Guilty Gear Stories (spoilers abound!)

[Silmerion]

I think Raven is Axl. If he wasn't why would Axl go through time slips? The theory is that two exact [insert whatever] cannot occupy the same space.

If Raven wasn't Axl then what would trigger the time slips? Nothing.

And I must admit, it's good to have the story discussion going on again.

This possibility excites me. I'd always figured Axl to be a side character, none too important to the continuity of the series. Of course, this has no effect on whether I play him or not--to be sure, GG has plenty of side characters--but it is, in a wierd sort of way, disappointing. But if it is indeed true that Axl is Raven, then he could be considered one of the MOST important characters to the story, right up there with Sol, Ky, Dizzy, and I-No.

[Blade]

Side note: I love how Axl refers to Sol as "Chief Sol." I wonder why....

The actual term he uses is "Danna" it's kindof a short honorific, usually used for highly respected tough guys (Yakuza/Biker term I guess).

"Oi Danna, hisashiburi!"

"Hey Chief, it's been a while!"

@Hatred Edge: The actual term you referred to is Pauli's Exclusion Principle, dunno if that applies to the space-time continuum theories but...

[Hatred Edge]

Nice find Blade.... I haven't played the XX story mode in quite some time but I remember something like That Man saying that everyone is important(i.e. plays a role in the story). Which was in response to I-no goign around turning the cast against each other. A few things that have bugged me for a while: -Sol's Dragon Install. How did he switch it from an attack to a powerup. I have this theory that it's kinda like Kaioken that Goku uses. More importantly, how does the Fuuenken affect DI. It only boosts fire magic. Did Sol after he acquired Fuuenken did some specialized DI training? -Testament being a Gear. So apparently his mind is so strong that he didn't become consumed by his Gear nature whereas Sol wears a supression device. Does that mean Testament is mentally stronger than Sol? -Millia's sacrifice for her powers... I dunno why but I suspect it's childbirth. -Zappa's summons. Are they from S-ko or are they various actual summons that cursed him like S-ko did? -I always wanted to know if Justice used her OMEGA-PROTON cannon on civilians.

[Sunnyday]

A few things that have bugged me for a while:

-Sol's Dragon Install. How did he switch it from an attack to a powerup. I have this theory that it's kinda like Kaioken that Goku uses. More importantly, how does the Fuuenken affect DI. It only boosts fire magic. Did Sol after he acquired Fuuenken did some specialized DI training?

-Testament being a Gear. So apparently his mind is so strong that he didn't become consumed by his Gear nature whereas Sol wears a supression device. Does that mean Testament is mentally stronger than Sol?

-Millia's sacrifice for her powers... I dunno why but I suspect it's childbirth.

-Zappa's summons. Are they from S-ko or are they various actual summons that cursed him like S-ko did?

-I always wanted to know if Justice used her OMEGA-PROTON cannon on civilians.

those things have bugged me as well.

i think i have a few things to note:

about testament: i don't think he is mentally stronger than Sol, it is just that Sol hates to succeend himself . there is something about sol's own powers that sol doesn't like.

But what is it.. i don't know..

about Millia: i also tend to think that millia sacrifice her childbirth for her powers. but it is just a hunch, nothing more..

[Blade]

Hmmm...let's see here: About Dragon Install, not much has been said except that it relates to his Limiter. From what I've read so far regarding this, it works in Levels, but not quite the same as Kaoiken does. Let me explain: Dragon Install: Original GG Version-- Similar to Flame Distortion, except the Tension aspects...about the same as 50% Gain. Dragon Install: Normal-- Lasts about 8 Seconds, increases speed/powers up moves/changes move properties to somewhat lighter hits, yet maintains damage output/slightly increases Tension by an additional 50%. Ends in Faint, Puts you in high Re-Faint state/risks Negative Penalty (-20% Tension Gain for a certain period). (In a nutshell sacrifices a little Tension/Time Risk for Power/Speed). Dragon Install: Low Health-- Lasts about 11 Seconds, similar to above only lasts longer. Dragon Install: Flame Distortion-- Grants Full Tension/Tension Recharge/Level 3 Charge/Level 3 Recharge for 8 Seconds, Speed Increase, Properties of moves change accordingly based on Level. Dragon Install: Second-- Additional Input, Drains Health 2x faster than IK Mode without Tension, places Sol in a state of Permanent Negative Penalty (i.e. NO Tension Gain whatsoever), however Faint Limit is never reached so Speed/Move properties/Damage output never run out. (Nutshell: Sacrifice Health/Full Tension/Input/Startup for Infinite Use of Moves) Dragon Install: Instant Kill Requires Level 3 Charge/Full Tension or simply Full Tension but acts as a quick burst series of precise inputs, results in Broken Limiter/Extended Faint if anything is missed. Dragon Install: Third ?????? Dragon Install: Fourth-- This is only mentioned during the storyline of GG2 Overture, but it is the DI that causes Sol to achieve his Gear Form, he is apparently given flaming wings (which enable short bursts of flight), the ability to fire off long-range Gunflame shots like a cannon which apparently leave a Gunblaze-like trail of flame. It is mentioned that because Sol is able to achieve this form that the Limiter is beginning to erode (said by Raven to That Man). It's also said that once the Limiter finally ends up being broken beyond repair, that is when Sol will seek out That Man and put and end to everything (in his non-human form). So, to sum up, maintaining Sol's human form requires energy and strain, and if he uses too much of his "Gear" power, he risks breaking the Limiter which is used to maintain his human form. Normal Dragon Install grants him short bursts of speed/power while slowly building his Tension, resulting in a wave of nausea afterwards and rapid loss of energy...Permanent Dragon Install grants him the same in exchange for greatly damaging his body in exchange, as well as depleting his Tension completely to near-nothing, similar to a missed IK. Nothing about DI: Fourth is known as of yet....it does burn through his clothes however. Regarding the difference in combat style of Dragon Install, I believe it has more to do with Fireseal than anything else. Without Fireseal, Sol has to focus and charge up his powers in order to use them properly, Fireseal enables a constant stream of fire magic for him, and as a result he no longer needs to charge as much if at all. (This also explains his slightly lazier fighting style). Dragon Install no longer needs to act in short bursts, in other words, he doesn't need to fully charge up in order to use it, also, he does not need to "hit" the opponent to initiate it, it can be done from anywhere as long as he has the Fireseal with him. Although it still puts the 8-11 second strain on him afterwards, it isn't as bad if he misses...that is to say, DI: Instant Kill is a lot riskier than DI: Normal.

[Silmerion]

Very thorough response, Blade. Good job.

-Testament being a Gear. So apparently his mind is so strong that he didn't become consumed by his Gear nature whereas Sol wears a supression device. Does that mean Testament is mentally stronger than Sol?

-Millia's sacrifice for her powers... I dunno why but I suspect it's childbirth.

-Zappa's summons. Are they from S-ko or are they various actual summons that cursed him like S-ko did?

Testament vs. Sol: I suspect that it has little to do with mental strength. Keep in mind that Sol is the Prototype, which means he may not have been 'perfect.' Also, keep in mind that Testament and Sol were created at vastly different times, and any number of upgrades to the Gear design could have been made between Sol's and Testament's...er...Gearification.

Millia: Where in the world did you get THAT from?!?

Zappa: My understanding is that S-Ko and the rest of Zappa's ghosts are separate entities; S-Ko just happens to be the most prominent.

[Blade]

Regarding Millia:

Her's is the 7th Forbidden Magic, while Zato-1's Kinjuu (Forbidden Shadow Beast) is the 6th. PWAB admitted to giving Eddie to Zato, so I think it's safe to assume PWAB also gave Angra to Millia. Angra Mainyu refers to Zoroastrianism and their "destructive/inhibitive" dark god. Angra also relates to Evil Thinking...perhaps Eddie's "Black in Mind" isn't too far off. But you may be right about what it is Millia sacrificed.

Two things I would interject as well, with regards to forbidden magics, they all seem to be related to anti-gear kinjuu while being derived from gear technology. Also that numbers seem to have a more dramatic effect on the person casting the magic. That is to say, if Zato lost his sight on the 6th Forbidden magic, what does someone lose on the 5th? Probably something far worse.

It should also be noted that Slayer makes a point of mocking Venom for not being a "vessel" for kinjuu. Venom responds to this with little concern, but it may say something about Slayer's respect for other assassins who achieved similar ranks via forbidden magics.

Regarding Testament: His hatred towards humans suggests he was forcibly converted, similar to Sol's experience, but also he seems to retain much of his memory of his adopted father Kliff. Simultaneously, he was the one who released Justice from her dimensional prison, and yet she claims she did not have complete control over him. It's also possible that PWAB is not capable of creating Gears the same way (or as successfully as) THAT MAN was able to, since much of the information/methods HE used are missing/lost/considered Black Tech by now.

Regarding Zappa: Not much can be said except that his profile describes him as being possessed by "Legion". Now, if you know Biblical Folklore, it is said in the Bible that a man was possessed by over a hundred spirits and that Jesus Christ was able to cast them into a group of nearby pigs, which promptly ran off a cliff into the sea. Whether this is true or not or whether it's related or not is uncertain, that's just what I know. In the movie The Exorcist, the girl was possessed by several variations of the same demon...basically a demon posing as many demons...so in either case, it can be confusing. As for whether or not S-ko IS Sadako Yamamura...well...you tell ME.

Regarding Justice: Probably...hence why the Nation of Japan no longer EXISTS, as well as the Capital of Rome.

[Dizzy Kiske]

does anyone have translations for AC+ story modes??

[Silmerion]

Regarding Millia:

Her's is the 7th Forbidden Magic, while Zato-1's Kinjuu (Forbidden Shadow Beast) is the 6th. PWAB admitted to giving Eddie to Zato, so I think it's safe to assume PWAB also gave Angra to Millia. Angra Mainyu refers to Zoroastrianism and their "destructive/inhibitive" dark god. Angra also relates to Evil Thinking...perhaps Eddie's "Black in Mind" isn't too far off. But you may be right about what it is Millia sacrificed.

Eheh..for whatever reason, when Hatred Edge said 'childbirth,' I heard 'she gave up a child.' Silly me! Now I understand. -_-;;

Regarding Zappa: Not much can be said except that his profile describes him as being possessed by "Legion". Now, if you know Biblical Folklore, it is said in the Bible that a man was possessed by over a hundred spirits and that Jesus Christ was able to cast them into a group of nearby pigs, which promptly ran off a cliff into the sea. Whether this is true or not or whether it's related or not is uncertain, that's just what I know. In the movie The Exorcist, the girl was possessed by several variations of the same demon...basically a demon posing as many demons...so in either case, it can be confusing. As for whether or not S-ko IS Sadako Yamamura...well...you tell ME.

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Zappa is haunted by 4chan members?

[Blade]

Considering half of what Zappa babbles about in the translations. YES. >_< @Dizzy Kiske: I wrote a summary of them a while back, though I have no plans to write translations for them, since I'm busy with other stuff.

[Hatred Edge]

Hmmm...let's see here:

About Dragon Install, not much has been said except that it relates to his Limiter. From what I've read so far regarding this, it works in Levels, but not quite the same as Kaoiken does. Let me explain:

Dragon Install: Original GG Version--

Similar to Flame Distortion, except the Tension aspects...about the same as 50% Gain.

Dragon Install: Normal--

Lasts about 8 Seconds, increases speed/powers up moves/changes move properties to somewhat lighter hits, yet maintains damage output/slightly increases Tension by an additional 50%. Ends in Faint, Puts you in high Re-Faint state/risks Negative Penalty (-20% Tension Gain for a certain period).

(In a nutshell sacrifices a little Tension/Time Risk for Power/Speed).

Dragon Install: Low Health--

Lasts about 11 Seconds, similar to above only lasts longer.

Dragon Install: Flame Distortion--

Grants Full Tension/Tension Recharge/Level 3 Charge/Level 3 Recharge for 8 Seconds, Speed Increase, Properties of moves change accordingly based on Level.

Dragon Install: Second--

Additional Input, Drains Health 2x faster than IK Mode without Tension, places Sol in a state of Permanent Negative Penalty (i.e. NO Tension Gain whatsoever), however Faint Limit is never reached so Speed/Move properties/Damage output never run out.

(Nutshell: Sacrifice Health/Full Tension/Input/Startup for Infinite Use of Moves)

Dragon Install: Instant Kill

Requires Level 3 Charge/Full Tension or simply Full Tension but acts as a quick burst series of precise inputs, results in Broken Limiter/Extended Faint if anything is missed.

Dragon Install: Third

??????

Dragon Install: Fourth--

This is only mentioned during the storyline of GG2 Overture, but it is the DI that causes Sol to achieve his Gear Form, he is apparently given flaming wings (which enable short bursts of flight), the ability to fire off long-range Gunflame shots like a cannon which apparently leave a Gunblaze-like trail of flame. It is mentioned that because Sol is able to achieve this form that the Limiter is beginning to erode (said by Raven to That Man). It's also said that once the Limiter finally ends up being broken beyond repair, that is when Sol will seek out That Man and put and end to everything (in his non-human form).

So, to sum up, maintaining Sol's human form requires energy and strain, and if he uses too much of his "Gear" power, he risks breaking the Limiter which is used to maintain his human form. Normal Dragon Install grants him short bursts of speed/power while slowly building his Tension, resulting in a wave of nausea afterwards and rapid loss of energy...Permanent Dragon Install grants him the same in exchange for greatly damaging his body in exchange, as well as depleting his Tension completely to near-nothing, similar to a missed IK. Nothing about DI: Fourth is known as of yet....it does burn through his clothes however.

Regarding the difference in combat style of Dragon Install, I believe it has more to do with Fireseal than anything else. Without Fireseal, Sol has to focus and charge up his powers in order to use them properly, Fireseal enables a constant stream of fire magic for him, and as a result he no longer needs to charge as much if at all. (This also explains his slightly lazier fighting style). Dragon Install no longer needs to act in short bursts, in other words, he doesn't need to fully charge up in order to use it, also, he does not need to "hit" the opponent to initiate it, it can be done from anywhere as long as he has the Fireseal with him. Although it still puts the 8-11 second strain on him afterwards, it isn't as bad if he misses...that is to say, DI: Instant Kill is a lot riskier than DI: Normal.

Wow Blade. A lot of DI info.

[Silmerion]

Considering half of what Zappa babbles about in the translations. YES. >_<

...I must check your quote database.

[Hecatom]

Regarding Zappa: Not much can be said except that his profile describes him as being possessed by "Legion". Now, if you know Biblical Folklore, it is said in the Bible that a man was possessed by over a hundred spirits and that Jesus Christ was able to cast them into a group of nearby pigs, which promptly ran off a cliff into the sea. Whether this is true or not or whether it's related or not is uncertain, that's just what I know. In the movie The Exorcist, the girl was possessed by several variations of the same demon...basically a demon posing as many demons...so in either case, it can be confusing. As for whether or not S-ko IS Sadako Yamamura...well...you tell ME.

Regarding Justice: Probably...hence why the Nation of Japan no longer EXISTS, as well as the Capital of Rome.

good post, i only want to add a little something, legion was the name of the possesed person in the bible, it wasnt the name of the demon, this is a common mistake of the people

[Sunnyday]

Regarding Justice: Probably...hence why the Nation of Japan no longer EXISTS, as well as the Capital of Rome.

Someone i knew is a lillte upset by this piece of story.

i once told him the story about guilty gear, and about what happen to japan. And he reply like:

*pfff. so typcial japanese, in almost every japanese story they put themself as the victims of some crude fate, it is hardy any original TBH *

after i heard that i was like: WTF?

[Blade]

*double checks* Hmmm....what translation of the Bible did you hear that one from?

[Wendy]

Wow Blade. A lot of DI info.

thanks blade for the DI info =3

[Zazz]

*double checks*

Hmmm....what translation of the Bible did you hear that one from?

i'm pretty sure that the name "Legion" refers to the great number of demons inside that one person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_%28demon%29

of course Legion has popped up in all sorts of games already, most famously as ball of bodies in Castlevania

[Silmerion]

i'm pretty sure that the name "Legion" refers to the great number of demons inside that one person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_%28demon%29

of course Legion has popped up in all sorts of games already, most famously as ball of bodies in Castlevania

No.

You're wrong.

Anonymous are Legion.

[YanisDLooper]

Yes. I agree. The internet is possessed.

[Sunnyday]

Yes.

I agree.

The internet is possessed.

[Yggdrasill]

To be honest, I always thought that the Ghosts have some kind of reflection on what is going on in his head or something, with the exception of S-ko. I only thought this because the triplet ghosts reminded me of Faust and seeing as he is constantly asking about Faust..Well, you get it.

I wrote a summary of them a while back, though I have no plans to write translations for them, since I'm busy with other stuff.

I am guessing these summaries are in the AC+ thread? Can you tell me what page?

[Hecatom]

*double checks*

Hmmm....what translation of the Bible did you hear that one from?

the original one, there is a lot of misreads, and errors in the translations that we use, its like the common mistake of thinking that lucifer (luzbel) is the devil, and worst thinking that lucifer is a demon, he is a fallen angel, a seraphine totally different of a demon, or thinking that the devil is a demon, or a representation of the evil, he is a special type of angel named Diabel, a seraphine, his duty is see upon us, the name literally means the eyes of god

i'm pretty sure that the name "Legion" refers to the great number of demons inside that one person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_%28demon%29

of course Legion has popped up in all sorts of games already, most famously as ball of bodies in Castlevania

im totally sure about it, legion is the name of the mad man, i actually have around 18,000 demons names in the database, i study demonology and teology for fun (but dont think on me as a freak please )

Someone i knew is a lillte upset by this piece of story.

i once told him the story about guilty gear, and about what happen to japan. And he reply like:

*pfff. so typcial japanese, in almost every japanese story they put themself as the victims of some crude fate, it is hardy any original TBH *

after i heard that i was like: WTF?

in part its true, you only need to see how in almost every anime japan is taked by demons aliens and wahtever you want, but its not different about the comic industry in usa or other countries, every author will use his own country (almost everyone) for the background of his story, and all of us need to remember what happened in the WW2 to the japanese, so is a cultural thing too

[Hatred Edge]

originally posted in Hecatom's sig:

Its not Rape, it's Surprise sex

Dude, you're competely normal.

Afterall some people call me either Death or Hades.

[Sunnyday]

the original one, there is a lot of misreads, and errors in the translations that we use, its like the common mistake of thinking that lucifer (luzbel) is the devil, and worst thinking that lucifer is a demon, he is a fallen angel, a seraphine totally different of a demon, or thinking that the devil is a demon, or a representation of the evil, he is a special type of angel named Diabel, a seraphine, his duty is see upon us, the name literally means the eyes of god

I did heard stories about lucifer , that he was a fallen angel, now you confrim it , thanks.

Let me also note a other misunderstanding. not sure if it is complety correct so please correct me if I'm wrong.

did you guys remenber how the drawings of satan that where maked in the beinging of the medievil ages?

satan being drawed as someone with a goats head , human thoso , and goat legs:

well those drawings are wrong, because those drawings represent *the hunter* in wicca believes. however , poeple put the name satan instead, because if i read this right, one of the first popes want to put all the faiths togheter into one big faith that we now know today. however wicca was a completey diffent believe that also had very diffent roots aswell. so some poeple who try to promote christanny decide to mark wicca as *demotic*

i also read there is a other misunderstanding about *witch* burning. most poeple think that only higher rank poeple demanded witchens to be burned. but 95% of the time it was the common folk (farmers,workers etc) who demanded someone to be burned. the beginning of the medival ages was marked with one black plage after the other, poeple where despart and always look for ways to punish someone. everyone that look diffent or thinked diffenty was marked a *witch*, and was burned. also, the story about a *witch* being burned alive did only happen once in human history ( jeane 'arc ). Most of the time poeple got killed first before the fire was even put on.

Now i put those storys on, i being to wonder.. how goes the sociaal life look like in the Guilty gear world? did poeple once embrace the age of magic only to fall back to medievil mentalily and mindless witch hunting after the cruscades?

I once done story mode with johnny and may on GGXX reload. and i notice about may saying towards bridget about Johnny *having hundreds on his back *

it suggerts that there is a awfull lot of bouty/witch hunting going on in the guilty gear world.

anyone who can confrim this?

im totally sure about it, legion is the name of the mad man, i actually have around 18,000 demons names in the database, i study demonology and teology for fun (but dont think on me as a freak please )

demonology? nah, there is nothing wrong with that.

i'm a history freak TBH and i love telling stories. so i don't mind it anyway.

in part its true, you only need to see how in almost every anime japan is taked by demons aliens and wahtever you want, but its not different about the comic industry in usa or other countries, every author will use his own country (almost everyone) for the background of his story, and all of us need to remember what happened in the WW2 to the japanese, so is a cultural thing too

yeah you right about that. i guess i sould not have freak out at him when he make that statement

[Hatred Edge]

I truly believe there is a lot of bounty hunting in the GG world. Especially on Gears. Obviously there are only 3 Gears in the game.... I have noticed that what happened with the Gears is very similar to what happened in this world with humans. Gears were never evil. They were supposed to be the next step in the evolution of the human race. Like the X-men story. Justice wasn't evil either. What Justice saw was Gears being treated like trash by the human race. It's the same thing as racism towards asians, hispanic, indian, africans, etc. And it's the same thing as the witch hunts. People place blame on something and it's common for people regardless of generation to view others and a plague and/or inferior to themselves. People treating other people harshing is always a part of humanity. The horror movies tend to draw things from real life that actually happened. Makes me wonder how Ishiwatari views the world. The phrase that That Man said to I-no:"I want Gears to be more than Gears and man to be more than man."