[CP] Azrael - Gameplay Discussion v.2 (Discuss Videos/Combos/Questions/etc.)

[Warhound]

Gustav hits into a stun state requiring tech? I can taste the saltiness.

[Maho]

TCL nerf takes out a lot of 2WP combos which makes me sad :/

[Warhound]

TCL nerf takes out a lot of 2WP combos which makes me sad :/

 

Ack, I didn't even think of that. Guess it's the corner for us, y'know, like the rest of the cast.

[Verimeloni]

TCL nerf takes out a lot of 2WP combos which makes me sad :/

It takes some but not all, from now on you just have to end your combos with hornet instead of leopard > 3D.

 

 

Ack, I didn't even think of that. Guess it's the corner for us, y'know, like the rest of the cast.

 

Corner and CHs

[Agni]

I just picked this character randomly in training mode and started liking him a lot so I'm learning him now, but his links are killing me. Anyone have any advice? Are they true links (one move must end completely before starting the next) or are they more like Slayer's late gatlings (where they can be cancelled, but at a much later or more specific time than most other moves in the game).

 

I'm also having a little trouble doing TCL but that's just execution (The first two moves are fine, but getting the final 6C is a little tricky because you have to let it return to 5 (but not go all the way to 4) and then hit 6C really quickly. I tried doing 236C > 46C > 46C but that doesn't seem to work) so I guess I need to grind that out. Regardless, I really like this character.

[greatfernman]

you don't have to return to neutral for TCL just hold 6 and press C

[Agni]

Really? I did that (by just holding 6 after Cobra Spike) and it didn't come out.

 

Eh, my execution probably just sucks. I bought my stick like...a week ago so I'm flubbing so much basic shit

[greatfernman]

You're probably pressing C too early

[Agni]

Yeah you're right, I just checked and was able to do it like you said. Chalk that one up to bad execution .

 

Now I gotta go practice those links...

[Synyster17]

 Are they true links (one move must end completely before starting the next) or are they more like Slayer's late gatlings (where they can be cancelled, but at a much later or more specific time than most other moves in the game).

 

this game has 3 frames of advance input so that helps. i recommend practing 5b 2c and 2a 5a 5b 2c on standing. on crouching do 5b 3c. they aren't that hard but you have got to put some time in. b4 u know it you can do them with ease.

[Verimeloni]

Don't mash, I used to play Tsubaki and learning links was awkward.

[MasterXDrake]

Any super newbie comobs for a utter noob?

[Synyster17]

Any super newbie comobs for a utter noob?

 

Midscreen

5b 2c 6d{UW}

5b 2c 3d{LW}

{UW} 5b 2c 6d TCL 3d (not near corner) / 5b jbc jd (corner)

{LW} 5b 2c 3d TCL 3d (not near corner) / 5b jbc jd (corner)

{UW} 5bb TCL RC 66 2369d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d (same combo in the corner but remove the 66)

Throw 5b jbc jd

back throw TLC 3d or 5b jbc jd

throw/back throw {UW} 236d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d

OD 5bb OD 2b TCL 236236d

 

Corner

5b 2c 2b TCL 5b jbc jd {UW}

{UW} 5b 2c 2b TC 236d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d

throw TCL 5b 2c 6d

 

that should start you off but after this consider learning the optimal stuff.

[bakahyl]

TK Sentinel Vs;

 

-snip-

This post was made a while ago but i haven't lost with Mu's dp vs "oki" sentinel dump so far

[MasterXDrake]

Midscreen

5b 2c 6d{UW}

5b 2c 3d{LW}

{UW} 5b 2c 6d TCL 3d (not near corner) / 5b jbc jd (corner)

{LW} 5b 2c 3d TCL 3d (not near corner) / 5b jbc jd (corner)

{UW} 5bb TCL RC 66 2369d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d (same combo in the corner but remove the 66)

Throw 5b jbc jd

back throw TLC 3d or 5b jbc jd

throw/back throw {UW} 236d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d

OD 5bb OD 2b TCL 236236d

 

Corner

5b 2c 2b TCL 5b jbc jd {UW}

{UW} 5b 2c 2b TC 236d {6*5c} 6*3c 6a 5d

throw TCL 5b 2c 6d

 

that should start you off but after this consider learning the optimal stuff.

Alright thanks dood!

[LordSpectreX]

This post was made a while ago but i haven't lost with Mu's dp vs "oki" sentinel dump so far

 

Yeah that post is obsolete. The truth is is that if you do Sentinel Dump fast enough and far enough into the dash after TCL, you can safe jump every DP in the game, including Kagura's 8 Frame Flash kick. It only loses to Yukikaze, 720 and some super fast invul supers (Taokaka 236236D?). It's literally a perfect safe jump vs most options, which is why they're taking it out for 2.0. If you're beating Sentinel Dump with Mu's DP, then your Azrael isn't doing it fast enough. 

[Kinkuli]

Yup. While i am kinda sad dump oki is gonna go away (99.9% sure unless with some magical 0.01% they find a way to do it again), azrael having a setplay option which setups 4way mixup is kinda stupid. 

 

Anyway eager to see azrael change log. He will probably have some undocumented changes though. Most likely everyone else will have them too. My only regret is that i won't be able to go to the arcade to try him out ;(. Life sucks.

 

PS. still working on that LGP sadly. I just want to know if i am getting that goddamn funding i should get, but processing is taking forever  (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ . 

[Synyster17]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnS0_kfLMnA

 

go to 3:25 to see changes to azrael. it seems like they took away some of his offensive and gave him more tools to use IMO but this is just from looking at the stuff

[Kinkuli]

Aaw they kept the jD change it seems. I wonder if j2D is the same as it was in TGS revision. If so then i suppose we need to start using LWP more in midscreen. No biggie really, with these changes it's probably better in midscreen anyway. Gimme console version nao mori, you little fuck.

 

EDIT: also wondering if they kept the change for gustaf where you end up closer after it on block. That would be nice. I do believe it also staggered during TGS revision.

[Verimeloni]

No mention of Scud's startup either

[Leopold]

by the looks of the video it seems gustaf is the same. I did not see any noticeable range when it came to how close he was next to nu in this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnS0_kfLMnA#t=210

 

This video wasn't impressive at all. They only showed the new growler and said, "oh here's the new TCL that got murdered on midscreen." What are we supposed to do with the new growler anyways? Yes we can cancel in cannon projectile but that sends them all the way down across the screen. The recovery of it is not good to the point we can dash in and do something. We can convert a BHS from it but that cost 50 meter so there's that restriction. The only thing we can get out of it is a chance to gain more proximity but we are still playing a neutral game and didn't really gained any real advantage. 

 

I'm not sure what was their point in showing us those raw valiants combos even the growler one ( it did looked cool I ought to admit). Its not like we can rely to throw raw valiant here and there so I thought that was irrelevant. 

 

We honestly took a huge hit and we are going to have to adapt, there's no other way around it. 

[Kinkuli]

You can combo Phalanx hit into dash TK Gustaf :3. With 50% meter you can do Phalanx - gustaf RC TCL into stuff depending on positioning. Dogura uses it ALL THE TIME.

 

EDIT: You can also combo it to dash TK TCL so with correct read and positioning the new phalanx cancel will be a great asset in your arsenal.

[Leopold]

You can combo Phalanx hit into dash TK Gustaf :3. With 50% meter you can do Phalanx - gustaf RC TCL into stuff depending on positioning. Dogura uses it ALL THE TIME.

True you can get gustaf tk out of it but you still need the 50% meter limitation to convert into anything other than that.

 

And it seems it will be the same route for midscreen TCL. No more sentinel dump after it so might as well use a gustaf tk after TCL on midscreen. 

[Kinkuli]

Well you still kinda get a KD from the dash TK gustaf so it's not that bad really. If you happen to be near corner you can go for TCL and corner combo. 

 

Which reminds me, the new TCL might not be that bad. The slide state seems to last quite long so dash 3D/6D after RC might be possible if you happen to have a weakpoint. Time will tell.

 

EDIT: Meant TCL RC dash 3D/6D. 

[Noahthority]

So is 6B straight jump cancelable now? Thats kind of nice