[CP] Azrael vs. Rachel Match-up Discussion

[zeth07]

Discussion about the Rachel match-up goes here.

First post may be edited as important information arises. If any information seems wrong please feel free to correct it, hopefully with actual proof / examples. Anyone is free to post info as long as it is constructive and helps with the discussion of the match-up.

• Dogura's Nightmare.
  
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Notable Matches:

[09/22/13] Tahichi (AZ) vs. Rachel = http://youtu.be/-M3YGAF38UE?t=19m17s

[09/22/13] Dogura (AZ) vs. Tetsuwo (RC) = http://youtu.be/jqSodBoAEyM?t=6m30s

[09/09/13] N-Otoko (RC) vs. Dogura (AZ) = http://youtu.be/edMHaGJBG-A?t=34m

Kabaani (AZ) vs. Rachel *12

Dogura (AZ) vs. N-Otoko (RC) *11

Dogura (AZ) vs. N-Otoko (RC) *11

[NemesisZeru]

So, the main person I play against is a really good Rachel, and...it's not pretty. I've won less then 5 rounds out of 50+ matches. This matchup just feels incredibly unfair. Everything I try to approach gets easily countered(I get hit out of growlers and forward dashes, gustaf works the most, and I also get hit out of trying to airdash in because apparently you can't bloc after one. xP ), and with Azrael's slow slow movement, I lose more ground then I gain, making it possible to just get projectile spammed to death. I just don't know what to do, and the lack of info on fighting Rachel basically everywhere doesn't help. xP

 

So, any tips for getting in on a Rachel? I know I suck, but I just don't know what to do here. I just get zoned to death and knocked away or ioh'd when I do get close..

[LordSpectreX]

So, the main person I play against is a really good Rachel, and...it's not pretty. I've won less then 5 rounds out of 50+ matches. This matchup just feels incredibly unfair. Everything I try to approach gets easily countered(I get hit out of growlers and forward dashes, gustaf works the most, and I also get hit out of trying to airdash in because apparently you can't bloc after one. xP ), and with Azrael's slow slow movement, I lose more ground then I gain, making it possible to just get projectile spammed to death. I just don't know what to do, and the lack of info on fighting Rachel basically everywhere doesn't help. xP

 

So, any tips for getting in on a Rachel? I know I suck, but I just don't know what to do here. I just get zoned to death and knocked away or ioh'd when I do get close..

 

Absorb some projectiles with Growler. Use the stocks if she ever tries to summon a projectile on the ground. She can summon stuff in the air, but it's a lot less accurate and covers less space than her ground zoning, making it easier to dash in.

[NemesisZeru]

Absorb some projectiles with Growler. Use the stocks if she ever tries to summon a projectile on the ground. She can summon stuff in the air, but it's a lot less accurate and covers less space than her ground zoning, making it easier to dash in.

 

I've tried Growler, but recall getting hit out of it a ton, so maybe I was just using it wrong. I'll give it another try, though. 

 

And here I was never expecting a reply. Thanks! x3

[LordSpectreX]

I've tried Growler, but recall getting hit out of it a ton, so maybe I was just using it wrong. I'll give it another try, though. 

 

And here I was never expecting a reply. Thanks! x3

 

Rachel's projectiles emphasize in their large hitboxes rather than their travel speed. You should be able to absorb them on reaction. Just remember that Growler doesn't start absorbing projectiles immediately. Only after the startup is complete.

[NemesisZeru]

Rachel's projectiles emphasize in their large hitboxes rather than their travel speed. You should be able to absorb them on reaction. Just remember that Growler doesn't start absorbing projectiles immediately. Only after the startup is complete.

 

Yeah, I was probably doing it too late. I'll try to growler quicker next time. :P

 

I also need to stop throwing out BHS to punish lobelias at range. I....run into the lobelia, and it's pretty embarrassing, haha. Iunno, Rachel just feels sorta...dominating. Admittedly, the Rachel I fight is considerably better then me, but it's proving really hard to get momentum going. xP

[Fatalis]

BHS practically has no invincibility, as tempting as it is to try and go through it if you've played other characters in other games that have similar supers (Spencer - Bionic Arm, Shen - Zetsu! Gekiken) it will almost never work.

 

Typically the only time is works is when you get a good read right before they actually do the move, so you can hit them in the startup.

[zankoku]

BHS only has invuln on the super-flash frame (probably to prevent weird shenanigans involving him getting hit during superflash?)

OD BHS has invuln from super-flash frame until end of active frames

 

If you want to approach from the air, use dash jumps rather than IADs, since the ability to barrier immediately from the jump is invaluable in this matchup.