure to split before the recording device, as Bibiquadium says. Also, there are now alternatives to the HDFury2, although the quality may suffer a tinge. Oh also, you said you have 6Mbps upstream? If you're going to stream netplay, I'd try sticking around 2500 kbps bitrate (5000 buffer), see how that works, if you notice any lag, decrease it a bit. Computer background processes, PSN, and various other things can dick you over if you don't have enough leeway in your upload bandwidth. It's a bit of a science experiment. If you don't have any issues, increase it until you do, then decrease it again. XD Edited January 26, 2013 by Jyosua
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 26, 2013 Author Posted January 26, 2013 Just throwing this out here, HDMI is a bitch, you can't stream via hdmi on your PS3 without a HDFury2. Does this problem exist for the Component AV on the PS3? Because I can record that as well.
Bibiquadium Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 It's only through HDMI but you still gotta split your component before the card to reduce input lag, and going from Analog(Component Cables) to Digital (HDMI) will also create input lag, so you must stick to the same path that you start with.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 26, 2013 Author Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) It's only through HDMI but you still gotta split your component before the card to reduce input lag, and going from Analog(Component Cables) to Digital (HDMI) will also create input lag, so you must stick to the same path that you start with. Well I'd be doing this: Component Split -> Component 1 straight into TV (where I will actually play) Component 2 into adapter into Capture Card (will have plenty of input lag, but who cares because I won't be playing on that screen) Right now my only concern is that whatever splitter I buy may introduce bad input lag. I know it really shouldn't make a diff but I have bad experience with buying shady adapters for things. (I bought a 360/PS3 controller adapter that's pretty much useless for FG because it has an input repetition problem) EDIT: Okay so I definitely want to up the audio quality, I just listened to some recordings and there's some bad deterioration when it gets complicated. I'm only using the free version of XSplit right now, so I dunno what the highest quality audio you can get is. p.s. I'm assuming I want powered splitters, and "passive" ones are a bad idea. Am I correct? Edited January 26, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
Bibiquadium Posted January 26, 2013 Posted January 26, 2013 You get better audio codects with a XSplit license, and a powered splitter should not be much of an issue for input lag but I never tried with component so I cannot tell for sure. Also, you can try streaming with Adobe Live Media Encoder to stream until you feel like investing on a license.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 I did try ALME but for some reason its not detecting my input properly like Xsplit does. I'll tinker with it later, though. The license for Xsplit seems to be a monthly deal and there's no way I'm up for that at the moment lol.
KayEff Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 if you don't want to use either ALME or XSplit, Open Broadcaster Software's a really good alternative. it's not as taxing as xsplit, and it's also free to download as well. the only downside to it is that it's not as free-range as xsplit, but in terms of streaming quality it's not much different. a lot of speedrunners are starting to use OBS and i've only been hearing positive feedback about it. also i wanna ask: what video capture software are you using?
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 As far as "video capture software" goes, it seems that Xsplit is just taking control my device (Aver HD Capture Card). The software that accompanies the capture card is just the generic Aver Media Center thing. I don't know if manipulating the settings in the Media Center program actually affects what Xsplit does. I'm open to any recommendations for a good VC program at present. I've got no particular attachment to the default Media Center program.
KayEff Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 for reference, xsplit isn't video capture software, but rather streaming software. for video capturing, i suggest you mess around with amarectv. i haven't delved much into it myself since i don't have enough money to get a good console setup going, but i know a lot of people who are using it, and to good results.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 for reference, xsplit isn't video capture software, but rather streaming software. for video capturing, i suggest you mess around with amarectv. i haven't delved much into it myself since i don't have enough money to get a good console setup going, but i know a lot of people who are using it, and to good results. This is the quality I get from recording video with the MC program (up to 1080p, but I did 720p because it's just unnecessary for a single match vid imo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0La3Q-wQsA Obviously this isn't maximum quality I can get because that would be ridiculous and unnecessary. I'm most interested in streaming Live though, so I don't know how I'd get this level of quality on a stream.
Bibiquadium Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 I personaly use Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 to garnish my YouTube channel.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 I personaly use Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 to garnish my YouTube channel. Is Premiere capable of streaming? I have the entire CS6 suite via Creative Cloud membership. I've only used Premiere for creating and editing videos though, never knew it had any streaming functionality.
Bibiquadium Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Nope but we had this Video Recording Software discussion so I throwed that in but I've only streamed with ALME and XSplit
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 Nope but we had this Video Recording Software discussion so I throwed that in but I've only streamed with ALME and XSplit I never even thought about using Premiere for recording lol. I just used it for editing/composition. I'll have to give this a try, it's probably significantly better than the stupid default Aver program.
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