[CP] Tager vs Noel: Same routine different day

[A.X.I.S.]

No 1F invul on 4D make Noel a sad girl.

Edited October 29, 2013 by A.X.I.S.

[Darlos9D]

Shit, really? How many frames of startup does the invuln have?

Do we have general frame data yet?

[TagerTime]

Shit, really? How many frames of startup does the invuln have?

Do we have general frame data yet?

The CP frame data for tager has been completed on the wiki for at least 1 or 2 months. All chars for cp frame data is listed there on the main page. The direct link for tager is in my sig below.

[Ctrlaltwtf]

2D takes longer, goes a lot higher too. Don't know anything about the actual frame data though.

[legacy49i]

No 1F invul on 4D make Noel a sad girl.

Uhhh, last I checked 4D WAS invul on frame 1.  What are you talking about?

[Ctrlaltwtf]

Uhhh, last I checked 4D WAS invul on frame 1.  What are you talking about?

 

He meant it's only BP invuln now. If you meaty with a Foot attribute move (i.e. 5B) and she 4D's she'll get CH. She has to guess between using 4D/2D now instead of just relying on 4D for everything like she did in past iterations.

 

This is honestly a pretty awful matchup for Noel imo.

[SoWL]

Well, it's always been one of the few positive Tager match-ups, and I see no reason that might've changed in BBCP.

[legacy49i]

He meant it's only BP invuln now. If you meaty with a Foot attribute move (i.e. 5B) and she 4D's she'll get CH. She has to guess between using 4D/2D now instead of just relying on 4D for everything like she did in past iterations.

 

This is honestly a pretty awful matchup for Noel imo.

It IS a pretty shitty matchup (For Noel, that is).

 

And there's no guessing with 4D/2D.  2D is no longer an effective starter to beat lows.  It arcs so high now that it will miss entirely at close range.  Now it's pretty much 4D to beat mids and block everything else.  And to my knowledge, 4D never beat lows.  It used to beat highs and mids, and you could use 2D to beat lows.  Now 4D only beats mids, and 2D does nothing for you.

[Errol]

yeah pretty much everything in this thread is wrong when it comes to the frame data, but I guess it's bad for noel one way or another.

[Yohosie]

Voltic Charge > Hammer, Sledge, and 6A are really good options in neutral. I'm pretty sure 6A/Voltic beats every poke but 2B? 5B poke is great, beats dash 5B (her primary poke) if you time it right. On defense, d.6B and d.6D (her low and her high) are physical, not projectiles, so you can't sledge through her drive 100% free.

 

You might be able to Voltic > Hammer for free after d.6D, but I honestly can't tell Noel's Drive moves from each other in a real match. Also may be able to 360A for free after d.6B, but I don't know enough about Noel to test all her options. If anyone knows any universal answers I'd love to hear em, but honestly I don't know what to do in this matchup except that it's in Tager's favor.

[legacy49i]

You don't 360 after d.6B or d.6D, you 360 BEFORE them.  And 360B is the better option.  I'm pretty sure you can 360 after a d.6C (The boomerang gun move), but I'm not 100%.

 

I am a Noel main.  Tager is my sub, but I'm not super good with him.  Just good enough to netplay and make noobs rage.  If you want any answers, I can answer to the best of my ability.

 

To be honest, if you're netplaying, and a Noel is trying Drive mixup, you can usually just spin the stick and mash B (or C with Heat) and you'll Buster as soon as there's an opening.  It's usually pretty free.