SolxBaiken Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I'm not debating the tedium [though I do find it a bit arguable as having nice, defined points makes the story feel like less of a slug than it did this time around, but maybe that's just due to the fact I actually wanted Kagura and had 0 interest in Mu]. However because they want to tell a uniformed story the split is just utterly pointless, especially when you consider how loosely defined they are [with the exception of the 6 Heroes arc, which I feel could've gotten the jist of things in well placed flash backs since it's already abridged anyways] Poor anyone not named Ragna, Jin, Noel, Kagura, just up and forgotten. More accurate.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I'm not debating the tedium [though I do find it a bit arguable as having nice, defined points makes the story feel like less of a slug than it did this time around, but maybe that's just due to the fact I actually wanted Kagura and had 0 interest in Mu]. However because they want to tell a uniformed story the split is just utterly pointless, especially when you consider how loosely defined they are [with the exception of the 6 Heroes arc, which I feel could've gotten the jist of things in well placed flash backs since it's already abridged anyways] Yea, they really should have had better focus in the three storylines, otherwise you may as well have just had just the Chronophantasma route. More accurate. To be fair, Noel doesn't do a whole lot from what I can tell. She gets her Mu powers, opens up some door so Jin can fight Tsubaki and then gets bodied by Beast!Ragna. Speaking of: http://i.imgur.com/W0BDAtR.jpg
Zazz Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 To be fair, Noel doesn't do a whole lot from what I can tell. She gets her Mu powers, opens up some door so Jin can fight Tsubaki and then gets bodied by Beast!Ragna. Question: I was under the impression that Noel got out with only some minor damage but Jin ended getting totally messed up by Beast Mode Ragna. So Jin's in the hospital with Celica looking after him and Tsubaki is pretty pissed off at Ragna and then Rachel shows up and drops the whole "If Jin can't stop Ragna, you gotta take me out" stinger at the end of the story. Is that about right?
Luminos564 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Question: does Jin actually gloat over his victory over Ragna when the latter's powers were being sealed by Celica while Jin got himself Unlimited? If that is true, then I am kind of glad Beast!Ragna restores the status quo.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Yup, Jin basically calls Ragna a pussy and that he's not worth killing....Payback's a bitch lol.
Lunar_Divider Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Is it universally agreed that CP has the worst story in terms of filling? I can understand there not being multiple endings anymore thanks to the events in CS but a ton of characters have no reason to even be there anymore and the story doesn't even bother explaining their presence in depth. I'm honestly feeling letdown over the ending and it's pretty easy to remedy this whole ordeal as the time traveling Terumi fiasco proved. I honestly felt like they could have done a Kazuma and Terumi personality split and it would have been vastly more interesting. It just doesn't even seem like what happened really matters anymore and now everything just revolves around planet Ragna. Edited October 30, 2013 by Lunar_Divider
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Is it universally agreed that CP has the worst story in terms of filling? I can understand there not being multiple endings anymore thanks to the events in CS but a ton of characters have no reason to even be there anymore and the story doesn't even bother explaining their presence in depth. I'm honestly feeling letdown over the ending and it's pretty easy to remedy this whole ordeal as the time traveling Terumi fiasco proved. I honestly felt like they could have done a Kazuma and Terumi personality split and it would have been vastly more interesting. It just doesn't even seem like what happened really matters anymore and now everything just revolves around planet Ragna. So I guess Jin, Noel, Kagura, Hakumen, and Kokonoe don't exist huh.
Lunar_Divider Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) So I guess Jin, Noel, Kagura, Hakumen, and Kokonoe don't exist huh. Seems to me like they exist to reflect Ragna's main characterness. Though to be clear I'm not complaining about the story as a whole. I just felt like there's a lot of potential wasted. Edited October 30, 2013 by Lunar_Divider
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Seems to me like they exist to reflect Ragna's main characterness. This is despite the fact that all of them accomplished goals completely unrelated to Ragna....:V
Lunar_Divider Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 This is despite the fact that all of them accomplished goals completely unrelated to Ragna....:V Yeah, I guess this is what I get for comparing it to Xenosaga. Though back on topic and my Japanese isn't perfect but I'm pretty sure the only thing Noel accomplished that wasn't related to Ragna was getting her MooMoo powers back. Even still Ragna just ended up kicking her around in the end. Her 'accomplishment' just felt like a thinly veiled explanation for bringing Mu back.
Ehecatl Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Is it universally agreed that CP has the worst story in terms of filling? I can understand there not being multiple endings anymore thanks to the events in CS but a ton of characters have no reason to even be there anymore and the story doesn't even bother explaining their presence in depth. I'm honestly feeling letdown over the ending and it's pretty easy to remedy this whole ordeal as the time traveling Terumi fiasco proved. I honestly felt like they could have done a Kazuma and Terumi personality split and it would have been vastly more interesting. It just doesn't even seem like what happened really matters anymore and now everything just revolves around planet Ragna. I honestly chalk it up to being the 3rd game in what was supposed to be a trilogy but turned into a four game series. Mori had wanted to wrap up the story in three games but he had so many plot threads laid out and also had to explain it all plus the phase shift books and all related/ relevant characters and events in-game for those who'd never read those either. So essentially, Chrono Phantasma is 'padding' until the fourth and final game. I didn't expect most characters would develop a whole heck of a lot really as a result. But I would suppose it was necessary to build up to a finale and get all the other loose threads wrapped up. My theory anyway.
kosmos badgirl Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 I beat the game 10 minutes ago and I hate the way it ends, the path until you reach the end is awesome anyway. I'm going to read the whole thread and probably ask some questions.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 I beat the game 10 minutes ago and I hate the way it ends, the path until you reach the end is awesome anyway. I'm going to read the whole thread and probably ask some questions. End is kinda depressing isn't it.
kosmos badgirl Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Sucks big time that they killed Trinity and after Rachel said to Izanami the "I have a present for you" line, what happen?, everyone agree to stop fighting and go home to drink tea.
Kishido Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 BTW what about this Hazama wanted to become the Black Beast? He himself called it a failure
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Maybe it was a failure because he couldn't become it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
raziel12 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 BTW what about this Hazama wanted to become the Black Beast? He himself called it a failure it was a failure because he couldnt become one cause noel refused to fuse with him nu said the same thing she rather die then to fuse to him to become the black beast
Luminos564 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 The way I understood it (going by the claims from CS): he called it a failure because it could not become Kusanagi, something that should be able to kill/destroy Amaterasu. And Terumi really hates the Master Unit so him not being able to fuse into something that can destroy it would be considered a failure by him.
Zedar90 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Sucks big time that they killed Trinity and after Rachel said to Izanami the "I have a present for you" line, what happen?, everyone agree to stop fighting and go home to drink tea. What are they suppoused to do? Rachel cant be killed and neither can Izanami. Rachel must also deal with Ragna problem and Izanami wants the "Qualified Ones"(資格者) dead so them fighting each other would be a waste of time. Edited October 30, 2013 by Zedar90
kosmos badgirl Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 What are they suppoused to do? Rachel cant be killed and neither can Izanami. Rachel must also deal with Ragna problem and Izanami wants the "Qualified Ones"(資格者) dead so them fighting each other would be a waste of time. I get that but what about a small scene with Rachel teleporting everyone to his castle. For me it feels rough to cut the scene where they did. My opinion of course.
Kishido Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Well to be honest... It makes no sense... If it was a failure form the very start cuz his real intend was the sword of Kusanagi it makes no sense saying Terumi wanted to become the Black Beast. And I fail to understand till this day why it needs the Murakumo units if Ragna later on was able to enter the state somehow on his own... And Terumi had the original BlazBlue so if anything he should have been able to become one as well Same for his red eye Edited October 30, 2013 by Kishido
Luminos564 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 I get that but what about a small scene with Rachel teleporting everyone to his castle. For me it feels rough to cut the scene where they did. My opinion of course. This isn't an option for Rachel anymore. Rachel's magical powers are dwindling. Amane commented that she barely has enough strength to teleport herself let alone a whole bunch of other people.
mAc Chaos Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 That is why I always thought when I played CT it had something to do with Ragna being a reincarnated Black Beast or something, so there was something special about him specifically. But then it just turned out he attached it to his arm.
Zedar90 Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Well to be honest... It makes no sense... If it was a failure form the very start cuz his real intend was the sword of Kusanagi it makes no sense saying Terumi wanted to become the Black Beast. And I fail to understand till this day why it needs the Murakumo units if Ragna later on was able to enter the state somehow on his own... And Terumi had the original BlazBlue so if anything he should have been able to become one as well Same for his red eye Terumi doesn't have the original/true Blazblue(蒼炎の書, book of the azure flame) he have another fake blazblue(碧の魔道書, the Blue/Green Grimoire) And Ragna on his own is likely to be a lot weaker than a Murakumo Azure Grimoire combo. The red eye is the effect of having the Grimoire, it isn't like the grimoire stays only in his arm.
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