[CP] Match Finder/GG Thread

[Aki-]

Well it's not even Tesno. I just don't fight well against Valks in general. I like to block, but against valk, the reaction times are too short. Most valks pull off the same patterns which is why i ended up getting used to the pressure early on (watching a lot of CP vids helped a lot), but then when applying braking, it had me react in shorter times and there are different ways he can go.

I can understand this. I can't react too well against Valk at times, and I main the guy. lol I REALLY try to not block too much against him because he will eat your soul!

[abadlime]

It makes it worse that i have been playing on a delayed screen and that isn't including random netplay delays. Well even with all that out of the picture, i can't really imagine myself reacting correctly anyway. Valk has already devoured my soul =/

[Aki-]

It makes it worse that i have been playing on a delayed screen and that isn't including random netplay delays. Well even with all that out of the picture, i can't really imagine myself reacting correctly anyway. Valk has already devoured my soul =/

I feel for you, Lime. D: Are you playing on an HD TV? Some HD TV's have lag on em but they come with an option to where you can set it up to reduce lag. I have an HD TV that I had to manually set to where I have the option between game mode & TV mode. Well damn. It's ok Lime, you'll get back at Valk eventually.

GGS to Epic Potatochip, Hazel, Littlefang, Ducky, and randoms. Always a pleasure to give out some Valk experience, aside from combing people to death. lol

[abadlime]

I feel for you, Lime. D: Are you playing on an HD TV? Some HD TV's have lag on em but they come with an option to where you can set it up to reduce lag. I have an HD TV that I had to manually set to where I have the option between game mode & TV mode. Well damn. It's ok Lime, you'll get back at Valk eventually.

Yeah, but i haven't bothered checking since I only moved the PS3 because i had a guest staying since November and will stay for the rest of December. I'm moving it back when she leaves which will bring me back to the standard monitor…but i will miss the HD visuals =/

[Ctrlaltwtf]

It makes it worse that i have been playing on a delayed screen and that isn't including random netplay delays. Well even with all that out of the picture, i can't really imagine myself reacting correctly anyway. Valk has already devoured my soul =/

It's difficult enough to properly react to Valk offline anyway man, lol. He's top tier for a reason. Every single rush is either a high, low, or a throw/command throw.

Edited December 7, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf

[beanwich]

It's difficult enough to properly react to Valk offline anyway man, lol. He's top tier for a reason. Every single rush is either a high, low, or a throw/command throw.

I think you just described every experience of mine VS. Valkenhayn.

[BoltofShadow]

It's difficult enough to properly react to Valk offline anyway man, lol. He's top tier for a reason. Every single rush is either a high, low, or a throw/command throw.

Hate this matchup with Hazama, soooo so much, I pretty much have to prey they screw up so I can D my way out of there.

Jin I can at least Yukikaze or mash DP.

At the same time, winning/totally stealing a game from one is more satisfying than almost anything for me.

Edited December 7, 2013 by BoltofShadow

[someonewhodied]

Why do yall have trouble with valk? wolf pressure?

Just wait for the wolf 5C and Ib it, and press your 5A or DP or an antiair that has frame 5 or faster head invul.

Or if you are tao just crawl

[BoltofShadow]

Why do yall have trouble with valk? wolf pressure?

Just wait for the wolf 5C and Ib it, and press your 5A or DP or an antiair that has frame 5 or faster head invul.

Implying I can block in the first place

[Ctrlaltwtf]

Why do yall have trouble with valk? wolf pressure?

Just wait for the wolf 5C and Ib it, and press your 5A or DP or an antiair that has frame 5 or faster head invul.

Or if you are tao just crawl

>Not everyone has those options

>He can go into normal form 2B for a mixup anyway

>IB wjC only has like a 2F gap on wjC > wA. In fact, I'm in training mode and it seems to actually be gapless.

There is no reliable way to counteract his pressure every time you see a wjC

Edited December 7, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf

[mAc Chaos]

I'd rather fight Valk than Tao.

[AchedSphinx]

>Not everyone has those options

>He can go into normal form 2B for a mixup anyway

>IB wjC only has like a 2F gap on wjC > wA. In fact, I'm in training mode and it seems to actually be gapless.

There is no reliable way to counteract his pressure every time you see a wjC

He's talking about ground wolf 5C. There's a gap in that a lot of people can capitalize on if he goes from wolf 5C > wj.A if you instant block the w5C there's a 2 or 3F gap to mash something out. But, that really only works on Valks who don't brake and go all over the place expecting you to mash out a quick jab. I'm not convinced its an effective strategy to use against a good Valk, but it's there to be used and people do make mistakes sometimes.

[Errol]

He's talking about ground wolf 5C. There's a gap in that a lot of people can capitalize on if he goes from wolf 5C > wj.A if you instant block the w5C there's a 2 or 3F gap to mash something out. But, that really only works on Valks who don't brake and go all over the place expecting you to mash out a quick jab. I'm not convinced its an effective strategy to use against a good Valk, but it's there to be used and people do make mistakes sometimes.

it's good to know, you can use it to guess your way out. It's very far from being an effective way out though.

as has been said, he's S for a reason, if there was an easy way out he wouldn't be. You'd see japanese players doing it.

>Not everyone has those options

>He can go into normal form 2B for a mixup anyway

>IB wjC only has like a 2F gap on wjC > wA. In fact, I'm in training mode and it seems to actually be gapless.

There is no reliable way to counteract his pressure every time you see a wjC

not to mention w5C>w5C>w5C>w5C

[abadlime]

Why do yall have trouble with valk? wolf pressure?

Just wait for the wolf 5C and Ib it, and press your 5A or DP or an antiair that has frame 5 or faster head invul.

Wolf braking says otherwise. I'm playing hazama so 5A is my only option. If he opts to brake after a w.5C, i either whiff because he's too far or I don't react in time based on how he braked (he went down versus going closer)

He's talking about ground wolf 5C. There's a gap in that a lot of people can capitalize on if he goes from wolf 5C > wj.A if you instant block the w5C there's a 2 or 3F gap to mash something out. But, that really only works on Valks who don't brake and go all over the place expecting you to mash out a quick jab. I'm not convinced its an effective strategy to use against a good Valk, but it's there to be used and people do make mistakes sometimes.

This is what made Tesno decide to brake more. I got used to the usual patterns and then he decided it was time.

not to mention w5C>w5C>w5C>w5C

That was the point i decided i can't block.

[susano]

That matchup confuses me.

[TD]

in his case the best defense is a good offense. dont get hit. probably one of the top 10 worst pieces of advice ever, but i'd rather that than "be a mind reader"

[abadlime]

in his case the best defense is a good offense. dont get hit. probably one of the top 10 worst pieces of advice ever, but i'd rather that than "be a mind reader"

That's usually the natural reaction when you can't block certain mix-ups…but there are times you just can't get away =/

[NecroTheReaper]

The only way to kill Valk: hit him.

Luckily Valk is still somewhat squishy on defense. Doesnt say much when he can avoid you for the entire match, and the first second you hit him he bursts -_-

Sure would be nice if bursts didn't launch as far, getting screwed after you use one really sucks if you don't have a long range game.

[Kiba]

Why do yall have trouble with valk? wolf pressure?

Just wait for the wolf 5C and Ib it, and press your 5A or DP or an antiair that has frame 5 or faster head invul.

Hmm I wonder which Valks you play....

Wolf braking says otherwise. I'm playing hazama so 5A is my only option. If he opts to brake after a w.5C, i either whiff because he's too far or I don't react in time based on how he braked (he went down versus going closer)

Let me shed a little light here.

w5C > wolf brake > wj.A beats mashing. You can't 5A Valk out of that, and if you did, the Valk did not perform the input fast enough.

w5C > 6D > j.A is not wolf braking and can be beat by mashing.

Edited December 7, 2013 by Kiba

[BoltofShadow]

The only way to kill Valk: hit him.

Luckily Valk is still somewhat squishy on defense. Doesnt say much when he can avoid you for the entire match, and the first second you hit him he bursts -_-

Sure would be nice if bursts didn't launch as far, getting screwed after you use one really sucks if you don't have a long range game.

I see valk in wolf form and i'm not in the corner I mash the crap out of 5a or throw whatever Projectiles I have.

Course you'll be doing no damage, then get carried into corner, burst, get put in corner again, then you might as well put down the controller.

[NecroTheReaper]

That's why after all my rounds with Tesno, after a burst, I'd concentrate more on getting back to midscreen than tryin to play neutral with my back against the wall. Luckily Tesno had a bad habit of wolf dashing into Relius 214C so it gave me both options xD. Still lost in thr end though °¬°

[AchedSphinx]

You could always do the thing people did in P4A vs Yosuke. If he gets caught with air throw, he's not very good. If he doesn't get caught with air throw, he's good and you're kinda screwed. Use mashing as your gauge to tell if the Valk is good or not.

Moral of the story: if you play against a good Valk, you're screwed.

[BoltofShadow]

I still like to play Tesno though simply because when I win via sheer luck it makes me feel like i'm not absolute shit

But yeah air grabs are good against him, same with Bullet.

One match I got half my damage off of Air Grabs alone.

[abadlime]

Let me shed a little light here.

w5C > wolf brake > wj.A beats mashing. You can't 5A Valk out of that, and if you did, the Valk did not perform the input fast enough.

w5C > 6D > j.A is not wolf braking and can be beat by mashing.

Welp, so even if i did react in time to hit 5A, i'd still get punished. I'm gonna have to watch your video again kiba-sama.

[Kiba]

Welp, so even if i did react in time to hit 5A, i'd still get punished. I'm gonna have to watch your video again kiba-sama.

As Hazama, you need to really be careful about what you do after you block a w5C. If the Valk opts for a wolf brake j.A and you houtenjin, he can OS it, 4D back and then 6B FC punish you. This is why I highly suggest barrier blocking against Valk to really limit his offensive options. He might be too far out to use wolf brake j.A and from there you can determine whether to jump out or poke him out of 6D > j.A. It's a mindgame thing and you never know what the Valk is gonna do after w5C.

As Tsubaki, just keep DP'ing if you have charge and ESPECIALLY if they're real auto pilot with their pressure, using the w5C > 6D > j.A > j.C stuff. Either that and you can risk getting hit (which of course is kinda unlikely), or you can try to block and stay in the corner. Times like this I wish I was in the US but I have my buddy Dreize to deal with you guys.