Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[BladeOfJustice7]

Phantom comes and teleports away Hakumen.

To where and why? Is she still a villain?

It cuts to Kagura talking about the situation of the world and Tsubaki visiting bedridden Noel and Jin. Rachel tells Tsubaki that tsubaki or Jin must kill ragna before he dies and if they are unable Tsubaki must use Immortal breaker on Rachel.

Lol, looks like Hakumen was right about killing Ragna in the end. When the story ends, is he sitll under the control of Izanami?

[kylehyde]

Lol, looks like Hakumen was right about killing Ragna in the end. When the story ends, is he sitll under the control of Izanami?

I still wonder why Rachel needs to die as well. And I don't buy that it's because she loves him or whatever. There is a reason that only she knows.

[Luminos564]

Well, he wants to protect things now. A far cry from simply being motivated by being pissed off.

Now? He never seemed to be unwilling to protect other people before. He saved Noel from being made into a pin cushion by Nu-13 when he had absolutely no reason to. He does the same by generally avoiding crowds considering his Azure Grimmoire sucks the life out of living beings in order to function. Or was it that you were just referring to the fact that he's not so trigger happy to use it now?

Though I will admit he's been steadily improving on his temperament. Less pissed off, more tranquil fury. Which is why him going berserk and hurting both Jin and Noel against his will is such a massive sucker punch to his motivations.

[Zedar90]

To where and why? Is she still a villain?

Lol, looks like Hakumen was right about killing Ragna in the end. When the story ends, is he sitll under the control of Izanami?

Its hard to say if Nine is a villain or not. Her line to Jubei was "Its been a while, dear(anata). However Good bye. Die."

Ragna was never under control of Izanami, or at least its unclear if he was, she only made him go berserk. His whereabouts is unknown in the epilouge.

I still wonder why Rachel needs to die as well. And I don't buy that it's because she loves him or whatever. There is a reason that only she knows.

It could be because of Tsukiyomi. Ragna has something inside of him and its not good if it gets released

[BlackYakuzu94]

Now? He never seemed to be unwilling to protect other people before. He saved Noel from being made into a pin cushion by Nu-13 when he had absolutely no reason to. He does the same by generally avoiding crowds considering his Azure Grimmoire sucks the life out of living beings in order to function. Or was it that you were just referring to the fact that he's not so trigger happy to use it now?

Though I will admit he's been steadily improving on his temperament. Less pissed off, more tranquil fury. Which is why him going berserk and hurting both Jin and Noel against his will is such a massive sucker punch to his motivations.

I was referring to now,

[kylehyde]

It could be because of Tsukiyomi. Ragna has something inside of him and its not good if it gets released

What does the Tsukiyomi have to do with Ragna? And what is inside of him that isn't good? Are you talking about the Black Beast?

[Luminos564]

It could be because of Tsukiyomi. Ragna has something inside of him and its not good if it gets released

If you are able, could you elaborate a bit more?

[Zedar90]

What does the Tsukiyomi have to do with Ragna? And what is inside of him that isn't good? Are you talking about the Black Beast?

I checked what Rachel said at the end.

Ragna has a "Evil" inside of him that is so evil that it could "consume the entire world". Its currently trying to kill ragna by eating him.

By killing Rachel is the only way to completely erase the evil.

[Luminos564]

I checked what Rachel said at the end.

Ragna has a "Evil" inside of him that is so evil that it could "consume the entire world". Its currently trying to kill ragna by eating him.

By killing Rachel is the only way to completely erase the evil.

*Slow, dramatic clap*.

Well Mori has done it. He has found a way to make it so that the BB universe fucks Ragna up so horribly, that no good can ever come to him. The man simply cannot catch a fucking bre...no scratch that, he can't seem to get one lousy grain of happy going. I mean, there's bad situations and then there's climbing up Shit's Creek without either a paddle or a boat. Goddamn.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Let's all remember that Ragna has a habit of subverting Rachel's expectations; she said he couldn't beat Terumi, and he does that in CS. She says he can't save Noel unless he kills her, he proceeds to save her anyway. Honestly, Ragna has given the middle finger to all of Rachel's predictions. The dude is a fighter.

[Luminos564]

Let's all remember that Ragna has a habit of subverting Rachel's expectations; she said he couldn't beat Terumi, and he does that in CS. She says he can't save Noel unless he kills her, he proceeds to save her anyway. Honestly, Ragna has given the middle finger to all of Rachel's predictions. The dude is a fighter.

I agree. Ragna continuing to push forward when any other person would go "Fuck this noise, I'm outta here" is one of his better qualities as a character.

[kylehyde]

Ragna's good ending is him getting killed so he can finally have some damn peace lol.

Still I'm surprised Rachel has written him out of any hope of survival. This is still the same girl who kept pushing him to "never give up".

Edited October 26, 2013 by kylehyde

[Ehecatl]

Let's all remember that Ragna has a habit of subverting Rachel's expectations; she said he couldn't beat Terumi, and he does that in CS. She says he can't save Noel unless he kills her, he proceeds to save her anyway. Honestly, Ragna has given the middle finger to all of Rachel's predictions. The dude is a fighter.

To be fair, Rachel and Jubei have been for the longest time the only ones who believed in him. She predicts these things but in the end doesn't stop him from completing these tasks and always gives him the chance to prove her wrong. Actually, she's always telling him he can't expressly JUST to make him prove her wrong and gets super disappointed when he really does fail. She says he can't defeat Terumi, but after testing him as she's wont to do, she lets him go because she trusts him to beat the odds. And remember she stacked all her hopes on him throughout Calamity Trigger just waiting for him to succeed, which meant waiting thousands of years, multiple iterations of time loops, and got her more than a little discouraged and frustrated but he did in the end. When confronting Takamagahara, she told them she didn't believe they would ever understand his value. Truthfully, everyone but her saw him as a joke in Continuum Shift.

So it actually surprises me to hear her thinking he can't pull himself back from this. I wonder when the translations come over if it's merely a misunderstanding of context.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Chaoschao222
removed guess/theory/wondering

[kylehyde]

I know we've gotten a lot of spoilers and everything, and honestly I'm kind of bummed out that I read them because now the ending is not going to be a surprise at all XD. Like if I hadn't read what happened at the end I would of been speechless when I would of played it.

The hours of dialog that we don't know is what I'm looking foward to when I get the game.

[BlackYakuzu94]

On the bright side, we won't have to wait months until its localized.

[Luminos564]

I know we've gotten a lot of spoilers and everything, and honestly I'm kind of bummed out that I read them because now the ending is not going to be a surprise at all XD. Like if I hadn't read what happened at the end I would of been speechless when I would of played it.

Personally I am rather glad that I read the spoilers since some heavy-duty shit went down. I mean, look at what we learned so far:

-Terumi got royally offed by Haku-men.

-Tenjou was the previous Imperator and is a descendant of Mei.

-Seithr has been removed thanks to the man with the red-hot passion, Bang.

-The NOL was overthrown and a new Imperator is set in place.

-Saya is revealed to have been possessed by a being of death named Izanami.

-Ragna goes berserk and is now revealed to be housing an evil that can "swallow the world whole". Added to that, he's slowly dying because the thing is trying to eat him.

So yeah, story mode is set to be a blast for me since, as you said, we've yet to hear the dialogue in full. This is all good stuff and I can speculate on my own whilst waiting for the localization (sorry ASW, but I can't wait for Aksys' tentative early 2014 date).

On the bright side, we won't have to wait months until its localized.

Exactly. Another benefit: reading spoilers now allows you to get hyped more for the game itself if you find yourself particularly enjoying some given info.

Edited October 27, 2013 by Luminos564

[raziel12]

seems like a great game so far i need to put it on preorder this week but the main thing that pisses me off is that why it seems everyone getting badass astral heats and moves while jin, ragna,rachel still kinda seems the same since CT come on do them like they did Noel make it better add some cut scenes to it or something

Noel Astral Heat : (yay)

Ragna Astral Heat ::8/: (what the same really)

Arakune Astral Heat

Jin Astral Heat (come on)

Edited October 27, 2013 by raziel12

[Tokkan]

Hakumen meets Terumis double Gengar and fights him

double Gengar? You mean doppelganger?

[heavymetalmixer]

On the bright side, we won't have to wait months until its localized.

Because of these spoilers? or something else?

[Zedar90]

double Gengar? You mean doppelganger?

Yeah, should be Doppelgänger, I should have watched up the spelling.

In the text it was 二重の者 and in voice it was Doppelgänger.

[TheYukianesa-01]

May have been asked before but, what is up between Amane and Bullet?

[Zedar90]

May have been asked before but, what is up between Amane and Bullet?

The leader of the Mercenary group brought a guy to teach them how to fight. The guy taught them how to dance. That Guy was Amane. Amane mistook 部隊(butai, Unit) for 舞台(butai, stage)

[Starlight777]

The leader of the Mercenary group brought a guy to teach them how to fight. The guy taught them how to dance. That Guy was Amane. Amane mistook 部隊(butai, Unit) for 舞台(butai, stage)

And just for the that I want more interactions between Bullet and Amane lol.

[Zedar90]

Interesting, The first area (第一区画), the place where the Black Beast first arrived from, was also the place where Susanoo Unit and the Gate of Sheol was found in. Comes from the Library.

Code SOL: Its meaning is the Azure Grimoire. SOL is short of Soul of Language. In essence it is the same as the Ragna's Blazblue but since Hazama's whole body is constructed the same way as Blazblue it is far stronger than Ragna's. After activation it will create a field that drains all Lifeforce within it.

Edited October 27, 2013 by Zedar90

[Luminos564]

Code SOL: Its meaning is the Azure Grimoire. SOL is short of Soul of Language. In essence it is the same as the Ragna's Blazblue but since Hazama's whole body is constructed the same way as Blazblue it is far stronger than Ragna's. After activation it will create a field that drains all Lifeforce within it.

Wait, you mean to tell me that Hazama's host body, Kazuma, is actually an Azure Grimoire given flesh?