Dengeki Bunko FIGHTING CLIMAX IGNITION Gameplay Discussion Thread

[winblue]

I think it's a boss-only special? I dunno, tried her and never saw that move in her movelist (unless I'm blind)

I've seen she used that move in versus mode. I noticed that she used up all 2 Trump card icon when using that move.

[Silvius]

There the mixups i was talking about earlier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2tALU7cVA&index=12&list=PLMdR9pWh4x3xmwsUVMlGRetpPB54xxXJR

[skd]

Thanks for your though actually just yesterday i figured out about everything you said during the weekly ranking , i'm making a video with my new 6S setup (its not a meaty so i can hit before alicia do) and i'll post it there when its done (sorry in advance for the video editing , i'm not really good at this)

 

lmao you dont have to apologize for anything, it was just advice.

 

There the mixups i was talking about earlier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2tALU7cVA&index=12&list=PLMdR9pWh4x3xmwsUVMlGRetpPB54xxXJR

 

but yeah, this setup is much better! o t s u k a r e

[Keo-bas]

so should we just role with the alicia assisst in tournaments? 

[Silvius]

Oh dont worry i was just apologin in advance for my poor video editing skill not the rest x) (sometime ppl complain about that on the comments)

I'm happy with this setup and i'll rock Alicia for life with Selvaria , this + the grenade oki/frametrap gonna be so good in matchs

Edit : Also for those who have trouble understanding why Alicia go left/right there 2 pics of the knockdown placement
Alicia go behind allowing you to cross up : http://puu.sh/d17U8/99e73ee00b.png
Alicia stay in front allowing you to do stay on the same side : http://puu.sh/d17MR/c6b004071b.png

Just put those two pics in your browser and compare them , you'll see the slighty difference

[Fatal Seabass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucsNCbF1VtE

 

Just posted a video of a quick rundown of the assists and some of the finer details. Thanks to these forums for breaking down some of the more complex assists that had hidden actions. I really appreciated it.

 

Right now, it's a rough draft. If I missed anything, please let me know and I'll fix it. 

[Silvius]

Great work Fatal Seabass , i think you missed Enju's 5 otherwise its fine , if i can make a suggestion , you can add timestamp on the description for each assists , like that people can seek for what they are interested directly (if you're goal is to be informative of course)

[skd]

so should we just role with the alicia assisst in tournaments? 

 

if youre asking if shes like the best assist, hardly haha. depends on the character. other assists can do crossups, really depends on how its set up. theres still the neutral component of the game lol, even then this isnt like raw 50/50 mixup. an assists that compliments a character's approach and neutral is still really important, its just something you can do with certain assist pairings. Not every character can set up alicia for a mixup well/consistently, so yeah.

[Vesperion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucsNCbF1VtE

 

Just posted a video of a quick rundown of the assists and some of the finer details. Thanks to these forums for breaking down some of the more complex assists that had hidden actions. I really appreciated it.

 

Right now, it's a rough draft. If I missed anything, please let me know and I'll fix it. 

good run down on the assists. I noticed you missed Tatsuya's 6S (only reason i watched), but i saw you talked about it in the description. I think a timestamp would help with all those assists.

Also i believe you can't tech grabs if caught by Tatsuya's 5S counter.

[Silvius]

I think he was talking about rockin Alicia with Selvaria in tournament , like Yukina/Kojou or Rentaro/Enju

[Fatal Seabass]

Great work Fatal Seabass , i think you missed Enju's 5 otherwise its fine , if i can make a suggestion , you can add timestamp on the description for each assists , like that people can seek for what they are interested directly (if you're goal is to be informative of course)

 

I appreciate it, Silvius!  And yeah. That timestamp sounds like a good idea. I'll work on it!

 

Added timestamps. Also realized that I didn't include the text for Holo's assist. I'll reupload with changes.

[katsudon]

Added some super basic combos to Yukina's page on the wiki, I'll keep updating it as I figure some more stuff out.

[Fatal Seabass]

good run down on the assists. I noticed you missed Tatsuya's 6S (only reason i watched), but i saw you talked about it in the description. I think a timestamp would help with all those assists.

Also i believe you can't tech grabs if caught by Tatsuya's 5S counter.

 

Oh ok. Not sure how I missed that. I 100% remember editing that clip. Yeah, I will include that in the reupload. Thanks for the heads up, Vesperion! Also, what is the secret Enju assist? And it seems that there is some secret Izaya assist trigger as well that I missed.

[Silvius]

With Enju you can basically hold 5S and she gonna lock your opponent , when you hit him she gonna dive and launch him (without the 2nd part) , the effect vanish if you get hit inbetween

[Fatal Seabass]

With Enju you can basically hold 5S and she gonna lock your opponent , when you hit him she gonna dive and launch him (without the 2nd part) , the effect vanish if you get hit inbetween

 

Ah, I see. Thanks dude. I'll be sure to include that. Much appreciated!

[Keo-bas]

if youre asking if shes like the best assist, hardly haha. depends on the character. other assists can do crossups, really depends on how its set up. theres still the neutral component of the game lol, even then this isnt like raw 50/50 mixup. an assists that compliments a character's approach and neutral is still really important, its just something you can do with certain assist pairings. Not every character can set up alicia for a mixup well/consistently, so yeah.

i'm cocern with the fact how 5s is excluded from the mandatory cooldown period after combo. Outside of that i have no issue with her.

[Ben Reed]

Played a bunch of casual sets at the CEO tournament today. I have come around on the Selvaria vs KYH matchup and no longer regard Accelerator as an essential counter to KYH/Accelerator. So long as you confirm reasonably optimized combos with Alicia and avoid taking tons of Piercers to the face from ill-conceived chicken blocking, you can win the matchup just fine without Accelerator 5S oki. I also now regard KYH as one of Selvaria's easier matchups compared to more aggressive characters (especially Kirino...her aerials shit on Sel's anti-air and she's difficult to whiff punish without burning A+C. And that command run HAS to be respected if you don't want to stay in the blender forever for eating slide after slide).

I'm adding some basic stuff to the wiki now, mostly on basic neutral game. I more than welcome people who are more literate in advanced oki setups with Alicia to correct me as they please, I'll try not to say anything about stuff I don't know much about. All I really feel qualified to say on Alicia is "she's the best, grenades for life lolol".

[pokemonblaze234]

Oh ok. Not sure how I missed that. I 100% remember editing that clip. Yeah, I will include that in the reupload. Thanks for the heads up, Vesperion! Also, what is the secret Enju assist? And it seems that there is some secret Izaya assist trigger as well that I missed.

Go and reread the post that I made with the Izaya assit info and you'll find out.

[Blue Crimson]

Any Kirito players know why (in dual wielding) Storm Strike > Horizontal Square drops at the end of a long combo?

[Maho]

It's simply hitstun deterioration, after a long combo, the only things that are fast enough to connect after Storm Strike are 214AB, 236AB and 63214BC.  

[Blue Crimson]

I meant, I'm doing the combo and it hits sometimes and it doesn't sometimes.

 

I'm trying to do 5B antiair > jB > jC > dj jB > jC > Izaya Assist > Storm Strike > Trump Card > jC > dj jC > Storm Strike > Spinning Shield > Storm Strike > Horizontal Square > Starburst Stream

[Maho]

There's something else about Storm Strike, when done early in a combo, it does a small ground bounce that allows to connect Horizontal Square easely, but when later in combos the opponent will tech as soon as it touches the ground. After trying your combo, I think that's the problem here, you need to hit the opponent as high as possible with the last special chain to make it work.

 

But for the same amount of ressources you can do easier combos that will also do more damage :

 

- AA 5B > jB jC > j236AB > AC > 236C-4C-6C-8C > 41236BC (4172dmg), keeps your assist available so you can use it if you open them up on the next okizeme, allowing for exemple to go for a power blast combo.

 

- AA 5B > jB jC > j236AB > AC > 236C-4C-6C+S-8C > 214C > 41236BC (4459dmg), a bit more damage for assist use, call Isaya on the last hit of Horizontal Square.

 

- AA 5B > jB jC+5S > j236A/C > AC > 214C-6C-4C-8C > 41236BC (4563dmg), best damage, good point is that assist cancel doesn't lower meter gain like when you use an EX, so you get a bit more meter from the combo.

 

For all those combo, you can add double jump jB jC but you'll have to cut on the special chain hits to make it work, also it will do quite less damage.

[pokemonblaze234]

https://twitter.com/hir0yuk1/status/536438004265787393
 

I've tried holding 7AC on wake up but it isn't working, so how is it done?

[Blue Crimson]

Alright, cool.  I bought the game when I was in Taiwan, and I was in China before that.  And in China I couldn't access anything on the internet pretty much, so I couldn't look up any videos.  I was just trying to figure stuff out before I asked questions.  Thanks for the help.

[Ben Reed]

https://twitter.com/hir0yuk1/status/536438004265787393

 

I've tried holding 7AC on wake up but it isn't working, so how is it done?

From an untechable knockdown, hold 7A+C (both stick and buttons). 

I had no idea human players could even do this move. It has long startup, but if it hits the opponent, it counts as a WIN for Selvaria. Not a draw but a WIN. I don't know what to make of this move yet but it's GUARANTEED to troll somebody in casuals at least once, lol. 

EDIT: NM it looks like you can only do this move in single-player modes like Survival. This is almost certainly for the best, lol.

EDIT 2: Okay, I figured it out. You can only do it in the final round (not on match point...has to be last possible round in the match). I'm testing it in Versus mode right now.