Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Zedar90]

Mori said that? I guess it isn't something obvious or it has to do with that vague ending we got in Episode 18 of Story Mode?

Don't know, it might have something to do with Amaterasu, the scene in the Opening shows Lambda fighting Nu in front of the unit. That stuck out for me.

 

ラムダのストーリーはものすごいネタバレがあるので、アーケードモードをプレイした人はまだプレイしていない人に言わないでほしい（笑）(Lamda's story have a big spoiler in it, so for those who have played the arcade mode I would want you not to say that spoiler to those who haven't played it yet(lol).)

[kagaribito]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rD30vpA5r0
 
when Lambda goes into Overdrive, she says "Idea Engine connected!"

[kylehyde]

Wow so Lambda's arcade story has a big spoiler that Mori doesn't want people to spoil? Now my curiosity is running wild with speculation as to what it could be =/

[Chaoschao222]

Well your curiosity only has to chill for like two and a half weeks. 

[CosmicShadow99]

So I just finished playing most of the paths in Xblaze: Code Embryo and had questions. Given that the series is a prequel and technically relates to CP I felt the questions were best placed here.

 

Spoilers from both games galore here.

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1) What are the legacy weapons exactly? They can't be nox nyctores since those were created by Konoe more than fifty years later. Though they ALL share names with nox nyctores such as Izayoi and Kusanagi and the powers are almost identical. And if these are just what those nyctores were based from were are they now and were did the legacy weapons come from?

 

2) What exactly was Sechs' goal in the game other than make unions? Was it just to kill Hinata and destory the Embryo? And why did he care so much about Touya and the Azure when it seemed like he ultimately didn't seem to need it?(Going off of the Es ending here since that seemed to be the canon ending.)

 

3) Also is Touya's Azure Grimore finally the god damn real one?! Since Xblaze happened about 50 years before the Dark War so I'm assuming that Ragna's, Terumi's, and Nu's are all based from this one and Noel just...inherited Touya's I guess?

 

4) Also anyone hoping to see adorable Es come out of the Embryo at the end of BBCP as an almighty goddess of pudding which will strike down Izanami with glorious pudi goodness?

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I understand that the Xblaze story is not over yet as it has an upcoming sequel so there are probably no solid answers though I was curious what other people thought regardless.

[Zedar90]

So I just finished playing most of the paths in Xblaze: Code Embryo and had questions. Given that the series is a prequel and technically relates to CP I felt the questions were best placed here.

 

Spoilers from both games galore here.

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1) What are the legacy weapons exactly? They can't be nox nyctores since those were created by Konoe more than fifty years later. Though they ALL share names with nox nyctores such as Izayoi and Kusanagi and the powers are almost identical. And if these are just what those nyctores were based from were are they now and were did the legacy weapons come from?

 

2) What exactly was Sechs' goal in the game other than make unions? Was it just to kill Hinata and destory the Embryo? And why did he care so much about Touya and the Azure when it seemed like he ultimately didn't seem to need it?(Going off of the Es ending here since that seemed to be the canon ending.)

 

3) Also is Touya's Azure Grimore finally the god damn real one?! Since Xblaze happened about 50 years before the Dark War so I'm assuming that Ragna's, Terumi's, and Nu's are all based from this one and Noel just...inherited Touya's I guess?

 

4) Also anyone hoping to see adorable Es come out of the Embryo at the end of BBCP as an almighty goddess of pudding which will strike down Izanami with glorious pudi goodness?

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I understand that the Xblaze story is not over yet as it has an upcoming sequel so there are probably no solid answers though I was curious what other people thought regardless.

[collapse] 1) Excavated Armaments, likely weapons made to fight against the Black Beast thousands of years ago. The Nox that Konoe created was actually a revival of ancient technology, so while they aren't Nox, they should be related to them. Also, Izayoi isn't a nox, it's a weapon that Konoe found and used as inspiration to create the Nox.

 

2) The reason for turning people into Unions seems to be because he wanted to spread the truth about the world. Sechs needed Touya to finish the embryo, since the embryo couldn't be destroyed since it was incomplete. So once Touya and Unomaru created the Embryo, he had no longer any use of Touya.

 

3) Who knows, probably not. Terumi actually calls the Azure Grimoire the original grimoire(the same Kanji) in the Light Novel version of CS. I'm unsure if Noel really have the Azure inside of her, I wonder if it's only that she sends data of what she see to Amaterasu Unit, and then Amaterasu Unit uses the power of Azure. After all, Noel will be the successor as long as Master Unit sees her as the successor. 

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[mAc Chaos]

-A-pocalypse's design looks good but I'd rather think of her as a separate character rather than a Ranga/Nu fusion of some sort.

 

Something about Ragna being turned into a girl just doesn't sit right with me.

I've already had enough of that with NEEDLESS.

 

Actually why are people making assumptions of her showing up in Blazblue to begin with? For all we know she could also show up in XBlaze for god knows why.

It's Mori, ​I ain't gotta explain sh**

It could be more like Nu with Ragna's power absorbed or something. Kind of like the reverse of what happened with Lambda in CS1.

[Zedar90]

I would believe that if it is a merge between Ragna and Nu, it would likely be Nu that has most control over the merged body. Because if one remember the thing about the Black Beast, it's the Azure grimoire that is the body(The merge looking like Ragna) and the Murakumo is the heart(Why Ragna have become a female).

 

So in a way, this would more be like a power up for Nu than Ragna.

[Ziggy_Stardust]

I just wonder how they'll make her(him?) unique compared to the other three murakumos.

Also BB4 needs an Azrael Murakumo.

[Zedar90]

I just wonder how they'll make her(him?) unique compared to the other three murakumos.

Also BB4 needs an Azrael Murakumo.

I think "she" would be unique enough, "Her" weapons are two big swords hovering around and Bloodscythe together with Soul Eater ability.

It's not like "she" would send small flying sword or shoot lazer, but more likely swing "her" weapons a little slowly but more powerful.

[Ziggy_Stardust]

I think "she" would be unique enough, "Her" weapons are two big swords hovering around and Bloodscythe together with Soul Eater ability.

It's not like "she" would send small flying sword or shoot lazer, but more likely swing "her" weapons a little slowly but more powerful.

Ah, kinda seems like she'd be a character with slower, but far reaching normals then. Maybe less focus on zoning, but more dominating mid screen. That actually sounds pretty interesting.

[Chaoschao222]

Don't theory craft the playstyle of a character that still doesn't even exist in any form of canon.

[Shinhwa]

So from the trailer, it seems like Lambda was indeed dead or kind of in an asleep state and reboots? But I am wondering if Arksys is planning on making Ragna x Lambda from the anime and the novels canon towards the game's storyline because otherwise this doesn't make sense why Lambda would call out for Ragna when Nu is existing somewhere else unless Nu's soul did separate into two beings. Considering the fact the only interaction that Ragna had with Lambda was when Terumi killed her and Nu regained her memories back at the time ._. which was in the game.

 

Also in regards to XBLAZE Lost Memories, the story that is told in the trailer seems to be a new kind? Or I wonder if it has anything to do with the story Rachel told Ragna, Noel and Celica o.o;

[Zedar90]

Also in regards to XBLAZE Lost Memories, the story that is told in the trailer seems to be a new kind? Or I wonder if it has anything to do with the story Rachel told Ragna, Noel and Celica o.o;

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Wasn't that story simply about the end of Code:Embryo, only the new thing that was told is that nothing is over and that the Original Girmoire is bad news for Touya.

When one thought Es needed to be saved, it was actually Touya that needed to be saved.

Also, Es=Amaterasu is more likely after the Trailer IMO (offered her body to god(entered the Unit?), Fell into despair(Amaterasu is supposed to be in despair as well according to the story told by Rachel))

[Shinhwa]

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Wasn't that story simply about the end of Code:Embryo, only the new thing that was told is that nothing is over and that the Original Girmoire is bad news for Touya.

When one thought Es needed to be saved, it was actually Touya that needed to be saved.

Also, Es=Amaterasu is more likely after the Trailer IMO (offered her body to god(entered the Unit?), Fell into despair(Amaterasu is supposed to be in despair as well according to the story told by Rachel))

 

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If that is the case, then I guess the stories are starting to get linked more and more o.o

 

I am guessing the missing puzzle right now is how Bloodedge Experience also applies to the story?

[heavymetalmixer]

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If that is the case, then I guess the stories are starting to get linked more and more o.o

 

I am guessing the missing puzzle right now is how Bloodedge Experience also applies to the story?

 

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Also remember that XBLAZE: Lost Memories happens when Konoe and Celica are little girls, so this time the conections with Continuum Shift Phase will be clearer than before.

[Shinhwa]

By the way, to my understanding, the 2.0 only applies to the Arcade mode right? o.o

 

I really wonder if it will take the story more further than Episode 18 finale which ended really vaguely, considering the fact Celica actually received Minerva at the last moment of the story which brings up the question which period of time Celica's Arcade mode story will take place, while how Lambda comes into the story is something I seriously want to know. Only speculation I have is that Lambda's story begins after Episode 18 because it would bring up the question if she was alive throughout the story of Chronophantasma, just what was she doing...? O.o Unless her story will be similar to Nu-13's story where she actually battles against fake characters in order to regain her memories or something.

 

Seriously can't wait... D:

[heavymetalmixer]

By the way, to my understanding, the 2.0 only applies to the Arcade mode right? o.o

 

Yep. Maybe they'll announce something for Story mode later, but it's Arcade mode-only for the moment.

[Shinhwa]

Yep. Maybe they'll announce something for Story mode later, but it's Arcade mode-only for the moment.

At least it still connects to the Story Mode (except for some characters due to time rewind)

[kylehyde]

It would be great if they took the story past the ending just a bit, it was very unsatisfying I need a bit more.

 

I'm hoping that Lambda might bump into BB Ragna at the end of her arcade mode. Maybe she calms him down or something. I'm thinking at the very least that would be the most likely scenario since her trailer makes it painfully obvious she's looking for him and will no doubt cross paths.

[Shinhwa]

And from the trailer, it looks like Lambda was in the Boundary?

[Zedar90]

I don't expect it to go past the epilogue with 2.0 arcade mode. Celica's arcade mode purpose, according to Mori, is to introduce the arcade players to Celica to those who don't know her. So once one have played the arcade, they will have some idea of who she is. Also, her arcade end takes place in January the 31st.

 

I would expect that Lambda's story is more of the spiritual kind. Rachel refers to Lambda as lost(迷子, don't know where one are), the only opponents shown are Rachel and Nu, and the stages shown on her arcade mode is "Adventus" and "Sheol Gate AD2199/12/31".

 

Edit: There is one thing I'm wondering about, Has Nine's left eye ever been shown in official art? I'm only wondering this because the Nine looking girl in Xblaze Lost Memories looks to be wearing an eyepatch over her left eye.

[Stryker115]

Her eyes were fine during the Phase Shift novels, at least she wasn't wearing an eyepatch during her confrontation with "Bloodedge" though she DID wear glasses IIRC

Are we even SURE they're the same person just because they look alike? Remember: XBlaze happened 150years before Blazblue timeline and the BlackBeast shows up ~50years after XBlaze Touya should at least look more like a middle-aged man by then if Konoe and Celica are born at that time

 

 

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Also remember that XBLAZE: Lost Memories happens when Konoe and Celica are little girls, so this time the conections with Continuum Shift Phase will be clearer than before.

 

>Continuum Shift Phase wut

[Zedar90]

Her eyes are fine during the Phase Shift novels iirc at least she wasn't wearing an eyepatch during her confrontation with "Bloodedge" though she DID wear glasses Are we even SURE they're the same person just because they look alike? remember XBlaze happened 150years before Blazblue timeline and the BlackBeast shows up ~50years after XBlaze Touya should at least look more like a middle-aged man by then if Konoe and Celica are born at that time  

I only wondering, also I see no mention off her left eye, but at least it looks like there's no eyepatch.

And yes, Code:Embryo takes place 50 years before the Black Beast, but there is no mention of when Lost:Memories takes place. Since how the story is told in the trailer, and the game is about "Memories", it probably takes place later than at the time of Code:Embryo.

[Stryker115]

I wish they could port XBlaze to the PC

I need more games that don't involve killing other people too much

 

marginally faster translations if it was in PC as well