Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Zedar90]

21 minutes ago, Evil edge said:

One thing I am starting to understand is the story Rachel was talking about what are the chances it was really about Ragan and Jin ?

There's too little known for me to make a conclusion, but it's more likely about Ragna(hero) and Nu(girl) and their situation in CT. Ragna going there to kill her because of "what" she is rather than who she is, not listening to what she says.
If one is going to drag Jin into the story, then it would be more likely Hakuman than Jin, but Hakumen's part is in the "beginning" of the story rather than the end.

So, there is no answer? Will only lead us to go around in circles for now?

[Calamitus]

39 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Could be, but there is a possibility that part is from Hibiki, the logo makes it hard to see if it belongs to the arms or Hibiki.
Still, why is it blue and not black at the bottom.

Hibiki has this "hose" on the right shoulder. If it belongs to him on the artwork, it's turned inside out. His poncho-jacket color on the CF artwork is a bit different from his character's artwork, maybe the bottom of the hose is just a mistake of the illustrator. Still, so much hype from nothing...

[Evil edge]

31 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

There's too little known for me to make a conclusion, but it's more likely about Ragna(hero) and Nu(girl) and their situation in CT. Ragna going there to kill her because of "what" she is rather than who she is, not listening to what she says.
If one is going to drag Jin into the story, then it would be more likely Hakuman than Jin, but Hakumen's part is in the "beginning" of the story rather than the end.

So, there is no answer? Will only lead us to go around in circles for now?

Oh really ? I was under the impression it was like Jin ( the hero) and Ragna ( the misunderstood Monster )   everyone wants to kill him  because of "what" he is rather then who he is 

[Zedar90]

21 minutes ago, Evil edge said:

Oh really ? I was under the impression it was like Jin ( the hero) and Ragna ( the misunderstood Monster )   everyone wants to kill him  because of "what" he is rather then who he is 

As I said, I don't know the answer, but this is my interpretation of the story.

Spoiler

 

That young girl was imprisoned. Yes, it was very much like this jail... Dark, cold and lonely.
"Amaterasu" is in the boundary alone.

One day, she was given a book. In that book was written a tale.
"Amaterasu" got somehow inside the Amaterasu Unit.

The story tells of a young girl in a country who is captured by a monster. A hero appears and defeats the monster. The end.

All that was written was the “Beginning” and the “End.” All of the gapes in between were blank...
The Black Beast becomes active in 2100/01/01 and, Nu and Ragna merges into the Beast in 2100/12/31. The rest is uncertain.

This didn't make for a story, so the young girl went on to write her own story in the book. Relying on “her own memory.”
The world is incomplete, so Amaterasu recreates it with her own memories.

The beginning had already been decided, so she wrote its continuation. The hero journeyed the country, ridding it of all its troubles... The story had spanned a hundred pages when the brave hero stood before the young maiden.
The hundred years past, and Ragna arrives to Nu.

Then... he defeated the monster.
Ragna fights Nu.

But this young girl... She didn't like this story. She started to patch it up and change it... But the ending was already pre-determined... It would always end the same way.
Amaterasu don't like this, so she tries to change details, but the end doesn't change.

The hero would stand before the young maiden... Defeat the monster... Then it would end... Silly, isn't it?

The monster... was actually the maiden herself.
Nu is a part of the Black Beast.

The young maiden was imprisoned by the monster. The monster that consumed the world...
Nu is "imprisoned" by her "programming" as the Black Beast

The girl rewrote the story's plot to its ending over and over again... So many times that the book became tattered and worn. But no matter how many times she wrote and rewrote, the hero would simply defeat the monster. He would not save the young maiden.
Amaterasu is rewriting the world so many times that it's beginning to become very distorted, thus leading for example Noel to survive.

Because.. Well, because it's a monster. Of course the monster is defeated. The ending cannot be changed. ...For that is the pre-established plot to be repeated.

The young girl continued to rewrite and rewrite, pleaded to the hero to save the maiden... “Please, rescue me” she would say. But the hero wouldn't listen. Of course he wouldn't—he's a character in a book.
Amaterasu begs Ragna to save Nu, but he won't since he is only a character in a fiction.

Actors only carry out the roles they are given. The hero was simply to defeat the monster, and claim the fame that comes with being the hero.

Which is why the hero never saved the maiden. Before long, the young girl fell into despair. And of course she would—her wish for her own story, which she was writing herself, would not come true...
Ragna never saves Nu, and thus Amaterasu falls into despair.

And yet, the girl continued to believe... She continued to believe that the hero would save her.

She probably still believes it now...

 

 

[Evil edge]

13 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

As I said, I don't know the answer, but this is my interpretation of the story.

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That young girl was imprisoned. Yes, it was very much like this jail... Dark, cold and lonely.
"Amaterasu" is in the boundary alone.

One day, she was given a book. In that book was written a tale.
"Amaterasu" got somehow inside the Amaterasu Unit.

The story tells of a young girl in a country who is captured by a monster. A hero appears and defeats the monster. The end.

All that was written was the “Beginning” and the “End.” All of the gapes in between were blank...
The Black Beast becomes active in 2100/01/01 and, Nu and Ragna merges into the Beast in 2100/12/31. The rest is uncertain.

This didn't make for a story, so the young girl went on to write her own story in the book. Relying on “her own memory.”
The world is incomplete, so Amaterasu recreates it with her own memories.

The beginning had already been decided, so she wrote its continuation. The hero journeyed the country, ridding it of all its troubles... The story had spanned a hundred pages when the brave hero stood before the young maiden.
The hundred years past, and Ragna arrives to Nu.

Then... he defeated the monster.
Ragna fights Nu.

But this young girl... She didn't like this story. She started to patch it up and change it... But the ending was already pre-determined... It would always end the same way.
Amaterasu don't like this, so she tries to change details, but the end doesn't change.

The hero would stand before the young maiden... Defeat the monster... Then it would end... Silly, isn't it?

The monster... was actually the maiden herself.
Nu is a part of the Black Beast.

The young maiden was imprisoned by the monster. The monster that consumed the world...
Nu is "imprisoned" by her "programming" as the Black Beast

The girl rewrote the story's plot to its ending over and over again... So many times that the book became tattered and worn. But no matter how many times she wrote and rewrote, the hero would simply defeat the monster. He would not save the young maiden.
Amaterasu is rewriting the world so many times that it's beginning to become very distorted, thus leading for example Noel to survive.

Because.. Well, because it's a monster. Of course the monster is defeated. The ending cannot be changed. ...For that is the pre-established plot to be repeated.

The young girl continued to rewrite and rewrite, pleaded to the hero to save the maiden... “Please, rescue me” she would say. But the hero wouldn't listen. Of course he wouldn't—he's a character in a book.
Amaterasu begs Ragna to save Nu, but he won't since he is only a character in a fiction.

Actors only carry out the roles they are given. The hero was simply to defeat the monster, and claim the fame that comes with being the hero.

Which is why the hero never saved the maiden. Before long, the young girl fell into despair. And of course she would—her wish for her own story, which she was writing herself, would not come true...
Ragna never saves Nu, and thus Amaterasu falls into despair.

And yet, the girl continued to believe... She continued to believe that the hero would save her.

She probably still believes it now...

 

 

Okay that makes sense, also what are the the chances of Spinner (from the bloodedge experience) coming back in this game since he was only knocked down into the Boundary. 

[Zedar90]

10 minutes ago, Evil edge said:

Okay that makes sense, also what are the the chances of Spinner (from the bloodedge experience) coming back in this game since he was only knocked down into the Boundary. 

Nonexistent? He became a slime like Arakune and I hardly think anyone would like to observe "that thing". There could be flashback for him, though I don't know if he is major character enough for Arc to spend time to make art for him.

[BlackYakuzu94]

5 hours ago, Zedar90 said:

As I said, I don't know the answer, but this is my interpretation of the story.

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That young girl was imprisoned. Yes, it was very much like this jail... Dark, cold and lonely.
"Amaterasu" is in the boundary alone.

One day, she was given a book. In that book was written a tale.
"Amaterasu" got somehow inside the Amaterasu Unit.

The story tells of a young girl in a country who is captured by a monster. A hero appears and defeats the monster. The end.

All that was written was the “Beginning” and the “End.” All of the gapes in between were blank...
The Black Beast becomes active in 2100/01/01 and, Nu and Ragna merges into the Beast in 2100/12/31. The rest is uncertain.

This didn't make for a story, so the young girl went on to write her own story in the book. Relying on “her own memory.”
The world is incomplete, so Amaterasu recreates it with her own memories.

The beginning had already been decided, so she wrote its continuation. The hero journeyed the country, ridding it of all its troubles... The story had spanned a hundred pages when the brave hero stood before the young maiden.
The hundred years past, and Ragna arrives to Nu.

Then... he defeated the monster.
Ragna fights Nu.

But this young girl... She didn't like this story. She started to patch it up and change it... But the ending was already pre-determined... It would always end the same way.
Amaterasu don't like this, so she tries to change details, but the end doesn't change.

The hero would stand before the young maiden... Defeat the monster... Then it would end... Silly, isn't it?

The monster... was actually the maiden herself.
Nu is a part of the Black Beast.

The young maiden was imprisoned by the monster. The monster that consumed the world...
Nu is "imprisoned" by her "programming" as the Black Beast

The girl rewrote the story's plot to its ending over and over again... So many times that the book became tattered and worn. But no matter how many times she wrote and rewrote, the hero would simply defeat the monster. He would not save the young maiden.
Amaterasu is rewriting the world so many times that it's beginning to become very distorted, thus leading for example Noel to survive.

Because.. Well, because it's a monster. Of course the monster is defeated. The ending cannot be changed. ...For that is the pre-established plot to be repeated.

The young girl continued to rewrite and rewrite, pleaded to the hero to save the maiden... “Please, rescue me” she would say. But the hero wouldn't listen. Of course he wouldn't—he's a character in a book.
Amaterasu begs Ragna to save Nu, but he won't since he is only a character in a fiction.

Actors only carry out the roles they are given. The hero was simply to defeat the monster, and claim the fame that comes with being the hero.

Which is why the hero never saved the maiden. Before long, the young girl fell into despair. And of course she would—her wish for her own story, which she was writing herself, would not come true...
Ragna never saves Nu, and thus Amaterasu falls into despair.

And yet, the girl continued to believe... She continued to believe that the hero would save her.

She probably still believes it now...

 

 

 

Now this is what confuses me, what does Ameterasu count as "saving" in this case?

[Zedar90]

6 minutes ago, BlackYakuzu94 said:

 

Now this is what confuses me, what does Ameterasu count as "saving" in this case?

I dunno. Not being used anymore? Escape the fate of becoming the Black Beast and destroying the world? Get her dream from the story mode in CT to become real?

[Luminos564]

28 minutes ago, Evil edge said:

What if everything in BB is not real and  Ragna and the others don't actually exist ? someone in the modern day world is just dreaming all this  ?

You mean the idea of everything being "all just a dream", one of the most poorly implemented storytelling devices to date?  Yeah no thanks. While the idea is not inherently bad, it has often been used as one of the laziest, most cop-out endings/explanations and I'd like to think that for a game that's supposed to signify the end of (at least) Ragna's story to have more substance than for it to end up as Amaterasu's little acid trip.

That being said, looking at the opening I noticed that Amaterasu is depicted as completely alone in what looks like a barren wasteland while what I can only assume is the Embryo looming over her. Perhaps that has some significance down the line. If Amaterasu is indeed the "Girl" in the story, then perhaps she's doing this out of sheer loneliness. Clearly Ragna means something to her if she's pulling yet another massive phenomena intervention and attempting to revert things back to CT.

[churchblue]

I still wonder what is Naoto's role in CF.

[VermilionBird]

16 hours ago, Luminos564 said:

Clearly Ragna means something to her if she's pulling yet another massive phenomena intervention and attempting to revert things back to CT.

That may not be the case. It's possible she's doing a last ditch attempt to save herself by "rewriting the book" once more.

[Luminos564]

28 minutes ago, VermilionBird said:

That may not be the case. It's possible she's doing a last ditch attempt to save herself by "rewriting the book" once more.

Thing is though, and I must ask: if she is pulling yet another rewrite (and all the 725 times before), why does she continue to use Ragna for the role of the "hero"? If all she required out of her predetermined story was that the "hero saves the girl", then there's no particular reason for her to keep using Ragna specifically. She could have tried anyone else for a spin. Unless of course this is what Rachel meant when she said that "actors exist to fulfill their role on the stage" and Ragna just so happens to be the unfortunate one stuck with the role of the "hero" because Amaterasu is a terrible casting director.

Going a bit on the side, has anyone else noticed the illustrations during the opening? We've see the "Beast" Ragna vs. Jin and several others, but also take note that there was a Lambda-11 vs. Haku-men one. I forget the exact line but isn't one of Lambda-11 quotes showcased as something like "I won't let Ragna be killed" or some other such variation? If this means she's planning on taking on Haku-men of all people then someone really ought to give her a gold medal for having the guts to do it.

[churchblue]

I just realize something. Maybe Nine's vessel is Raquel. It would be possible.

[Chaoschao222]

There's no basis for that. Chill.

[churchblue]

Yeah, but where is Raquel?

I expect a lot of Naoto/Rachel scenes in Story mode. She's the only character Naoto recognize other than Val and Relius.

We still need an explanation why is Naoto is Alucard clothing?

[BlackYakuzu94]

1 hour ago, churchblue said:

Yeah, but where is Raquel?

I expect a lot of Naoto/Rachel scenes in Story mode. She's the only character Naoto recognize other than Val and Relius.

We still need an explanation why is Naoto is Alucard clothing?

How does Raquel being Nine's vessel begin to explain any of that./

[sg1989]

But this return to the state of CT is happening only in the embryo?

If the Master unit brings everything in back it means that the plan of Izanami in the end of CP would be completely useless.
What would be served the end of CP if then everything would be back to normal?

And

Spoiler

the arcade end of lambda in CPEX says that ragna is in the inside of the embryo?

PS:sorry for my english

[churchblue]

6 hours ago, BlackYakuzu94 said:

How does Raquel being Nine's vessel begin to explain any of that./

Again, it was just a thought. Nine is using a vessel, but we are not sure who is it is. And plus she has yellow eyes. I don't know how else Raquel will fit in CF.

[GEKKA]

1 hour ago, churchblue said:

Again, it was just a thought. Nine is using a vessel, but we are not sure who is it is. And plus she has yellow eyes. I don't know how else Raquel will fit in CF.

This is probably why you're not part of the development team. Having the same color eyes means very little. But something curious I thought of on the topic; what are the chances we see someone from Xblaze in the Centralfiction.(Es more than likely given what her name stands for)

[Zedar90]

The website for BBCF have been updated with Backstories for the characters, and yeah, we are back into CT, a strange twisted version of CT. Here is some details I read.

Jin have been ranked down to captain, and no one except him remembers that he used to be a major and given the nickname Hero of Ikaruga.
Tsubaki is now belongs to the Fourth Squadron, and has the rank of First Lieutenant
It confirms that Tager is the captain of the unit, and that Bullet and Tager now works for Kokonoe
Kokonoe sends Bullet and Tager to capture Ragna, and she herself goes to Kagutsuchi since she has no idea of who salvaged Hakumen and wants to find out

[BlackYakuzu94]

Wow, Jin got fucked lol. I assume the Power of Order is the reason he's the only who remembers things properly. So wait, who has Jin's rank?

[scorchedearth97]

Maybe Noel? That'd be amusing.

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[Tokkan]

Jin's rank? Kagura now directly commands the Fourth Squadron instead of Jin, but he's still a colonel and supreme commander of the NOL forces.

[BlackYakuzu94]

1 minute ago, Tokkan said:

Jin's rank? Kagura now commands the Fourth Squadron instead of Jin, though he's still a Colonel and not a Major.

So Kagura is the Hero of Ikaruga now I assume? Why else would he be the leader of the fourth squadron. And if Tsubaki is Jin's lieutenant now, what about Noel any mention of her?

 

Man, this timeline is getting fucked.

[Tokkan]

2 minutes ago, BlackYakuzu94 said:

So Kagura is the Hero of Ikaruga now I assume? Why else would he be the leader of the fourth squadron. And if Tsubaki is Jin's lieutenant now, what about Noel any mention of her?

 

Man, this timeline is getting fucked.

There was probably no Hero of Ikaruga, Homura is the Imperator in this world.